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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Dec 20, 2018 - 05:20pm PT
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My last post above generated inspiration. (Just breathe.) Here’s what I ended up with a few hours ago.
Merry Christmas, all.
Sorry it's a bit out of focus. The wife.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 20, 2018 - 05:24pm PT
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Dec 20, 2018 - 08:31pm PT
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Never understood why yall celebrate the crucifiction of your savior turned zombie.
Oh yeah! Bah Humbug. No joy in Christmas. Watch out for Mr. Marley. Honestly, I think the celebration is about his birth not his death. Merry Christmas Mister Scrooge!
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Dec 20, 2018 - 09:17pm PT
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But that's probably just me.
No, it's not. There are a lot of us who feel as you do.
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Dec 20, 2018 - 11:25pm PT
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Ghost of Christmas past. You and DMT. Maybe that's why the season has been preserved culturally? You pagans.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Dec 21, 2018 - 10:33am PT
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Thanks for the help, Werner. I didn't notice the image showed so darkly here.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Dec 21, 2018 - 10:49am PT
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AntiChrist: Never understood why yall celebrate the crucifiction of your savior turned zombie.
Explaining ideas like resurrection, redemption, rejuvenation, transcendence, even the notion of evolution might be challenging.
Anything born dies. That’s a part of “the human condition.” And out of death comes life . . . always. Consider, for example, the seasons of the year. Civilization has been celebrating cyclicality for millennia.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 21, 2018 - 05:01pm PT
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Out of Antichrist comes a brainwashed nutcase ..... always ..... lol
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Don Paul
Social climber
Washington DC
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Dec 21, 2018 - 06:20pm PT
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Celebrate however you want, I just find it odd that the symbol of christianity is the implement used to torture and kill your savior.
Plus if you become a member, you can drink his blood and eat his body to celebrate.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 21, 2018 - 06:24pm PT
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You st00pid brainwashed people
Jesus Christ has never ever been killed nor ever can be killed nor ever has died nor ever has left and is always present ......
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Dec 21, 2018 - 07:53pm PT
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Someone at a meditation today said that "when you're in the picture you can't see the frame."
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Dec 22, 2018 - 08:52am PT
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AntiChrist: I just find it odd that the symbol of christianity is the implement used to torture and kill your savior.
You mean like fireworks to celebrate an independence of a country? If you’ve ever been in combat, you might see such celebrations very differently. There are many other rituals and ritualistic practices that show similarities.
You see what YOU see.
DP: . . . you can drink his blood and eat his body to celebrate.
And you can eat other life forms bodies to celebrate your own killings. “Let’s go out and have a nice dinner eating sentient life forms. Yum.”
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Dec 22, 2018 - 09:44am PT
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And from one of the true geniuses of the past century come these fine words:
Let the wenches dawdle in such dress
As they are used to wear, and let the boys
Bring flowers in last month's newspapers.
Let be be finale of seem.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream.
Is the above "true?"
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okay, whatever
climber
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Dec 23, 2018 - 09:44am PT
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I hadn't thought about Wallace Stevens since I was in college in the early 1970's! He did write some interesting and quirky poems, among them "The Emperor of Ice Cream".
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Dec 23, 2018 - 09:51am PT
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Ice cream? Eat as much as you can before you can't.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Dec 23, 2018 - 10:24am PT
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*
Pertinent to this thread, I would say...
"You only talk about going forward with the same bad ideas that got us into this mess." -Greta
"You're not mature enough to tell it like it is." -Greta
"If solutions within the system are so impossible to find then maybe we should change the system itself." -Greta
Greta Thunberg, 15 years old
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzeekxtyFOY
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Dec 23, 2018 - 11:50am PT
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What are we to make of Wallace Stevens? Is he a man satisfied with his edgings and inchings, with the swarming activities of "statement, directly and indirectly getting at"? … Coming upon one of Stevens’ last edgings and inchings, a poem cryptically entitled "Of Mere Being," the critic is hard put to place his man.
Does the "mere" of the title mean "simple" or "pure"? and does Stevens at last transcend (or inscend?) the physical to discover a central, the thing itself? [Here is quoted the poem in its entirety.]
Beyond thought, beyond reason – here in the intuitive moment one perceives "mere being" but still perceives that one is perceiving. What he knows of mere being is a "palm" (a form, a faith?) beyond the physicality of tree and a bird’s song without meaning. Unreal, yes! – but that is Stevens" word for the reality of poetry, the "one of fictive music."
What one knows of mere being is an image on the edge of space. at that point where being becomes nothingness. Is this not to prove the ultimate creativity of self, of the mind which must always conceive a reality beyond form or metaphor, beyond thought, but nevertheless at the end of, not outside, the mind?"
The poem:
The palm at the end of the mind,
Beyond the last thought, rises
In the bronze decor,
A gold-feathered bird
Sings in the palm, without human meaning,
Without human feeling, a foreign song.
You know then that it is not the reason
That makes us happy or unhappy.
The bird sings. Its feathers shine.
The palm stands on the edge of space.
The wind moves slowly in the branches.
The bird's fire-fangled feathers dangle down.
This slowly moving play of excitation begins with the title and its obvious double sense of "mere." This is mere (bare, only) being and also mere (utter, very) being. On the edge of things, including life, this is how being may be. The implicit pun is on the word "phoenix," which is what this fiery bird is. The Greek word for this fabulous sacred bird is also used for a date-palm. The bird "sings in the palm" and through a pun is the palm. So also the poem is contained in its words or its leaves, and vice versa; it also is its words or leaves. So also space is contained in the mind, and vice versa; it also is the mind.
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