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High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Oct 6, 2017 - 01:22pm PT
re: " too cute by half"

too cute by half: It is an extension of the colloquial phrase "too clever by half." This refers to someone who is so proud of their cleverness that they flaunt it, undermining their overall appeal. I would guess that someone who is "too cute by half" exploits their natural cuteness, therefore making themselves overall less appealing.

I had to look it up to make sure I was using it accurately in my previous post. I was.

Even better...

:too confident in one's own (abilities, intelligence, perspective, etc.) in a way that annoys other people.


Here, science in action...

Cool video: The Moon’s shadow on Earth during the eclipse, seen from a balloon 100k feet up!



Just learned the most heavily watched, most viral, Bill Maher Real Time clip OF ALL TIME is still the one between Sam Harris and Batman. Well worth watching again, at least once a year (Or once a decade? for the rest of eternity?)

Ben!!! lol

Sam - "Liberals have failed us." Ben - "ALLOW ME TO PROVE YOUR POINT!"


WTF was Ben Affleck even doing there? Bill Maher is an internationally famous political commentator, Sam Harris is an intellectual titan of the modern world, Ben Affleck is Batman. Why was he even there?
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Oct 6, 2017 - 05:36pm PT
"It's amazingly durable, this piece of confusion."

No sh!t, Sam.

This nightmare scenario was once again cited...

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Oct 9, 2017 - 08:29am PT
Sometimes it can be hard to "grok" but we're still on a trajectory that can be characterized as progress(ive)!

1. You drive, Girl!

Imagine that: a wider reform program to give women greater freedom in the country. Booyah!

2. Marry the rapist?

What went right? In just July and Sept...

It's true, Nepal bans Nepal menstrual seclusion!

chhaupadi: social tradition related to "menstrual taboo" in the western part of Nepal for Hindu women, which prohibits them from participating in normal family activities during a menstruation period, as they are considered "impure". The women are kept out of the house and have to live in a cattle shed or a makeshift hut.


Who has the facts? v Who has the best story?

Harari, the "celebrity" historian...

"We're upgrading ourselves into (irresponsible?) gods."

"the artificial intelligence revolution is beginning to create a useless class..."


Get her out!
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Oct 11, 2017 - 09:45am PT
Steven Pinker responds...

Harvard psychologist Steven Pinker at an Oct. 3 faculty meeting:

The policy of banning students from private organizations is widely seen outside Harvard as exemplifying some of the worst tendencies of elite universities. It can only contribute to the impression that universities are not dispassionate forums for clarifying values or analyzing problems but institutions determined to impose their ideology on a diverse population by brute force. . . .

Let me be concrete. Those of us who engage in argument with intelligent people on the opposite end of the political spectrum often encounter the objection that the near-consensus among academic scientists (on climate change, for example) cannot be trusted. Everybody knows, they say, that university research is distorted by the political agenda of elites trying to exert control over individual choices. “No, no,” we insist; “Universities aren’t like that; we open-mindedly identify problems and try to come up with solutions.” A policy that is widely seen by the outside world as repressive virtue-signaling makes our job that much harder.


Beauty... the summation of the parts working together in such a way that nothing needs to be added, taken away or altered -Italian painter, Carlotti

Greek kakistos "worst," superlative of kakos, bad.

American Kakistocracy
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Oct 12, 2017 - 10:29am PT
Credit: High Fructose Corn Spirit


1. Noam Chomsky defends academic freedom of pro-colonialism professor under fire...

2. Author of article on “the case for colonialism” withdraws it after death threats


Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Oct 12, 2017 - 05:51pm PT
Heard an asteroid buzzed by Earth today. Phew! Missed it by that much.

Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Oct 12, 2017 - 09:39pm PT
Ya know it occured to me today that the Pope, any Pope could shut down the whole Science vs Religion problem any day.

All he'd have to do is say,"... all those science ideas you have? God stuck 'em in your head. It's not you, it's him."

And BANG! Science could observe up all the facts in the universe and 'ol Jesus, or THE LORD, or Allah, could simply take all the credit. That's how it works in those gospels any way.

I'm not sure why someone didn't notice this a long time ago.

But hey, marketing, is my job, and I'm not bad at it. Pope's and Bishops, they are better at other things than marketing. They may figure it out in another 20 or 30 years.

Trad climber
Brooklyn, NY
Oct 13, 2017 - 01:39am PT
Wanna push the social dialogue to the next level ...
How about a black pope?

'Black Pope' by Charles White, 1973, Oil wash on board, 60 × 43 7/8&#8...
'Black Pope' by Charles White, 1973, Oil wash on board, 60 × 43 7/8″, Museum of Modern Art
Credit: Lovegasoline

'Study for Black pope' Charles White, Graphite, pastel, and crayon on ...
'Study for Black pope' Charles White, Graphite, pastel, and crayon on transparentized paper, 17 1/2 × 21 3/4", Museum of Modern Art

Credit: Lovegasoline

Hear Vedic astrologer Chakrapani Ullal read the Charles White's and Leonardo Da Vinci's natal charts:
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Oct 13, 2017 - 04:34pm PT
Nice art! Love the concept.

Note on my post above:

Yes, religion is about marketing. Religion itself is not organic. It is a developed idea designed to put order into the chaos of the mind and living life. It must be marketed. Who and how it is marketed is the thing to look at when studying Theology. More important than what is the content.

The development of Science is more organic. It is a compilation of observation. (when it is honest) Science tends to evolve from observation into technology. It can get polluted though.

Science gets polluted by; A. The news media that twists everything into controversy. B. Unethical scientists who are self serving rather than serving humanity. C. Economic and political powers trying to bend it to their completely created ideas.

In truth there is no inconsistancy between science and religion. There is only misunderstanding causing confusion and confused people. Confused people who don't observe or refuse to observe but attempt to stop their confusion with faith in various legends. They retard the advancement of our civilization by working to block others from observing.
paul roehl

Boulder climber
Oct 13, 2017 - 06:09pm PT
Black Pope? Sure, why not? There's already been a woman as Pope or so the story goes.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Oct 13, 2017 - 07:28pm PT
Paul, Loveg... I believe you guys are wanted on the Mind thread!!!


Philosophical question...
If a gate is closed 'at all times', is it still a gate?

Boulder climber
Yoknapatawpha County
Oct 14, 2017 - 08:59am PT
Nice punctuation errors. Why not call the gate a narrative while you're at it?
Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Oct 14, 2017 - 01:08pm PT
Shades of Indiana Jones and Raiders of the Lost Ark

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Oct 14, 2017 - 03:30pm PT
^^^^^ Astounding!

Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Oct 14, 2017 - 08:19pm PT
So glad you enjoyed it! Definitely made me smile and it stirred up that period in my life - around 10 -when I wanted to grow up to be an Egyptologist. Then, shortly after that saw Cousteau’s film of exploring the Red Sea and living in their base undersea. Too cool. Then wanted to grow up and be on Costeau’s crew.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Oct 16, 2017 - 09:39am PT
Mark, more on Heracleion, Egyptian underwater discovery...

What caused the submergence of the sites?

"Research has shown that the sites (Alexandria's Portus Magnus and the cities of Thonis-Heracleion and Canopus in Aboukir Bay) were affected by geological and cataclysmic phenomena at different periods. It is now clear that a slow movement of subsidence of the soil affected this part of the south-eastern basin of the Mediterranean. The rise in sea level - already observed in antiquity - also contributed significantly to the submergence of the land..."


High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Oct 16, 2017 - 10:00am PT
Nice punctuation errors. Why not call the gate a narrative while you're at it?

Sycorax, here are four language pros from which you might gather something?

the playlist:


I'd recommend actually downloading them.
Then you could listen to each one multiple times!


Camille Paglia and Jordan Peterson...


I like Jordan's point of psychology having the luxury of being bounded by biology.

Another point: that impenetrable use of language (by post-modernists) - it's a kind of group protection strategy.

"it seems to me that we're also increasingly dominated by a view of masculinity that's mostly characteristic of women who have terrible personality disorders and who are unable to have healthy relationships with men." -Jordan Peterson

"There's nothing more dangerous than a weak man."

I very much enjoyed Paglia's analysis / description of gender roles in traditional agrarian cultures and times - eg, how disparate they were from each other.

How do you fight a woman? If you win you're a bully, if you lose you're just bloody pathetic. lol


Enough of experts!


Kids? Just Say No

"Anti-natalism will only ever be a minority view because it runs counter to a deep biological drive to have children."

A show might not be bad enough to leave, but would you have come at all if you knew how bad it would be?
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