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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Okay, Dingus.
I don't know (a) how much religious studies across all of them you've had over a life time; or (b) how wide or narrow a perspective you're taking (e.g., more local or more global, whatever) but I consider those points, all of which I'm in agreement with, pretty trivial in the common sense, nonarguable sense.
Thanks.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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We're globalized now. Like it or not. As a global species, we've got problems coming our way over the next several decades - not the least of which is autonomous weaponry - that are going to require solutions (regulations) at the global level to productively combat.
With a world still so fractured in particular by iron-age religion-fueled multiculturalism - largely fundamentalist traditional and Abrahamic - how will these large-scale solutions have any chance of development and implementation?
C'mon, caring Americans, dare to watch....
[Click to View YouTube Video]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=11&v=-fOWSLV6Esw
Is Paul or his tribe prepared to educate/inform these people? Does Paul or his tribe think it's not their business? The leaders of these people not only have smart phones but a nuclear arsenal. Is Paul or his tribe prepared to tell these people that the fundamentals of their religious narrative (as unifying, motivating, meaningful as it is) are allegorical, archetypal, not meant to be taken literally as truth itself.
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WBraun
climber
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most, all?) scientists working on the bomb strongly warned against its use.
LOL just see the insane scientists.
Let's build bomb ...
Then tell everyone not to use it .... lol.
No wonder you're insane .....
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
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Perhaps the answer is that the issue isn't fresh anymore. Everyone here knows everyone else's opinion and have theirs firmly entrenched as well. Maybe most of us have moved on to more personally and philosophically rewarding concerns. Maybe not all of us are focussed on saving the most ignorant and fanatical members of our species but favor more future oriented and positive approaches.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Agree.
Still, it was a fun time.
What was especially exciting for me were all these new ideas or developments of a maturing internet, including videos, eg, of lectures being uploaded and also forums, such as this one, where you could interact with certain folk with which beforehand you'd never associate (simply because of different lifestyles) for any extended time.
One more item: Thanks to internet and information age, the upcoming younger generation, youtube and science... fundamentalist traditional Abrahamic religion in particular just isn't as relevant in 2018 American culture as it used to be, even just one generation ago.
This Age of Corrections is so powerful, I confess, it exceeded even my (optimistic) expectations. 20 years ago, I probably said something like, In less than 100 years it's ovah for jehovah. Now I sense, thanks in large part to our youth and their internet use for educating themselves in science and life at large, in the next 20 years and not 100, this will be the case. Time will tell.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Norton: . . . Paul is a Christian from his use of the word "sacred" to preface the bible
Well, that’s interesting to hear from you. Would you say that there is nothing sacred to you? The flag? Yosemite Valley? I would have thought that there would be, as there seems to be for HFCS, as well. If nothing is sacred to you, then what do you think is worth dedicating yourself to or honoring deeply?
HFCS: We're globalized now. Like it or not.
No. Who’s “we” btw? One can argue that there are elements of economy that have globalized aspects to it, but your statement is far too broad. You can’t hurry history.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
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From my experience of teaching undergraduates, mostly from impoverished backgrounds, I agree that for almost all of them it's over for Jehovah. I don't think it's over for God however. Most people are in the process of trying to reconcile their personal beliefs with a scientific world view and are gradually seeing how they can do that.
It mostly means they have to expand their scripture based ideas of God, the size of the universe and time, to account for the newer findings of science (Big Bang, the evolution of the universe, the evolution of life on earth including humans). The idea of what a Biblical day is has to be expanded beyond the 24 hour rotations of the planet earth and these are children of the space age, so that is not a hard concept for them.
As for the use of the word sacred, I suspect Paul uses it in the same sense I do which is that I apply it to the scriptures of more than one religion as a form of respect. Respect doesn't mean rote belief however.
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WBraun
climber
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Respect doesn't mean rote belief however.
Yes and that requires extremely good intelligence not smarts in academics .....
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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MikeL asks me:
Would you say that there is nothing sacred to you? The flag? Yosemite Valley?
Mike, please state how you ever got that idea from my post, I said nothing about my personal attitude towards the use of the word sacred, go back and read it again
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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“Those who have a 'why' to live, can bear with almost any 'how'.”
― Viktor E. Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning
Frankl would be a dangerous read for some here.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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"We need more Carl Sagans and less Depak Chopras."
could not agree more, Fructose
Depak is Pure Woo
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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You might just as easily say we need a whole lot more Pope Frances' around and a lot fewer Dr. Edward Teller's.
There are bad actors in all disciplines. Science is great but it doesn't do much for the psyche at least for the average person.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Viktor Frankl came up with a psychology based around the notion or the idea that human beings are most motivated by a search for meaning, indicating that the
meaning of life is the biggest question on our minds and the biggest stressor on our psyches.
What meaning does science offer? That we are alone on a tiny speck in a vast and violent universe for no other reason than to try and reproduce. And that all life on this planet will finally die in the sun death and nothing anybody has ever done will survive so everything you do and every thing you knew will dissolve into cold oblivion... nice! Read Frankl's account of surviving a Nazi concentration camp and how he coped and get back to me.
It's a real mistake to think the world doesn't need religion and philosophy. What it doesn't need is bad people acquiring power and wealth through manipulation. And remember, Chopra started out as a stone cold scientist.
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WBraun
climber
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human beings are most motivated by a search for meaning,
Yes .... that's what separates human from animal by having that capability.
If no search for meaning of life itself then that person is in animal consciousness and will be reborn in lower forms of material animals, a dog for example or lower .....
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Finally some corroboration.
"Einstein wasn’t pleased with unpredictability, but what really bothered him was nonlocality. And what he wanted above all was realism - physics should describe what happens, not just what we measure. I’m with Einstein." -Sean Carroll
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WBraun
climber
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You people only know other peoples know nothing quotes and prove you really are brainwashed and know nothing yourselves .....
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