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Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Sep 30, 2017 - 08:59am PT
Hey Dingus,

Hi HFCS. Just to be clear and I think you read it this way anyway, but I meant you no disrespect whatsoever in my reply. I was just commenting on the neat fantasy arrangement of that martian town, purposely made to look earth-like, and no trash! :)

Glad you got the Monkey reference too.

Look the whole go /no go to Mars is not my decision to take. Its for my kids and their kids to decide.

Cheers
DMT
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Sep 30, 2017 - 04:28pm PT
Thanks, Dingus.

Look the whole go /no go to Mars is not my decision to take. Its for my kids and their kids to decide.

That is such a powerful thought/reflection. It sort of just hit me. A powerful reminder that insofar as this many-generational thing takes place, it'll be done by others. I won't be there - I will have left the party (forced OUT by higher powers), aughh!

So close yet so far.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Oct 2, 2017 - 11:26am PT
jgill, for you...

A math puzzle. Are you up to the task, lol!


Solve carefully! 230 - 220 x 0.5 = ???

...


You probably won't believe it, maybe it's a new age thing?
but the answer is 5!
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Oct 2, 2017 - 12:06pm PT
HFCS, a good example of lack of clarity in symbol manipulation. I've always used parentheses in chains of operations to avoid any confusion. Especially in programming. Thanks.


Too bad we won't be around to visit the Mars colonies. The National Geographic channel's series was excellent. As was The Matt Damon movie.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Oct 2, 2017 - 12:12pm PT
Cool, jgill.

But I'm not 100 per cent convinced that you are FULLY seeing the puzzle.

Show your work!!


lol
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Oct 2, 2017 - 12:17pm PT
Yeah. 5!=120

Good one.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Oct 2, 2017 - 12:20pm PT
Excellent!



A+!
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Oct 3, 2017 - 09:43am PT
First, They Came for the Biologists

The postmodernist left on campus is intolerant not only of opposing views, but of science itself.

"What may not be obvious from outside academia is that this revolution is an attack on Enlightenment values: reason, inquiry and dissent. Extremists on the left are going after science. Why? Because science seeks truth, and truth isn’t always convenient."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/first-they-came-for-the-biologists-1506984033

Very spot-on, imo, and insightful and up-to-date. I hope it's not behind a paywall.*

"...what is going on at institutions across the country is—yes—a culture war between science and postmodernism. The extreme left has embraced a facile fiction."

"Little credence is given to the idea of objective reality."

A few of the Evergreen, Yale and Cal videos are well worth watching if you haven't already for greater insight into what many of our campuses esp liberal arts campuses are morphing into under the banners or tags of social justice warriors (sjw), patriarchy, racism and bigotry.

I no longer identify as liberal or progressive or left without a weight of qualifiers.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMc8pczn-hs



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cMYfxOFBBM

If anyone needs to be fired, it is this president of Evergreen State - he is a spineless jellyfish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO1agIlLlhg

Extra credit if anyone spots Sycorax in any of these "liberal" anti-science sjw meetup videos, lol!


*Actually, it is behind a paywall but this paywall can be circumvented by a google news search directly. Or else, eg a twitter link directly.
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Oct 3, 2017 - 04:29pm PT
Evergreen has been a nutty place for decades. And it has attracted climbers as faculty: Willi Unsold was dean for years, and Pete Sinclair retired there as prof of literature. Both are gone now. RIP
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Oct 4, 2017 - 10:54am PT
Colleges are shape-shifting. This is kind of scary...

Professors Behaving Badly
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/30/opinion/sunday/adjunct-professors-politics.html

In hindsight, these developments stand out as pretty obvious.
I'm afraid it's going to get worse.

...

Apologies for above Yale video. I thought it was the very original. Turns out it was edited over in certain spots. I wish they wouldn't do that unless they make this clear.

Context: Students at Yale bully sociology Professor Nicholas Christakis because his wife had the audacity to suggest, in an email, that students could maybe decide what Halloween costumes to wear by themselves.
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Oct 4, 2017 - 11:15am PT
"Professor Karabel cited the example of Germany in the 1930s, when a slow-moving academic labor market increased the appeal of Nazism for a surprising number of underemployed intellectuals. The same situation can breed support for radical movements of the left."

The plight of adjunct "professors" is a sad reflection on the academic establishment. The math department at the small state university where I taught currently has 22 faculty - 11 of whom are non-tenure track, and I suspect poorly paid.

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Oct 6, 2017 - 09:30am PT
PSA...

Yuval Noah Harari to pen new book to cover global warming, God and nationalism.

The historian’s next book, 21 Lessons for the 21st Century, will ask ‘what should we teach children today to prepare them for the world of tomorrow.

Sounds perfect. Check out the assertion in the first paragraph. Ain't that the truth.

“A good way of putting it is, ‘What should we teach children today to prepare them for the world of the 21st century?’

“We have no way of knowing what kind of world they will inhabit, when they will be in their 30s or 60s. But it’s something we should be thinking about very carefully.”

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/oct/06/sapiens-author-harari-new-book-to-cover-global-warming-god-and-nationalism

"the political system is no longer capable of producing meaningful visions for the future..."
"... so you see nostalgic fantasies about going back to the past,”

Is it just the political system though? Should we frame this problem / challenge of our time only in terms of the political system?? But apart from philosophy what else we got?

"It’s kind of a transitory phase until somebody manages to come up with a new meaningful vision for the future."

until somebody manages to come up with a new meaningful vision
until somebody manages to come up with a new meaningful vision
until somebody manages to come up with a new meaningful vision

“We are now living in an age of information explosion … the last thing people need is more information. What they really need is somebody to arrange all of the bits of information into a meaningful picture..."
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Oct 6, 2017 - 10:20am PT
Extra credit if anyone spots Sycorax in any of these "liberal" anti-science sjw meetup videos, lol!

talk about persecution, and perhaps I am at a disadvantage that I actually know Sycorax, but I think HFCS's accusations fall far from the mark. Not anti-science by a long shot, but perhaps someone who points out that there is more than "just science."

If science is held up as an icon, then she would be iconoclastic. Science should not be, nor does it aspire to be, an "icon."
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Oct 6, 2017 - 10:24am PT
talk about persecution... HFCS's accusations... -Ed

that's just weird.

It was a humorous remark. One. She can roast us "science types" literally dozens of times.. from beaker boys to hard ons... and I can't return the compliment?

Not even one time? ONE time?!

What an absolutely weird post. Yet again.


PS.

I'm sure if I took the time, I could dig up a DOZEN not so pro-science or pro-"science type" remarks by Sycorax. Not so polite either.

What's wrong with you sometimes? Or is just me?
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Oct 6, 2017 - 10:30am PT
"Not anti-science by a long shot, but perhaps someone who points out that there is more than "just science." -Ed

lol

As if the rest of us don't know this already!

PS

Of all the ideas and/or issues to post up about - THAT one??!!

If science is held up as an icon, then she would be iconoclastic. Science should not be, nor does it aspire to be, an "icon."

How strange a comment. I could read it a half dozen ways if I wanted to. What does this even mean?

...

I guess I couldn't resist...

One of dozens?
"Again, why bother arguing philosophy with someone who has little knowledge of it, Largo?Looks like you're going to the hardware store for bread. Btw, what's with the Ed hard-on? -Sycorax june 8,2017

lol

Hey it's my stalker jgill. Zero interest in f*#king you. -Sycorax Aug 30, 2017

I think I'll rest my case on THAT one.

and how about all the crude deleted ones on her part over the months if not years, lol

...

Hey Ed, have a good one.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Oct 6, 2017 - 10:59am PT
perhaps I am at a disadvantage that I actually know Sycorax...

Does she climb?

:)
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Oct 6, 2017 - 11:02am PT
yes, well
sycorax

Boulder climber
Yoknapatawpha County
Oct 6, 2017 - 11:12am PT
Not really, Ed. But have gotten to 11a at PG lately. Climbed at Teneya Lake a month ago and flailed.

My sport is running with four marathons under my belt. PR in marathon 2:55, better than any man on this forum. Now a daily jogger.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Oct 6, 2017 - 11:16am PT
11a at PG is notable for those posting to this thread...
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Oct 6, 2017 - 01:03pm PT
So, I guess I could use a break from the substantive subjects of this thread today. So pursuant to this idea, a few points come to mind…

1) Ed, it seems you’re posting quite antagonistically, otherwise from a very narrow, rather slit-like perspective this morning. How come, what gives?

2) I don’t know Sycorax but by what she posts on these threads. Neither WB, for that matter. For all I know, tete a tete, face to face, they’re the nicest people in the world.

3) Ed, so I’m curious: in hindsight, you don’t see anything awkward – or “off” – re your first morning post on this thread, commenting on mine? In particular, in light of all the many and various potshots taken by your Sycorax acquaintance over a VERY long time? As I said, just curious.

4) Ed, so tell me, does Sycorax present herself in person like she does on these science-philosophy-mind threads?

5) So it appears then what we have here between Ed and Sycorax – despite the latter’s potshots at most of the so-called “science type” participants many many times over -- is a clear case of favoritism. I guess that’s okay, it’s not prohibited, but it’s just good to be aware of it, I guess.

6) Funny thing how we got into this (passive aggressive) back n forth banter just when I thought the thread was cleaning up some.

7) Correct me if I’m wrong: Gym ratings these days (eg, 11a) are rather soft. Aren’t they?

8) Sycorax, your last half dozen disparaging comments, are they becoming of a teacher (a teacher of teens no less)?

9) Sycorax, true to form, posts: “PR in marathon 2:55, better than any man on this forum.” On the forum? How can you be so sure about that? Are you this sure of things in person in your everyday vernacular and your everyday activities? For instance do you speak with such certainty and ego when in Ed’s presence? It’s rather “too cute by half” imo, but that’s just me.

11a at PG is notable for those posting to this thread... - ED

10) What does this mean? Meaning at PG, 11a gym climbs translate to 11a outdoor climbs? Or what?

"Climbed at Teneya [sic] Lake a month ago and flailed." -Sycorax


11) Rather vague don't you think? What route did you climb at Tenaya Lake that you "flailed" on last month? Name? Was it 5.11a?

Anyone here interested in getting back to the basic subjects of the thread?
Noon musings.

...

PS

Did anyone even check out the Harari Guardian article, lol.
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