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Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Aug 24, 2018 - 11:19am PT

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MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
Aug 27, 2018 - 08:02pm PT
HFCS,

You should like this I would think. A review of two books on how higher education has missed fulfilling its objectives to support democracy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/27/books/review/splintering-william-egginton-coddling-greg-lukianoff-jonathan-haidt.html?
jogill

climber
Colorado
Aug 28, 2018 - 04:08pm PT
"Changeless, unborn phenomenon are not victim of this charge for obvious reasons."

This characterization speaks strongly of the religious convictions of Zen Buddhism.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 28, 2018 - 07:49pm PT
Given this week's news, this one here is certainly worth watching again...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=jIjMqG8-H8c

Classic.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 29, 2018 - 11:27am PT
Worthy of review...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCdJgqDhbS4

Exemplified here: one of the factors in the equation, imo, that led to a Trump victory.




(Alright, I'm done.)
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 30, 2018 - 05:54pm PT
China Is Treating Islam Like a Mental Illness...
28 Aug 2018

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/08/china-pathologizing-uighur-muslims-mental-illness/568525/

The Chinese government has declared Islam a contagious “ideological illness,” and it's quarantined one million Muslim Uighurs in reeducation or internment camps.

Religion is NOT a mental illness, and state-enforced atheism is a gross human rights violation.
MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
Aug 30, 2018 - 08:37pm PT
I think it was Freud who said that neurosis is individual religiosity, whereas religion is a universal neurosis.

Freud was also the guy who said that the repressed content that gives rise to neurosis is incestuous sexual desires (oedipal complex). According to him, everyone is broken.

I’d ask you about yourself, but those levels of meaning are purportedly buried in the unconsciousness.
jogill

climber
Colorado
Aug 30, 2018 - 09:39pm PT
We watched Three Billboards . . . last week on HBO. A fine movie.
ionlyski

Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 30, 2018 - 09:45pm PT
Superstition is NOT a mental illness
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 31, 2018 - 04:19pm PT
depends on the religion...

Fair enough.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Sep 1, 2018 - 07:20pm PT
The world we live in...

A) Trump Cruz

Trump: "I will be doing a major rally for Senator Ted Cruz in October. I’m picking the biggest stadium in Texas we can find. As you know, Ted has my complete and total Endorsement.

Cruz: https://youtu.be/Bz44wKKQJh0?t=1m39s

...

B) Harris Peterson Weinstein

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1oaSt60b0o


Signs and wonders.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Sep 2, 2018 - 10:18am PT
Here's a taste, part II...

https://youtu.be/m0-oC_49fq4?t=1h13m1s
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Sep 2, 2018 - 10:44am PT
When speaking of "mental illness" you wade quickly into a swamp.

Most all illness has a traceable pathogen, unless it is psychosomatic.

Since maladies of the mental kind have no pathogen we have no handle on them what so ever. Some people pretend to be doctors who treat these things, which is bold, because they have no idea of the cause, or the cure, but they can cause effects on patients by drugging them, shocking them, and cutting away at their brains. Also poking wires into the brain for little zaps.

Some talk therapy seems to provide relief in the hands of competent practictions but that is counselling more than doctoring.


A superstion is a consideration that something exists in answer to a problem or phenomena. It may seem to work in the universe of the person who created the superstition. I can often be sold to others who adopt it.

Delusion is when one's own reality goes out of sync with others and everyone starts disagreing. Drugs are great for making delusions occur on a temporary basis. Thus people start beliving in the brain chemisty theory.

Religion provides solutions to things that Science cannot answer easily. Some "sciences" are totally built on belief rather than measured observation and are actually a "religion" in that case.


Some day science (measured observation) and religion (explaination for life) will meet, objectively on the same plane. It will be a good day.
paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
Sep 2, 2018 - 12:49pm PT
Most all illness has a traceable pathogen, unless it is psychosomatic.

Hmmm, what means "psychosomatic" if all brain activity is simply the stuff of material flesh then all neuroses must by a function of fleshly pathology, don't you think? Or is there something beyond the flesh and are thoughts somewhat independent of their source?
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Sep 2, 2018 - 04:27pm PT
Psychosomatic = caused by the mind.

We, as a civilization, do not yet know what the mind is. At least in mainstream academic circles. See "What is Mind?" thread.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Sep 2, 2018 - 04:51pm PT
Some people pretend to be doctors who treat these things, which is bold, because they have no idea of the cause...

You sound like Tom Cruise.


It's a shame we can't send you back to the 16th century for a month or two. Germany, say, and presenting with cataracts, inguinal hernia, pinworm and botfly infestations and bleeding colon polyps.

Suspect rabies bite, too.

I'd bet, after you're retrieved, you'd have a change of mind.

...

Some "sciences" are totally built on belief rather than measured observation and are actually a "religion" in that case...

You sound like this guy, Mark Harris, 2018 GOP candidate...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXFH9E8DqP8

...

American Made, btw, is a great movie.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Sep 2, 2018 - 05:12pm PT
if all brain activity is simply the stuff of material flesh then all neuroses must by a function of fleshly pathology, don't you think?

A deeper appreciation is clarifying.

(1) Brain causes mental dysfunction (psychopathy/sociopathy): Good illustration here: Star Trek Voyager, "Repentence".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repentance_(Star_Trek:_Voyager);

(2) Psychopathy causes pathological brain/body changes: Good analogy: Computer software (e.g., virus) leads to system overheating and destruction (e.g, U-enriching cetrifuges).

Despite what some people say, computer processing is a good analogy for mindbrain processing in numerous contexts.

What causes what depends on circumstance, eg, the initiating mechanism.
paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
Sep 2, 2018 - 05:23pm PT
We, as a civilization, do not yet know what the mind is. At least in mainstream academic circles. See "What is Mind?" thread.

I would agree. One wonders how the talking cure can repair the physical brain. I think this is a problem for materialists: that what one experiences as a neuroses has/can have little to do with the structure of the physical brain and everything to do with the complexity of thought and experience and the thoughtful process of understanding that experience and little to do with any fleshy structure. Though this should probably be on the mind thread, I thought it was an interesting point.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Sep 2, 2018 - 05:31pm PT
Once software is infected with viruses or virus-like processes, it can be difficult if not impossible to clear it.

We, as a civilization, do not yet know what the mind is.

That's because we, as a civilization, are largely ignorant of the underlying metabolic processes.

Maybe next century will be different.
WBraun

climber
Sep 2, 2018 - 05:44pm PT
We, as a civilization, do not yet know what the mind is.

Man are you people ever arrogant!!

Not everyone on this planet and in this universe is in you brainwashed "we" club ....

The gross materialists continually prove their arrogance and phony authoritive masquerades.
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