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WBraun
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The window cleaner who fell from a skyscraper and lived.
47-floor fall from the roof of a New York skyscraper.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-39114931
Science will explain in this way.
We don't know, .... BUT!!!
In the future, only we scientist will know ........
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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^^^^Crazy...
PROVIDENTIAL GOVERNANCE THROUGH MEANS
JUDGES 4:17–22 “Jael the wife of Heber took a tent peg, and took a hammer in her hand. Then she went softly to him and drove the peg into [Sisera’s] temple until it went down into the ground while he was lying fast asleep from weariness. So he died” (v. 21).
Continuing our study of God’s sovereign outworking of His decree, let us note one of the most signifcant differences between our Lord’s works of creation and providence: cre-
ation was finished many millennia ago while God’s providence is an ongoing work. In seven days, God created all things and then He rested from that specific work (Gen. 1:1–2:3). But the Lord did not rest—cease—from preserving and governing all His creatures and their decisions. In fact, He will never take a break from doing so (Jer. 33:20–21; Col. 1:17), for if He did, all creation would cease to exist.
So, God’s providential governance is ongoing. Moreover, for the most part, God exercises His governing rule not apart from created means but in and through them. In other words, God uses such things as physical laws and even human skills, personalities, and decisions to bring about His purposes and plan for creation. Except in the case of miracles, which we will discuss more in due time, our Lord does not suspend natural processes or directly and forcefully override the plans and choices of His creatures. God’s governance is in many ways and in most instances more subtle than that. He prefers, in most cases, to work in and through established means rather than against them.
Perhaps the best way to illustrate this is with the story of Jael and Sisera recorded in Judges 4:17–22. Just prior to their encounter, Sisera, a commander of the Canaanites, had lost a battle against the Israelites, who were led by Deborah and Barak (vv. 1–16). Fleeing the battle, Sisera escaped to the tent of Jael, whom he regarded as an ally. Yet while Sisera slept, Jael drove a tent peg through his skull, fulfilling the prophecy that a woman would get the glory for killing Sisera (vv. 17–22; see v. 9).
The author of Judges does not paint Sisera’s demise as miraculous. True, Deborah predicted that a woman would kill Sisera, but Jael does not employ any supernatural means to bring about the general’s death. All that was needed to kill Sisera was a certain amount of skill with a tent peg and hammer, and this was a skill Jael possessed because in her culture it was the women who typically erected and dismantled tents. She had spent a lifetime learning how to hammer a tent peg effectively, and that skill was used to deliver the Israelites when the need arose. God brought the prophecy of Sisera’s demise to pass by working through the means of the skilled hands of Jael. (Table Talk)
...don't be conTENTious!
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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Mar 11, 2017 - 07:28am PT
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ATTITUDE
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Charles Swindoll
"The longer I live, the more I realize the impact of attitude on life. Attitude, to me, is more important than facts. It is more important than the past, than education, than money, than circumstances, than failures, than successes, than what other people think, say or do. It is more important than appearance, giftedness or skill. It will make or break a company... a church... a home. The remarkable thing is we have a choice every day regarding the attitude we embrace for that day. We cannot change our past... we cannot change the fact that people will act in a certain way. We cannot change the inevitable. The only thing we can do is play the one string we have, and that is our attitude... I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% how I react to it.
And so it is with you... we are in charge of our Attitudes”
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WBraun
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Mar 28, 2017 - 06:14pm PT
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You can measure all you want of the material world but you'll still remain a simple caveman masquerading your futile attempt at advancement .....
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Mar 28, 2017 - 07:40pm PT
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Byran
climber
Half Dome Village
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Mar 28, 2017 - 08:34pm PT
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I don't know if anyone has posted these before, but I found this guys Youtube channel a while back and thought his videos were sort of interesting
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Mar 29, 2017 - 08:33am PT
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Mark:
Musashi is an interesting icon to relate to with regards to Truth. He killed about 60 beings for sport, the last half with only cut-off boat oars rather than swords. In his writing he indicated he was intimately acquainted with what he called the abyss.
I’m curious, what do you think Musashi meant by “truth,” other than it is not what people want it to be?
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Byran
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Half Dome Village
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Mar 29, 2017 - 09:06am PT
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The quote is just an assertion of philosophical realism, that truth and reality exist independent of the mind. Or as HG Wells put it in the book I just finished, "fact takes no heed of human hopes". I'm not sure if the Musashi quote is legit, I've never read anything by him.
Although now that I think of it, I did play this game as a child without knowing what legend it was referencing.
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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Mar 29, 2017 - 12:32pm PT
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Byran
climber
Half Dome Village
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^^^I think the point Harari makes is true as long as you keep in mind that he is talking about scientific institutions. Science itself (ie: a research methodology which is systematic and controlled) is concerned with truth and nothing more. But this truth, once it's been found out, is almost always then acted upon. Of course there's plenty of researchers out there looking at galaxies millions of lightyears away and discovering things that will never have any practical application here on earth. But for the most part, the research which receives the most funding is that which has the prospects of reshaping our world - whether that be treating cancer, developing touch-screens, or creating the atom bomb. And I feel like all this should pass for common sense.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Bryan: Science itself (ie: a research methodology which is systematic and controlled) is concerned with truth and nothing more. But this truth, once it's been found out, is almost always then acted upon.
Bryan, buddy, I would have you consider that anything that anyone talks about is rendered ideologically, politically, ethically, perhaps even aesthetically. It’s impossible to talk about anything without some measure in those “pillars of truth” of what we might call soul, humanity, experience. The real truth is no truth: there is no thing that can be pinned down at the end of the day. Full-on ambiguity is what reality is. Jose y Ortega said that life is fired at us point blank. It’s messy and infinite. Learning to see that is the beginning of wisdom. Really. Try it out. Or, try out the opposite. See if you can find Anything that you can pin-down finally, exactly.
Science is a good beginning. Don’t forget your heart and gut. Like Mr. Poe intimates, they are as much of your humanity as all that mental stuff.
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Byran
climber
Half Dome Village
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Mike, I have considered it; I have read books on epistemology; I have done psychedelics; I am aware that definitive proofs are impossible in the face of radical skepticism. Nonetheless I accept that a physical reality exists outside of my mind, and that some conceptualizations of this reality are more accurate than others. To think otherwise is not the beginning of wisdom, but the definition of psychosis.
What I am interested in is those conceptualizations which most accurately represent external reality. I don't expect any of them to be perfect or complete, simply that they are the best we have right now - what is called a "leading scientific theory". And by revising and updating these theories as more information is discovered, we edge ever closer towards truth.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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All of these Old Testament rules and proclamations.
Do you believe the Tower of Bable story? Where God responded to the efforts of building a tower, to visit Heaven? God must have taken it seriously, because he responded by giving different languages to the people, apparently to halt their progress.
We have been in Earth Orbit for decades now. Much higher than any tower from thousands of years ago could have been.
The Old testament is filled with stories that don't pass muster. Genesis being the Top Dog of refuted stories.
The Earth was not created in 7 days. Back then, they thought that the Earth was flat, and that stars might be no larger than a bright baseball. Now we know not only of other suns, billions of them in our galaxy alone, but trillions of other galaxies. The Universe is far more fantastic than the Old Testament could have guessed.
I enjoy a lot of the New Testament. Its overwhelming message is one of tolerance and love. The Old Testament is filled with all sorts of crazy stories, such as the Great Flood, and now that we have filled in the Geologic Record in such detail, around the world, we haven't seen evidence of a global flood. We do run into flood deposits now and then, but they are local.
So, no. The Grand Canyon wasn't created during Noah's flood. There never was a Noah's flood. Also, the Earth is incredibly old from a human perspective. It isn't interpretive, either. We rely on physical and biological evidence when dating a rock.
To be a Christian, I have to accept the entire Bible. Not just the New Testament. If Christians actually followed all of the laws of Leviticus, they would have to seriously change their actions. Instead, the concentrate on the one about homosexuality. Go read Leviticus online, folks. It is a short read. It won't take an hour.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Read the red print.
That guy talks about love, compassion, forgiveness, non-judgement, charity, and service to others.
Read the red print as if it were coming from a mystic speaking like a mystic - like a Rumi, for instance.
Good stuff. In great part, structures my ethic and philosophy.
The rest of it? Nice stories...sometimes has some good stuff.
If you believed all of it to be the literal word of god?
You'd be believing a schizophrenic.
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WBraun
climber
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To be a Christian, I have to accept the entire Bible.
No you don't. You don't have to accept any of it at all.
Christ consciousness doesn't need the bible at all.
The Bible has been polluted and over-interpreted by mental speculators just like YOU .......
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Christ consciousness is cool.
The Bible just gets in the way. Being focused on salvation gets in the way.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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The idea that a physical reality exists outside of consciousness, is sometimes represented by the word, "noumenon."
To try and imagine what that might be, we have to nix all sense data, since there is no consciousness to "see." So what's left is, what, do you imagine?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Base, why do you continue to write all thes wrongs about the bible❓
Brother,you may be able to read Leviticus in an hour, but you sure ain't gettin it. you need some help. Joel Olsteen was really good last night, I thought about ya.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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There are some powerful drugs running around this neighborhood.
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