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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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My direct pointing was squarely at Evolution's fundamentality.
As opposed to say, chemistry's fundamentality? Or Math's fundamentality? You're pretty much loading and conflating both words in a fairly odd way. Could you possibly rephrase?
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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what about Climber Fundamentalist?
They call themselves "trad climbers." Don't cross swords with those guys; they take no prisoners!
;>)
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Could you possibly rephrase?
i'll try.
Basically/fundamentally evolution caused/predicted say, the Lion to eat meat. Another words, to kill another life possessing a brain with eyes in-order to sustain it's own life. While a deer will sustain it's own life by being vegetarian and eating only grass. These are just examples in the animal kingdom.
For them, we could say that killing is righteous because it promotes their species to live.
Way back when, when man first stood up. Was he carnivorous or vegetarian? Early on he killed to eat, or he killed to not be killed.
Fact to the matter is, he killed brains with eyes for one reason or another.
Today with our intelligence and enlightenment we have the choice to choose whether or not to put asleep eyes with a brain. For any reason. We don't need to eat meat for our success. And we surely don't need to kill to stay alive.
Most of us do have a choice.
That's what i meant by evolutionality.
Help?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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As opposed to say, chemistry's fundamentality? Or Math's fundamentality?
Those thing's certainly have their place. But once Life got started, didn't natural selection start determining?
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WBraun
climber
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And we surely don't need to kill to stay alive.
Everyone is a killer and there's no escape.
Every time you take a bath you kill .... bacteria.
It has life.
But once Life got started,
Life never ever got started.
It's eternal, never born never dies .....
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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yeah yeah, jus talk'in to the short term eyes
edit;thought you might salute my abhorrence to eating duck
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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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DMT: It's very simple and not theoritical at all MikeL... Survivors and procreators win.
There’s something not very satisfying (as it concerns prediction) when someone says that who or whatever ends up standing is a proof or an instantiation of evolution. There is a focus on genes, but don’t “genes” then become some kind of universal answer in all instances?
When I said that evolution moves us forward, there is a sense that life become more complex, it becomes more aware, as well as becoming more dominant and numerous and “successful” (procreation). (I think Werner is arguing against this idea, but his view might hold a different time frame in mind.)
Is evolution random and non-directional? Is that how it seems to folks? Survival of the Fittest might be descriptive of what happens, but in a broader view, would it merely explain or describe randomness?
Winning is everything? It’s the only thing that matters?
Then, hell, . . . if ISIS can garner enough resources, then it SHOULD win. It would be “right” in that it wins?
If we’re not careful, we’ll find ourselves taking a metric of success and use that to argue that is what SHOULD happen (and make policy by it). It seems a process of post hoc ergo proper hoc, no?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Isotopic evidence based on nitrogen isotope ratios in the bones of early modern humans shows pretty conclusively we've always been omnivores and opportunistic feeders.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Then, hell, . . . if ISIS can garner enough resources, then it SHOULD win. It would be “right” in that it wins?
Thr Great White shark might agree with you. But what about the Big Blue whale wiggling around behind her with a gigantic smile? Eating greens!
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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we've always been omnivores and opportunistic feeders.
K!
so why was MartinLutherKing killed for what he said?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Goggle released today that it was going to start recording YOUR facial expressions. All under the guise to help provide for you.
No doubt this information WILL be "lost" or sold to the AI dudes
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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sorry, broke-up with my girl-friend yesterday
edit; hey,maybe that's what happened to BK?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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so why was MartinLutherKing killed for what he said?
Huh?
sorry, broke-up with my girl-friend yesterday
Sorry to hear it...
But what about the Big Blue whale wiggling around behind her with a gigantic smile? Eating greens!
Blue Whales are almost exclusively Crustaceavores eating Krill and similar Zooplankton . Those Crustaceans in turn live on various [Phyto-]Plankton. So you could say Blue Whales are only one level of indirection away from being Vegans. Think of it this way: something as big as a Blue Whale and many other Antarctic creatures have to have an intermediate to 'concentrate' the food value inherent in the Plankton as they could never directly collect enough Plankton to support their needs.
And interesting tidbit there is the leap in predator/prey size ratio between Krill and Plankton is similarly and unusually huge as it is between the Blue Whales and Krill.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Sorry to hear it...
Thanks. it was a good learning experience..
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the size thing IS really neat. but this;
a Blue Whale and many other Antarctic creatures have to have an intermediate to 'concentrate' the food value inherent in the Plankton as they could never directly collect enough Plankton to support their needs.
if big blue had enough greens, would he still eat meat?
if the Lion started eating only grass. Would he still be The Lion?
so why was MartinLutherKing killed for what he said?
Huh?
has a Lion ever killed a deer, because the deer talked sh#t about the eating habits of The Lion, or in his belief of a Creator?
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Bushman
Social climber
In this form at present
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'When the Women Take Over the World'
While the west was waging war,
On jihadis too extreme,
They were dropping lots of bombs,
And drinking their Jim Beam,
And the terrorist were crazy,
They were living in a dream,
As they pissed off all their wives,
Who were hatching their own scheme,
In the west there was a coup,
Of a different sort of type,
It went off without a hitch,
With no fireworks or hype,
In every latitude and haunt,
It was coming down the pipe,
Twas a feeling in the air,
It was more than just a gripe,
Men were caught so unaware,
And the women made their calls,
As the girls in uniform,
We're breaking down the walls,
All the females schooled in science,
Were plotting in their halls,
As the men of earth were sleeping,
They sacrificed their balls,
So the females of this world,
Would multiply like birds,
And strike down any man,
While keeping up their guards,
And the women reigned supreme,
As the men were kept in herds,
They were lobotomized and sterile,
And no longer used their words.
So the men gave up their power,
And dominion alway falls,
To the last person standing,
More so when nature calls,
Waging war with their machismo,
The men snored in their stalls,
And the women sent them packing,
Beneath the valley of the dolls.
-bushman
02/03/2015
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Haha
that was my exact condolence's(condignacy)?, LAST NIGHT. That girl was the most emotionalextremeistsensationalistimaginallarityist ever.
Today i'm begging for a scientific chick. Maybe one of Fruity's young'ons?
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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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It’s so difficult to live in the now. The future naturally rolls out as a projection, and the past is being recast as we remember it. But now is so infinite. There’s so much going on at any one moment, it’s almost not possible. Everything is all there. Nothing is not.
I think I’m an entity. I think there is this world around me. I think I am in it. What a movie. Interactive.
Just now. Right-here-right-now is a destination. RHRN is just a consciousness radiating. And what projects that?
I’m just amusing myself.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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I’m just amusing myself.
i can predict my tomorrow.
i can tell you of my yesterday.
Right Now, idon't know...La La La
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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I read that in the NYTimes OpEd piece and thought that it was exactly wrong... emotionalism is a double edged sword, you can harness it for great good and for great harm.
We have emotions, we don't need to sanctify them.
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