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jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Feb 3, 2015 - 11:55am PT
It's time for our "Commander & Chief" to follow Bill O'Reilly's suggestion and show some international leadership by assembling an international force to go in and eradicate these ISIS psychopathic vermin. Take no prisoners.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Feb 3, 2015 - 01:06pm PT
^^^well I guess that's the evolutionary way, to kill of the stains that don't suit the main branch?

Maybe we should capture them and use'em for some scientific experimentation?

I mean, they do have a brain. Maybe faulty, but they are the most sought after product in the universe. Lets discect!
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Feb 3, 2015 - 02:09pm PT
Such an act of sadistic and psychopathic nature ironically might actually be a good indicator, despite the horrible fate of the victim.

One of the often cited reasons Hitler was able to proceed forward in his larger aims before WW2 was his brilliantly deft capacity at successfully keeping the naturally more psychopathic elements within both the Nazi hierarchy and rank and file ,otherwise preoccupied with garden variety murder and mayhem while he fried much larger fish in pursuing his dreams of European and eventually world domination. He didn't need them clumsily mucking things up ,and so kept them out of general media view during the critical earlier stages of the Third Reich's rise to power. This is not to say that Hitler himself wasn't psychopathic, only that he was clearly turned-on by different priorities in feeding his grandiose malignant narcissism. Hitler found that conquering the world was much more interesting than ordinary civilian killings; which he usually regarded dispassionately and amorally as a means to his ends.

ISIS seems to lack this kind of talented, strong, charismatic leader and seems to be fiendishly and boorishly bouncing from one grimly staged act of terroristic Islamo-sadism to the next; the perceived dictates of the Islamic religion notwithstanding.

Therefore, as long as this condition pertains there remains a glimmer of hope that ISIS itself will continue merely as regional bogeymen, notably tardy at upping their game,and obviously failing at substantially expanding their draconian brand of Sado-jihadism. Perhaps even eventual 'collapse from within' due to a chronic lack of inspired and intelligent leadership, as I have outlined.

This is important for the West because, as pointed out upthread ,there continues to be no real leadership forthcoming from Obama or the Washington establishment or the West in general in confronting the current problem in ways that are going to result in a marked reversal of ISIS regional hegemony. In fact, quite the opposite seems to be occurring.




Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Feb 3, 2015 - 02:25pm PT
A lot less than the US burned up in several bombings of Dresden , Germany during one week in 1944.

Your point?

After you've answered both questions you're still left with the same problem going forward.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Feb 3, 2015 - 03:01pm PT
i would have thought that blaming oneself for mass murder would be a 24hr. job

Btw there's very little the voters don't have on their hands, my friend.
MikeL

Social climber
Seattle, WA
Feb 3, 2015 - 03:12pm PT
I wonder how evolution “solves the problem” of ISIS and terrorism? Since evolution is (purportedly) the most successful theory of all, I wonder how evolution will explain and predict what will next occur and how it will be evolutionary for our species? How do these events and experiences allow us to move forward? How will this make us more “fit” for the environment we find ourselves in?

My question here admittedly is a bit perverse, . . . but honest. What good are theories and data in determining what “a right answer” is for this “question?” Perhaps there is some use that Game Theory could be put to here (as it has with regards to the Seahawks last play), but it seems more likely that the events will be used to “prove” game theory instead.

Life is not theoretical; theory is not life.

Looking at the world in theoretical ways often seems useless and meaningless. They simply create more appearances. They don’t provide any real traction at the end of the day: they don’t change the universe or the world.

Intentions are perhaps the most significant universe-changer that there is.

Be well,
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Feb 3, 2015 - 04:20pm PT
Underway (still) is a war of beliefs.

Beliefs are enabling mechanisms of survival.

Beliefs and belief systems - as drivers of conduct - are subject to natural selection too.

We are currently witnessing the gene pool of humanity at large - autolytically at war - rid itself of ISIS belief (aka radical Islamist belief).

Good riddance.

Better now, I say, than 50 years from now when access to WMDs (i.e., nuclear weapons) will likely be more widespread.

The world was different in our ancestral days, our gene pool is adapting.

Remember that scene in Interstellar. Standing over the downed drone, Coop says to his daughter... "This thing needs to learn how to adapt Murph, like the rest of us." Adaptation. It's all about adaptation. The Muslim world is not exempt.
WBraun

climber
Feb 3, 2015 - 04:42pm PT
Modern man has devolved.

He shrunk and has become stoopid.

The previous yugas men were far more advanced and intelligent then today.

Modern Technology is so inferior compared to the previous.

Modern man has devolved into a stupid cave men .....
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 3, 2015 - 06:05pm PT
Not to mention they stood 7 cubits tall and climbed 5.18.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Feb 3, 2015 - 06:24pm PT
I wonder how evolution “solves the problem” of ISIS and terrorism?

Back to the caveman days, Their creed was prolly kill or be killed, and maybe all the way up to the cowboy days when something changed here in america. We here today don't really want to kill anybody, unless maybe they killed somebody else. But that's a different matter.

The killing of people(god that seems so wrong just to say)today, like whats happening in say, africa, russia, gaza,etc. has mostly to do with people DOING someTHING against the will of another people. And without thinking of a better recourse. The inflicted people just want to wipe the antagonist off the map.

In the cowboy days, if you questioned the integrity of another man's word. You very well could be challenged to meet in the street to a duel.

Not so much today.

Today ISIS is killing people they perceive as not having the same BELIEFS as they hold. At least that's what they say. i believe most of them jus like killing and taking sh#t. Regardless, it is a movement!

i believe we here in america have moved beyond what evolution has determined. That capitol punishment is not warranted even in the case of a killing. And most of the States have proved this. And is confirmed almost unanimously.

So why don't we stick to our guns when dealing with the rest of the world???

i dream of a world where we all evolve to the point of putting down ALL swords. And when one man raises his and chops off someone's ear, everyone reaches to reattach it and explains to that man with reason..

Selah
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 3, 2015 - 06:28pm PT
Religious fundamentalists of all persuasions are dangerous.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Feb 3, 2015 - 06:43pm PT

Religious fundamentalists of all persuasions are dangerous.

Well that's a great emotional response! But how about useing ur brain to answer my question?

OK, The Jews are prolly the most fundamental. Can you explain to me how their dangerous?
WBraun

climber
Feb 3, 2015 - 06:52pm PT
Locker is a Modern-day fundamentalists fer sure.

He will only be happy when every town a village in America has a butt plug ....
Bushman

Social climber
The island of Tristan da Cunha
Feb 3, 2015 - 06:52pm PT
Part of the problem IMO is that we are all so willing to enlist others to fight our battles for us and then when we find willing volunteers to do so, we hamstring them with so many rules of engagement and other limitations they become less effective in doing their jobs. If we are so willing to put our youth and resources in harm’s way we might also consider the effect on our fighting forces when we don’t properly care for them or respect their sacrifices, and the sacrifices of their families and survivors, after our soldiers return home.

If we are so willing that others put themselves in harm’s way to achieve our goals then we also must consider the consequences to them and their loved ones before asking them to take action.

healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 3, 2015 - 06:53pm PT
Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, etc. doesn't matter to me. Nothing emotional about it.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Feb 3, 2015 - 06:57pm PT
^^^
+1

cause i did know the definition.

thanks locker for another cut n paste of someone elses words along with ur iconic symbolism's.

maybe how about something out of your mouth?

other than smoke, that is.

^^^lol
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Feb 3, 2015 - 07:10pm PT

If we are so willing that others put themselves in harm’s way to achieve our goals then we also must consider the consequences to them and their loved ones before asking them to take action.

well our Army today is voluntary.

And don't we DO more for our returnees than anyone else?

We provide them with much educational, physical, emotional, job placement opportunities as any one since the beginning of time.

i jus saw where a guy got two legs and an arm costing 2mil provided by taxpayers.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Feb 3, 2015 - 07:13pm PT

doesn't matter to me

what about Climber Fundamentalist? Are they dangerous too?
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 3, 2015 - 07:16pm PT
Typically only to themselves...
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Feb 3, 2015 - 07:40pm PT
that was a good one:)

but my post wasn't concerning religion. My direct pointing was squarely at Evolution's fundamentalality.
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