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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Oct 23, 2014 - 04:03pm PT
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Seems like there is one basic principle that helps guide behavior in any situation when there is a question or gray area:
Would the world be a better or worse place if everyone did what I am contemplating doing?
Not enough people seem to care to ask that question of themselves.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Oct 23, 2014 - 04:08pm PT
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Can't wait for news vans to start camping out in front of her home
trying for an interview or to film the authorities perp walking her.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Oct 23, 2014 - 04:11pm PT
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That didn't happen for those scout leaders that trundeled Gobblin Valley.
Really surprised she didn't learn from that. Incredibly stupid.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Oct 23, 2014 - 04:42pm PT
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Okay, Mojomonkey
You all do not have to read my posts.
I do not endorse violence against any one or thing
I do not like one of your Names either.
If you think that I am so rude then take it down too.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Oct 23, 2014 - 05:41pm PT
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Dingletoast,
if you read what I wrote before I said no glass house here then you would have got the point I was making.
The only way to truly preserve our parks would be to fence everybody out.
Ain't gonna happen. People will use the parks and they will have an impact. I try hard to minimize visual impact while promoting safety and enjoyment. Responsible use with an eye to the future IS the point.
What's the deal man? We were friends but you posted a regretful link and I shot you one "screw you, thanks a lot", and you've been sniping at me for years. Hoped you'd be bigger than that.
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Oct 23, 2014 - 05:52pm PT
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i found some shithead's tagging gear at the local crag, carefully stashed by a popular boulder. It was carefully hidden, in a nice under armor bag. Spray paint cans, chalk, the whole works. I smashed that sh#t in the bag and put it right back where I found it. Next time, it's your hands or your head. F*#k 'em.
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DickSilly
climber
cutlass supreme
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Oct 23, 2014 - 05:52pm PT
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She looks hot. I'd do her in a second.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Oct 23, 2014 - 06:45pm PT
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We all live in glass houses.
Part of the human condition, perhaps. On the mountain biker forums, they are pissed at her. Although they brag and post videos of riding illegally on the PCT. The PCTers are pissed at the mountain bikers for violating the regulations, but the PCTers leave behind illegal fire rings in their wake.
We often condemn in others what we condone in ourselves.
So it goes.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Oct 23, 2014 - 07:48pm PT
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Not buying it you two.
I recently went out for sushi with old friends in Boulder. I wanted to eat only sustainable types, and even brought the pamphlet.
Their cop out was that, because they did not have children they were far less of an impact to the planet and they would eat what they wanted.
I still love them till death, but don't buy into the rationale.
We are conscious beings. We are aware of consequences. If we are ethical then it weighs in the balance.
We are obliged to do what we can.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Oct 23, 2014 - 08:25pm PT
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^^^ ^^Probably never been on Monsanto's Christmas card list.
Veggies just don't taste right without that wiff
of Glyphosate(N-(phosphonomethyl)glycine).
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Oct 23, 2014 - 09:09pm PT
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A Pittsburgh man who scrawled graffiti along the upper Yosemite Falls trail was prosecuted in federal court and earlier this year was fined $5,791, placed on probation and ordered by the judge to post on his Facebook page that he had received the maximum penalty.
Kari Cobb, a Yosemite spokeswoman, said defacing park property is not common, but that visitors have carved their names into trees and into moss growing on rocks.
“Yosemite is lucky — we have an amazing restoration crew,” Cobb said. “They are going to figure out ways to get rid of that graffiti. It may take a while, but I have no doubt they will do it.” http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-sci-sn-park-vandalism-20141023-story.html
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Oct 24, 2014 - 07:05am PT
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^^^Michael's post is to a White House petition requesting she be sought and prosecuted. If you are outraged by these multiple acts go there and sign the petition.
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WyoRockMan
climber
Flank of the Big Horns
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Oct 24, 2014 - 07:51am PT
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She is showing zero remorse or understanding of her actions on her "blog".
IT’S ART NOT VANDALISM
I AM AN ARTIST
Other comparisons to Banksy, etc. Her smugness will hopefully catch up to her soon.
http://creepytings.tumblr.com/
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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Oct 24, 2014 - 08:14am PT
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Part of the human condition, perhaps. On the mountain biker forums, they are pissed at her. Although they brag and post videos of riding illegally on the PCT. The PCTers are pissed at the mountain bikers for violating the regulations, but the PCTers leave behind illegal fire rings in their wake.
We often condemn in others what we condone in ourselves.
Yes, interesting the level of hatred from all sides. I wonder if it's because we more conventional users of the parks, bikers, climbers, etc have impacts but we all try to minimize them by standards set by the recreational community we're part of.
We're aware that members of the recreational community we belong to occasionally go too far or do things that are not strictly legal, but such behavior is self-limiting as the recreational community we belong to will apply pressure, informally protest, educate and create better compliance. (in climbing, chipping holds is treated this way).
Members of the climbing community operate within the spirit of the law, if not always within the letter of NPS regulations. But we try to. And it's not always very easy navigating the sometimes tortuous NPS regulations. I've run afoul, once or twice, over the years.
In that sense, both Ron and DMT are correct. We individually strive to minimize or reduce our impacts. But some people are more aware and experienced than others; we can see how (usually other) members of the community sometimes fall short of best-practice standards. We wince, bitch to our friends, move on.
Whereas the perpetrator of this artwork/vandalism is operating in reverse: deliberately maximizing her impacts.
She chooses to leave in-your-face impacts, everywhere she visits. Her little painting will clean up OK, but the act of creating them is totally outside any possible community standards for behavior in a park or any kind of scenic, wild place.
The condemnation comes from the attitude of deliberately creating maximum impact. Sad she (or anyone) could feel this is OK.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Oct 24, 2014 - 08:37am PT
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Apparently all the outreach designed to expose inner-city youth to the Parks is working.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Oct 24, 2014 - 09:16am PT
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She's no Banksy.
The I AM AN ARTIST remark is a cop-out. A true artist doesn't deface common ground.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Oct 24, 2014 - 09:24am PT
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Exhibit A
Exhibit B
They look the same to me. The only difference is the medium used.
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