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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Maybe you need to do a bit more research, Reilly. Really.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Unions are a collection of people that want the Union to pool their funds for the political reason of maintaining their livelihood.
You mean like corporations, which are collection of people pooling their funds to engage in a business to maintain their livelihoods?
The arguments offered by those who attack Citizens United leave little doubt that they do so because they want to silence those with whom they disagree.
John
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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I said stop the unions for making contributions if it means the rid ourselves of Citizen's United
There are Very Few that support Citizen's United, and those people either have huge cash to spend buying their Republican Reps.
Or they deny the ramifications of it out of Partisan delusion
All of the Koch Billions will be undisclosed Dark Money
They can do it legally by funneling it through anyone of 100s of right wing Non-profits
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Norton
Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
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The arguments offered by those who attack Citizens United leave little doubt that they do so because they want to silence those with whom they disagree.
very true, John
and cannot the same be said about your own disagreement with collective bargaining?
because....you don't want unions to have influence, to be "silent"?
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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The arguments offered by those who attack Citizens United leave little doubt that they do so because they want to silence those with whom they disagree.
I believe everyone should have a voice. Since the CU ruling, it seems the overwhelming majority have a low volume voice. The other one percent have their voice turned up to eleven.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Norton I don't object to collective bargaining in the private sector, or even in the public sector, because it lowers transactions costs and can be mutually beneficial to both labor and management. I object to allowing public employee unions to strike, because they are performing government functions, and "protecting" their members from those rapacious citizens. In addition, the obvious conflict of interest in the political arena makes the collection and use of union dues for political purposes problematic.
John
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Gary, do point out where I am wrong.
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Norton
Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
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. I object to allowing public employee unions to strike, because they are performing government functions
I agree 100%
however John, am I correct that you have modified, mitigated, your prior more strident opposition to unions?
or are you holding back.....
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Hillary is being pushed aside!
She deserves it!
Personal in home server = benghazi still in our hearts.
Long live constitutional people...
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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DMT looks like dems want some fresh meat..
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Hillary was following the e-mail Protocol of the Time.
They didn't provide a special Gov. Sec of State e-mail or require it by law until After she stepped down.
Colin Powell used his private e-mail while he was Sec. of State.
This is just another hit job by the MSM to weaken her before 2016.
Supposedly, her e-mail account was more secure than the Gov.
So go ahead and search for Benghazi, fools.
Hope we spend several 100 million on another wild goose chase.
It sickens me to see all the folks at the alleged "center" just go along with the destruction of the Dems while the Repubs get a free ride.
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 6, 2015 - 07:28am PT
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I will almost certainly vote for her because the alternative would probably be unthinkable.
But I 100% agree with your anti-dynastic sentiments, which is one of the reasons I did not vote for her in 2008.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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There is No Clinton dynasty.
There is only Bill and Hillary.
The Bush Family is a Dynasty.
First there was Prescott Bush,
that got rich funding the Nazi War machine.
And was part of a unsuccessful fascist coup on FDR.
A Google search of him is fascinating. I wonder why the MSM never talks about him?
Then George H.W. Bush
Then George W. Bush
Then Jeb Bush
That's a dynasty !
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WBraun
climber
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What????
I'm voting for Bibi Nutcaseyahooo for POTUS.
What could ever go wrong ........
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"She will not be getting my vote, should she run."
So you'll likely sit this one out, then? That's a shame. The result could be catastrophic.
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 6, 2015 - 07:42am PT
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Craig, there are 300,000,000 people in the U. S.
We don't have to keep settling on the same two families to run things.
Hillary is a remarkable woman but without her personal connection to Bill we would not be having this discussion about her.
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crankster
Trad climber
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There will be an election, d'bag. If someone else is out there let them throw their hat in the ring and let's see what happens.
She's the only one who can beat Jeb, imo.
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 6, 2015 - 08:10am PT
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I agree. I said I was probably going to vote for her. And, I understand she is probably the most electable candidate.
But I can't say that I have any great enthusiasm looking at a ballot with the same names as before
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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We don't have to keep settling on the same two families to run things.
I Whole Heartily agree!
But it's not up to us, it's who is willing to put themselves up for election, and Hillary is doing that.
So if she is the Democratic candidate, I will happily vote for her.
I would recommend that you vote for anyone you want for President.
BUT, please vote for Democratic Congress People
You may think your Repub Congressman has great ideas and is better than the Dem, but it doesn't matter, because it's all about having a Majority in Congress, and if we have a Repub majority, you can expect more dysfunctional Government
Serious question
IS that what you want to vote for?
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Guess you failed to watch the interim elections this year where the people voted out dems across the country
Wrong
I watched what happened, was it good thing????????????//
And actually there were 10s of millions of more votes for Dems, but the system is rigged so the Repubs won more seats.
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