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dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 15, 2014 - 09:06pm PT
Tens of thousands of reasons have been listed. Tens of thousands of reasons remain to be listed.

For the original creator of this thread:

Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Oct 15, 2014 - 09:18pm PT
Indeed! Spew on! da chief.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Oct 15, 2014 - 09:39pm PT
Does this mean the Republicans were not wrong about everything...? Nice photo bomb The Chief...
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 15, 2014 - 09:43pm PT
Thanks for the continuance, dirt.

F, where-ever you are, thanks for the outlet(s) to this never-answered, yet blatantly obvious question.

dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 15, 2014 - 09:45pm PT
Is that Ted Croooz?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 15, 2014 - 09:46pm PT
Chief, you and blueblocr oughta have a nice circle jerk.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 15, 2014 - 09:49pm PT
WTF, did Craig get Fryed? Won't be the same without such talent.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Oct 15, 2014 - 09:54pm PT
The Chief...Dr. F will be back...Don't get on top of your sedan and do the blue velvet celebration jig...rj
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Oct 15, 2014 - 09:59pm PT
Who cares...Just watch...
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 16, 2014 - 06:04am PT
lapdogs:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/reporters-say-white-house-sometimes-demands-changes-to-press-pool-reports/2014/09/23/e5e6fec8-42d9-11e4-9a15-137aa0153527_story.html


guess this proves where the faux news actually comes from


winston smith is dead
dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 16, 2014 - 06:25am PT
Sketch gives the perfect response to bookworm.
MisterE

Gym climber
Bishop, CA
Oct 16, 2014 - 07:01am PT
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 16, 2014 - 07:07am PT
more government health care:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2791744/origami-condoms-michelle-obama-gardening-games-poop-throwing-chimps-national-institutes-health-cried-poor-ebola-money-wacky-research.html#ixzz3GBtlE2iL


lib response: more government health care

winston smith is dead
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Oct 16, 2014 - 07:48am PT
is this thread approved by dr f?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Oct 16, 2014 - 07:49am PT
Progressive's response: Single payer health care. Get the For Profit out of the system (however unlikely that might be).


MisterE, that is Perfect. Any chance you can turn those ants into clowns?
WBraun

climber
Oct 16, 2014 - 08:25am PT
Dumbest and stupidest thread on the the internet.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Oct 16, 2014 - 08:28am PT
what happend dr f*#ktards threads?
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Oct 16, 2014 - 09:06am PT
It's all Locker's fault.

You're still new enough here Moose that you don't realize that "It's all Locker's fault" is the basic underlying premise to Supertopo itself. That it is so fundamental that it goes without saying.

I even posted a TR on that subject about a hundred years ago, titled "It's all Locker's fault." I think he even replied, agreeing that, indeed, everything was his fault.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 16, 2014 - 10:40am PT
^^^^
Following in his father's footsteps....40% of his views are very intriguing with wide popular support, but the other 60% are so whacknut crazy you just can't get behind the guy.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Oct 16, 2014 - 11:29am PT
What ever happened to fatso?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 16, 2014 - 11:41am PT
He got the axe. Did some weird shite behind the scenes, too. Probably deserved it.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 16, 2014 - 12:22pm PT
ok, that's all well and good, but... how about evidence to the fact of the OP...

[Click to View YouTube Video]

Would any of you republican fools follow this mans advice?

Taking advice from anyone this well tended to this well follicly and dermatologically who also makes millions can only benefit him.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 16, 2014 - 06:20pm PT
I like the way he references Katrina. Kinda ironic, considering the title of this thread.
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 17, 2014 - 03:51am PT
libs promote diversity and hypocritical hilarity ensues...


student is accepted to ALL female wellesly college and promptly declares she is actually a man (“masculine-of-center genderqueer” to be exact) and is warmly welcomed...new male/former female student at ALL female wellesly college applies to be "multicultural affairs coordinator" to promote a “culture of diversity” on campus...diversity promoting students at ALL female wellesly college declare new male/former female student's application to be "inappropriate" because “Having men in elected leadership positions undermines the idea of this being a place where women are the leaders”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/magazine/when-women-become-men-at-wellesley-college.html?_r=0


why are libs so hateful? will eric holder investigate? will barry speak?


winston smith is dead
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 17, 2014 - 05:51am PT
how government spends your health care tax money:

"...the agency has spent $2,873,440 trying to figure out why lesbians are obese, and $466,642 on why fat girls have a tough time getting dates. Another $2,075,611 was spent encouraging old people to join choirs.

Millions have gone to “text message interventions,” including a study where researchers sent texts to drunks at the bar to try to get them to stop drinking. The project received an additional grant this year, for a total of $674,590.

The NIH is also texting older African Americans with HIV ($372,460), HIV and drug users in rural areas ($693,000), HIV smokers ($763,519), pregnant smokers ($380,145), teen moms ($243,839), and meth addicts ($360,113). Text message interventions to try to get obese people to lose weight have cost $2,707,067.

The NIH’s research on obesity has led to spending $2,101,064 on wearable insoles and buttons that can track a person’s weight, and $374,670 to put on fruit and vegetable puppet shows for preschoolers.

A restaurant intervention to develop new children’s menus cost $275,227, and the NIH spent $430,608 for mother-daughter dancing outreach to fight obesity.

Sexual minorities have received a substantial amount from the NIH. The agency has now spent $105,066 following 16 schizophrenic LGBT Canadians around Toronto for a study on their community experiences.

The total for a project on why gay men get syphilis in Peru is now $692,697 after receiving additional $228,425 this year. The NIH is also concerned about postpartum depression in “invisible sexual minority women,” with a study that has cost $718,770.

Millions went to develop “origami condoms,” in male, female, and anal versions. The inventor Danny Resnic, who received $2,466,482 from the NIH, has been accused of massive fraud for using grant money for full-body plastic surgery in Costa Rica and parties at the Playboy mansion.

How transwomen use Facebook is the subject of another NIH study worth $194,788.

The agency has also committed $5 million to “mine and analyze” social media to study American’s attitudes toward drug abuse, and $306,900 to use Twitter for surveillance on depressed people.

The NIH has also spent $15,313,372 on cessation studies devoted to every kind of smoker imaginable. Current studies are targeted at American Indians ($2,899,954); Chinese and Vietnamese men ($424,875); postmenopausal women ($4,151,850); the homeless ($558,576);Korean youth ($94,580); young schizophrenics ($397,802); Brazilian women smokers ($955,368);Latino HIV-positive smokers($471,530); and the LGBT community ($2,364,521).

Yale University is studying how to get “Heavy Drinkers” to stop smoking at a cost of $571,799. Other projects seek to use Twitter to provide “social support to smokers” ($659,469), and yoga ($1,763,048) as a way to quit.

An NIH project studying sighs cost taxpayers $53,282.

On Tuesday, Health and Human Services (HHS) had to outsource efforts at an Ebola vaccine to the Baltimore-based Profectus BioSciences Inc. The company will receive $8.6 million to research and test their vaccine, a fraction of NIH funding that went to the above projects."


lib response: more government spending
dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 17, 2014 - 06:38am PT
So the government spends a few million dollars investigating various ways to get people to stop smoking, and you get all worked up?

Get a life, dood.

(BTW, smoking related health problems costs BILLIONS.)

(Oh, and does that right wing source you cite actually dig into the science of those studies, or does it just perform a cursory glance, looking for studies that sound silly but really might be scientifically sound?)

And speaking of billions...

Where is your outrage over the hundreds of billions of dollars your chickenhawk buddies flushed down the shitter in pursuit of that winning cause, the Iraq War?






(Crickets...)
dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 17, 2014 - 07:12am PT
Was I talking to you scratch?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Oct 17, 2014 - 07:20am PT
Sketch usually hears voices when he's wearing the magic underwear...
dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 17, 2014 - 07:42am PT
Sketch you are a tiresome little bore.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Oct 17, 2014 - 08:26am PT
Was I talking to you scratch?


Dude... your talking to all of us....
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 17, 2014 - 09:10am PT
barry's spox assures us about ebola there are many responsible people responsible for their responsibility but these responsible people are not responsible for the responsibilities of the other responsible people because that would be irresponsible


so, now, barry names a "ebola czar" to be responsible for overseeing our response to ebola; his qualifications for this new responsibility are quite responsible:

"A former chief of staff to Vice President Joe Biden and also to then-Vice President Al Gore, Klain is currently president of Case Holdings and General Counsel of Revolution, an investment group. He has clerked for the U.S. Supreme Court and headed up Gore’s effort during the 2000 Florida recount."


of course, we should not confuse the responsibilities of this responsible person with the responsibilities of this other responsible person:

"the woman who heads that office, Dr. Nicole Lurie, explains that the responsibilities of her office are “to help our country prepare for, respond to and recover from public health threats.” She says her major priority is to help the country prepare for emergencies and to “have the countermeasures—the medicines or vaccines that people might need to use in a public health emergency. So a large part of my office also is responsible for developing those countermeasures.”

Or, as National Journal rather glowingly puts it, “Lurie’s job is to plan for the unthinkable. A global flu pandemic? She has a plan. A bioterror attack? She’s on it. Massive earthquake? Yep. Her responsibilities as assistant secretary span public health, global health, and homeland security.” A profile of Lurie quoted her as saying, “I have responsibility for getting the nation prepared for public health emergencies—whether naturally occurring disasters or man-made, as well as for helping it respond and recover. It’s a pretty significant undertaking.” Still another refers to her as “the highest-ranking federal official in charge of preparing the nation to face such health crises as earthquakes, hurricanes, terrorist attacks, and pandemic influenza.”


one thing is for sure, you can never have too many responsible people in responsible positions to avoid barry bearing any responsibility for any of the responsibilities of the presidency
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 17, 2014 - 09:20am PT
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Oct 17, 2014 - 09:22am PT
All Dr. F threads and posts are now gone forever?
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 17, 2014 - 09:34am PT
We probably wouldn't need an Ebola Czar if the Republicans would allow appointment of a Surgeon General.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 17, 2014 - 09:39am PT
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 17, 2014 - 10:13am PT
No, no, TGT, NOT Sturgeon General, you oaf!
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 17, 2014 - 10:52am PT
Any ideas how to fix that?

Yeah:
Dump the bosses off your back.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 17, 2014 - 11:23am PT
That's a good start, Sketch.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 17, 2014 - 11:42am PT
Sketch, that kinda Progressive talk from you is freaking me out.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 17, 2014 - 11:43am PT
Why does Sketch want to punish the The Job Creators?

He's a commie. Somebody get bluering on the blower.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 17, 2014 - 12:03pm PT
But not hotdogs, eh, you commie fink.

DMT is spot on.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 17, 2014 - 12:09pm PT
Dingus, that the most idiotic post of the year, you festering pile of parrot droppings.
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
Oct 17, 2014 - 12:16pm PT
Campaign finance reform will have to be a grass roots effort. The foxes have been in the henhouse too long. Democrats are as filthily corrupt as the Republicans. They're both cowardly on national defense. Voting party line is a vote for status quo.

Democratic party is corrupt. Republican party is corrupt.

Both are rotten to the core. You sonsabitches wanna bray about your party, BRAY TO YOUR PARTY.

Clean your sh#t up before you start throwing your feces over the fence.

Yes this means YOU, PARTISAN....

DMT

Well Said!!!
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 17, 2014 - 12:18pm PT
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/17/the_daily_show_destroys_sam_brownbacks_failed_conservative_experiment/

“The Daily Show” destroys Sam Brownback’s failed conservative experiment

On Thursday evening’s edition of “The Daily Show,” Jessica Williams reported from Kansas, where an unwieldy political experiment affecting the lives of millions had just been completed.

The experiment was Gov. Sam Brownback’s Republican utopia: Brownback instituted policies leading to the expansion of gun rights, restrictions on abortion, reduced welfare, increased voter registration scrutiny, and much lower taxes, with any owner of a business totally exempt.

The results of the experiment are in!

Wint Winter Jr., former state senator, said: “It’s just been an abject failure … I wish it had worked, it’d be great! This is really an experiment gone horribly wrong.”

“How bad could it be?” Williams asked.

“Credit downgrades, deficit spending, cuts in education, cuts in highways. That’s what I call a train wreck.”

“Are you sure you’re a Republican?” asked Williams. “Because you don’t sound like one. Name three hip-hop artists and Eminem does not count.”

 The republicans are going down on themselves...
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 17, 2014 - 12:29pm PT
Gary, your girlfriend is a REPUBLICAN!!!

That's it. Now it's personal! Moose, I'm reporting you to Ron.
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 17, 2014 - 03:42pm PT
the evuhl rich? in congress, they're mostly libs


http://news.yahoo.com/party-rich-congress-democrats-205634504--election.html
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Oct 17, 2014 - 04:09pm PT
Ah,, the fresh new Republican thread!

The WRONGNESS dogpile.


Sadly I have nothing useful to contribute. I was gonna say something but forgot what it was.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 17, 2014 - 07:04pm PT
Love, rain o'er me!
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 17, 2014 - 08:36pm PT
This just in, and it is terrible news.

The Republican state of Tennessee has just paroled the murderer of Stringbean and his wife. How could they do that? F*#king Republican bleeding hearts!

[Click to View YouTube Video]

bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 18, 2014 - 02:14am PT
the utter incompetence of the barry administration (and their utter contempt for you) expressed in a single response to a simple question: can you get ebola by sitting next to an infected person on a bus? let the games begin:


“I think there are two different parts of that equation. The first is, if you’re a member of the traveling public and are healthy, should you be worried that you might have gotten it by sitting next to someone? And the answer is no.”

“Second, if you are sick and you may have Ebola, should you get on a bus? And the answer to that is also no. You might become ill, you might have a problem that exposes someone around you.”


hey, with guys like this (i.e. like barry, biden, harry, and nancy) in charge who wouldn't demand even more government?
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 18, 2014 - 02:31am PT
the epitome of government regulation:

http://dailysignal.com/2014/10/10/unbelievable-city-demands-girl-tear-playground-received-make-wish-foundation/

lib response: more government
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Oct 18, 2014 - 06:18am PT
So booky- please enlighten me on just exactly how a person on a bus would get infected, and how this deviates from our contemptable fearless leader's assessment. Apparently you have advanced medical knowledge that our most esteemed doctors do not.
Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
Oct 18, 2014 - 07:20am PT
I remember too...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EAUms4XIg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6ETIy8fi0g
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Oct 18, 2014 - 08:13am PT
I think his point had to do with President Obama's all too common evasiveness.

I'd like booky to respond please. President Obama answered the question very well.

But perhaps I missed booky's point because when booky gets on a bus, it's free BJs for everyone. Then yes, he might have something to worry about...

I don't know how all you scared foxes live your lives. Do you spend your days living in a hermetically sealed padded room with no furniture, encased in bubble wrap? Ever hear of Hepatitis? West Nile virus? Meningitis? Tuberculosis? Drunk drivers? Whacked-out pissed off people with access to firearms?... Just keep watching fox and they'll tell you when it's safe to come out.

let's not overlook how this Ebola situation is another example of President Obama leading from behind.

Please enlighten me and give an example of what you think (I know that's a bit of a stretch, but you can do it, I have hope) he should do and how that's going to significantly affect the average US citizen.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Oct 18, 2014 - 08:38am PT
Fox news...The Fox keeping the chickens in the hen house...
WBraun

climber
Oct 18, 2014 - 09:59am PT
Wow .

All started over again and these politards are saying the same stupid sh!t they said in the previous 80,000 posts.

They are insane and beyond insane.

Lobotomized !!!!!

And Jeb (Drug Don) Bush will be your next retarded POTUS for two terms.

It's already been setup and rigged.

You people are stupid .......
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 18, 2014 - 10:12am PT
the lib plan for cutting health care costs:


http://news.investors.com/politics-obamacare/101714-722269-obamacare-bronze-plan-premiums-to-jump-in-2015.htm



oh, the irony...
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 18, 2014 - 10:15am PT
Insurance companies have decided to raise rates?

SHOCKING NEWS!


This kinda sh#t wouldn't happen under the Public Option....
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 18, 2014 - 10:19am PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]

 Did he go too far?

"Some time fear does not have to be real to be powerful, and often we don't have to have facts to back up our fears..." - word of clarification from a republican mouthpiece

EDIT: apogee -
Insurance companies have decided to raise rates?

SHOCKING NEWS!


This kinda sh#t wouldn't happen under the Public Option....

 Can we expect a republican to ever reverse any of this?
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Oct 18, 2014 - 10:24am PT
Well I guess that answers the request. Funny how when pressed for specifics, conservatives just change the subject. Seems kinda like an inability to lead by example.

My take on Pres Obama is that unemployment is the lowest in 6 years, the stock market is hugely up (despite last week's roller coaster), gas is heading to below $3/gal, healthcare is available for millions of people who couldn't get it/afford it, people are largely free to marry the person they love, we have fewer kids coming home dead/with parts missing, working day & night to undo the trillions of dollars of damage & political shitestorm that the bush family left like an unflushed doogie for him,... The list goes on, and all of this accomplished while the repugnican'ts are actively waging a legislative blockade and propaganda war on him rather than come together in a meaningful bipartisan way to DO THEIR JOBS!

Thanks!
v v v v
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 18, 2014 - 10:25am PT
^^^^^
Wonderful summary.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 18, 2014 - 10:32am PT
The list goes on, and all of this accomplished while the repugnicant's are actively waging a legislative blockade and propaganda war on him rather than come together in a meaningful bipartisan way to DO THEIR JOBS!

^^^ Agreed ^^^ Agreed ^^^

 I fear that we are asking to much from a republican to ask them to do their jobs....

But, then I remember that republicans view their jobs as to stop government, and to this end they have made huge advances all while Obama did all that without them....

They are f*#king retarded to the core! (sorry for the indiscretion, I too am retarded in a way)
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 18, 2014 - 12:19pm PT
can't afford you deductible under barrycare? no problem, you can't see your doctor, anyway

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/18/us/unable-to-meet-the-deductible-or-the-doctor.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=1


oh, the irony...
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Oct 18, 2014 - 01:04pm PT
I didn't answer your question because... for the most part... you were just being an as#@&%e.

Sorry to offend your fragile sensibilities. I'm sure no one here could say the same thing about you...

But being caught up doesn't excuse poor monitoring of healthcare workers involved with infected patients. Infected healthcare workers on planes and cruises... WTF? Slack.

Yes, it's all his fault. He is from Kenya after all and he should personally know everyone aboard an outbound African flight, even if they lie about their health status.. We should just get rid of the CDC because Obama is an expert on medicine. Do you know anything about infectious disease besides what you hear on fox or breitbart? I've been working in healthcare for almost 30 years as a researcher and as a care provider. I think I have a grasp of what real threat this virus is. What are your creds?

The stock market has been constantly pumped up by the government since Obama took office. Coincidentally, last week's freefall ended after some soothing words from Fed President James Bullard (wink, wink, nudge, nudge).

The stock market has been bouyed by the Fed since the big crash on bush's watch. Just interesting that it's done so much better under Obama's reign.

Falling oil prices may be good for consumers, but you gotta wonder what's behind the drop in demand (hint, hint).

Oooh! Conspiracy theory! Yes, it's all about the elections. Perhaps you might go on the google and find out what's really happening.

Real wages are no better than the were in April of '09 (at the bottom of the recession), even though corporate profits have skyrocketed.

Of course that depends on how you measure them. The WTI (wage trend index) has risen steadily since Q4 2013 and is projected to increase another 2% in 2015. Corporate profit reports are hugely skewed by the bailout.

And about healthcare now being available for millions of people who couldn't get it/afford it... does that explain the number of uninsured Americans was higher in the Feb '14 - April '14, than in 2013?

Don't know where you pulled that out of. The Commonwealth Fund reported in July 2014 that an additional 9.5 million people aged 19-64 had obtained health insurance, roughly 5% of the working-aged population. Gallup reported in July 2014 that the uninsured rate among adults 18 and over fell from 18.0% in Q3 2013 to 13.4% by Q2 2014. Rand Corporation had similar findings.

Gitmo is still open

Yes, that is a problem. He did promise. But I guess you expect him to be perfect on all fronts.

Iraq is seriously f*#ked up. Bush gets most of the blame. But Obama gets partial credit, too.

'Splain. British tried, Russians tried, Ghengis Khan tried. The genie's out of the bottle in the middle east and it was bush that broke it. Let's hear your plan and maybe you can email it to our fearless leader for his edification.

So, what you're really talking about is same sex marriage. I'm not sure what Obama had to do with it.

No, I'm talking about a president who has tried many, many times since Day 1 to reach a bipartisan consensus on matters important to the U.S. but has been blocked by a bunch of 12 year olds who have gone on record to say their Job #1 is to defeat President Obama, NOT to do what's best for the country. Get it?

As far as gay rights go, Obama has many times reaffirmed his belief that all citizens should be treated with respect and not discrimination. He did backtrack on his marriage stance, but that shows a leader who is willing to revisit the issue and change his views to support the majority of citizens.

Now all of a sudden the repugnican'ts are jumping on the bandwagon because they see theirs is a losing issue.

You want to live in a conservative utopia? Go to Syria and join up with ISL. They'll be happy to show you how to live under strict authoritarian rule.
Norton

Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
Oct 18, 2014 - 01:59pm PT

well, well

YOU just got OWNED

didn't you bubba?

lock, stock and barrel, OWNED

and why did this happen?


because more than anything else, you are factually ignorant, both uninformed and Misinformed, as is EVERY single Republican voting forum member who ever shot his mouth off on this thread

back to the third grade with you now
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Oct 18, 2014 - 02:29pm PT
can't afford you deductible under barrycare? no problem, you can't see your doctor, anyway

LOL!


nice comment very true!
dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 18, 2014 - 02:30pm PT
Skeptimistic, well done.
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
Oct 18, 2014 - 02:38pm PT
That bears repeating MisterE (btw, you may have not gotten the memo, but alot of the really cool are going to the eMister format) :}



sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Oct 18, 2014 - 03:20pm PT
I just saw Pearl Jam in Detroit. Rocked it out for 3 hrs. No politics or any other bullsh#t. Probably one of their best shows. I don't think I was even exposed to Ebola either. ISIS even declined to show up.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Oct 18, 2014 - 03:21pm PT
Jealous...
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Oct 18, 2014 - 03:26pm PT
32 song set list. Happy crowd. I was waiting for the splosions to start at any moment...
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Oct 18, 2014 - 03:32pm PT
Sketchy, sketchy, sketchy... Please go ahead and refute my points. I won't mind, really. There are some pretty intelligent folk here on the left who can understand your points. Or are you just another parrot for the Koch Bros?
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Oct 18, 2014 - 03:56pm PT
But, then I remember that republicans view their jobs as to stop government,

They only want to stop the part of government that they don't like while sucking off the government teat that they require.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 18, 2014 - 04:51pm PT
Obama Lunch

Sidwell Friends School:

Cauliflower Masala Soup
Roasted Vegetable & Israeli Couscous Salad
A Taste of India
Mixed Greens with Avocado & Sunflower Seeds
All-natural Chicken Curry
Vegetable Tikka Masala
Turmeric Roasted Carrots
Basmati Rice
Sliced Pineapple

Chickasha, Oklahoma public schools (under federal guidelines, aka Michelle Obama’s edict):


http://xbradtc.com/2014/10/16/obama-lunch/
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 18, 2014 - 04:59pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]

Why do republicans follow this guys every command?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 18, 2014 - 05:23pm PT
TGT, you can be a real wall-to-wall jerk sometimes.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Oct 18, 2014 - 06:40pm PT
Dave, you misread it. Her kids are eating gourmet meals at an exclusive private school, while po'' folk in oklahoma have to eat scraps & Haliburton processed food out of styrofoam containers.

It ain't fair! I remember when the bush daughters had to go dumpster diving for their meals just to be an example for the nation! Oh wait, that was a dream.
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 18, 2014 - 06:47pm PT
barry's legacy of failure in a paragraph:

"Of course you can keep your health coverage, and your doctor. And we’ll cover everyone while your premiums plummet. Meanwhile, al-Qaeda is “decimated” and these Islamic State guys are just the jayvee team. In fact (fact?), they’re not even Islamic — although they may not be quite as “secular” as the Muslim Brotherhood. Just extremists. (Extreme about what? Don’t ask.) Jihad is just a “purification of the self” . . . or, at most, “workplace violence.” Benghazi? A spontaneous “protest” incited by a video. The president was not told it was a terrorist attack . . . except by the secretary of defense right after it started — long before he responded by . . . going to Vegas, where he promptly announced al-Qaeda was “on the path to defeat.” Still, rest assured that the State Department’s top priority is the safety of American personnel . . . although we did reduce security in Benghazi after our facility was bombed. And rest assured that the Justice Department would never ever let guns walk . . . except for the thousands its Fast and Furious program transferred to violent gangs — who’ve used them in who knows how many crimes, including the murder of a Border Patrol agent. Still, at least there’s “not a smidgen of corruption” at the IRS, where citizens are harassed, evidence keeps disappearing, and the official at the center of it all takes the Fifth to avoid giving incriminating testimony. No matter. Just take heart that Ebola is not coming to the United States . . . um, well, if it does come there will be no outbreak . . . but, er, if there is an outbreak, we have careful protocols and health-care professionals fully trained to deal with it . . . and even if the protocols don’t work and the professionals don’t have adequate training, we’ll have a rigorous monitoring program for anyone who is exposed . . . or maybe a self-monitoring program for people who will isolate themselves . . . unless, of course, we tell them to go ahead and hop on a plane. Well, look, at least we can promise there won’t be a “serious” outbreak."


johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Oct 18, 2014 - 07:30pm PT
Goes both ways.

I'm not the one crying about to much government,
nor do I cry when I'm out voted.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Oct 18, 2014 - 08:15pm PT
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 19, 2014 - 09:28am PT
libs still don't understand jefferson's nonconstitutional "separation of church and state":


http://www.adfmedia.org/News/PRDetail/9364


winston smith is dead
dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 19, 2014 - 09:34am PT
Nice source there, Bookie.

One point it glosses over is the fact they are also running a business--a chapel--performing ceremonies. It is hardly a church.


I know, it's a tough time for bigots like you, times are a changing and all that.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 19, 2014 - 07:46pm PT
the conservatives lie

[Click to View YouTube Video]

offering advice to an ignorant segment of the nation
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Oct 19, 2014 - 08:04pm PT
Jingy..Those doosh nozzles are spraying the fertilizer that the 1% want to spread to protect their fragile tax breaks..
dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 20, 2014 - 12:01pm PT
Oh, ok Dixie.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 20, 2014 - 12:05pm PT
everything for the rich....

anything for the rich....

ebola for the stupid f*#kers who don't pick themselves up by the bootstraps and make millions like the rich do...

nothing is wrong...

this is normal...

return to sleep...


Edit rottingjohnny - True

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Tvash

climber
Seattle
Oct 20, 2014 - 12:13pm PT
The Hitching Post is licensed as a for profit business, not a non-profit church.

That's an important detail when discussing whether or not the state has the right to compel them to adhere to anti-discrimination statutes.

Very important.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 20, 2014 - 03:23pm PT
every republican can suck my balls because they are ball suckers

[Click to View YouTube Video]

If you are republicon....... you are as pathetic as I am and just as worthless to humanity
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Oregon
Oct 20, 2014 - 03:36pm PT

Oct 19, 2014 - 09:28am PT
libs still don't understand jefferson's nonconstitutional "separation of church and state":


http://www.adfmedia.org/News/PRDetail/9364


winston smith is dead

Wait...
You are going to tell me that there are democrats running Cour D'alene?


Hahahaha.

http://www.hcn.org/issues/45.8/how-right-wing-emigrants-conquered-north-idaho

This is the tea party run amuck.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 20, 2014 - 10:20pm PT
After watching HBO's VICE: Season 2 episode 6 I can safely say that the knight in shining armor for the right has inadvertently (and with full knowledge and intent to do so) leaked/stolen/squeezed (taxation) billions of dollars a year from America for the last 30 years....

BASED ON THIS, I RIDICULE THE RIGHT
[Click to View YouTube Video]

yeah.... ?
Bad for America, huh?
How bad is this picture looking so far?
http://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/cities/economics/how-much-money-states-make-marijuana-legalization/

Cannabis Cash: How Much Money Could Your State Make From Marijuana Legalization?
by Divya Raghavan on September 22, 2014 | posted in Cities, Economics
...
How much has Colorado made since legalizing marijuana? In the first six months of this year, the state collected $25,307,067 in taxes on the sales of marijuana. By June 2015, Colorado expects to collect up to $70 million—not very far off from our estimate of $78,157,904. Take a look at the chart to see how much each state could collect per year in sales taxes if the recreational and medical use of marijuana was made legal. Interested in future NerdWallet studies? Click here to have updates sent directly to your inbox.

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The most dangerous? Really?

Who told you that and why would you believe them?

[Click to View YouTube Video]

Oh, I see... that's right... Nancy was big on the drugs... didn't she also make an astrological reader kind of famous for taking advice from her... instead of using her brain.



Yes... we can leave it up to the right to trample on our rights as humans in the United States.
[Click to View YouTube Video]

When will we start to see the actions of the right to be what they are... Limiting to human progress
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 21, 2014 - 10:49am PT
wait, didn't barry say a travel ban would be MORE dangerous for americans?


http://www.nationaljournal.com/domesticpolicy/homeland-security-announces-travel-restrictions-to-stall-ebola-outbreak-20141021



i guess this is proof he really does hate americans
Norton

Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
Oct 21, 2014 - 11:00am PT
having sex with other people

booky

Oh what Liberalism hath wrought
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Oct 21, 2014 - 12:04pm PT
The Hitching Post is licensed as a for profit business, not a non-profit church.

That's an important detail when discussing whether or not the state has the right to compel them to adhere to anti-discrimination statutes.

Very important.

That proves too much. I doubt that a law requiring a for-profit newspaper to publish any advertisement submitted with payment would pass Constituttional muster under the First Amendment, any more than the Couer D'Alene ordinance and threatened enforcement will. Explicit First Amendment freedoms trump the general ability of government to regulate business.

More importantly, the Constitution does not disappear when one engages in activity for pay. I doubt that any serious Constitutional scholar would find a law Constitutional that says, for example, that no practicing Muslim can practice medicine, sell cars, or engage in any other "public accommmodation." While too many on the far right and far left think that the First Amendment applies only to those with whom they agree, the Constitutional jusirsprudence still says otherwise.

John
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 21, 2014 - 12:54pm PT
Pew study finds Rush Limbaugh least trustworthy news source
By Aaron Sharockman on Tuesday, October 21st, 2014 at 12:08 p.m.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2014/oct/21/pew-study-finds-rush-limbaugh-least-trustworthy-ne/


"PunditFact is tracking the accuracy of claims made on the five major networks using our network scorecards. By that measure, 61 percent of the claims fact-checked on Fox News have been rated Mostly False, False or Pants on Fire, the most among any of the major networks."


A Republican is an unreliable source of facts?

SHOCKING!

ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
Oct 21, 2014 - 01:13pm PT
That Fox is full of sh#t is no surprise. You would have to have been living in a hole to not know that "fair and balanced" really means "lies."

That the rest of the major networks are only somewhat better is truly frightening. The best, CNN, is giving false info 22% of the time... Wow. My take away from this is that getting "accurate" information these days is a time consuming and difficult process, and none of the major media outlets are reliable.

As for the rest:

• 45 percent of the claims made on NBC and MSNBC rate Mostly False, False or Pants on Fire;
• 38 percent of the claims made on CBS rate Mostly False, False or Pants on Fire;
• 36 percent of the claims made on ABC rate Mostly False, False or Pants on Fire;
• 22 percent of the claims made on CNN rate Mostly False, False or Pants on Fire.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 21, 2014 - 08:01pm PT
Interesting reading that shows repubs as corrupt.. but you all know that

The Best Investigative Reporting on Campaign Finance Since 2012

The 2012 elections shattered spending records, with outside groups such as super PACs, nonprofits, unions and corporations plowing an estimated $1.3 billion into federal campaigns. With this year's elections just two weeks away, we've rounded up some of the best investigative reporting on campaign finance. The list includes stories that provide fresh insight into what happened in 2012 and ones that get inside who's shelling out on campaigns this cycle. In addition, we've spotlighted a couple of ProPublica's stories on the subject.

John Swallow (born November 10, 1962) is a former Attorney General of Utah.[1] Just prior, he served as Chief Deputy Attorney General overseeing civil litigation. He is a member of the Republican Party.

Swallow has been a lawyer since 1990 and was a member of the Utah State House of Representatives from 1996-2002.

 So, he should know better... right?

A Campaign Inquiry in Utah Is the Watchdog's Worst Case, The New York Times, March 2014

John Swallow used to work as a lobbyist for a Utah payday-lending company. So when he decided to run for state attorney general, he turned to payday lenders to help finance his campaign. But Swallow was wary of the industry's sketchy reputation, Times reporter Nick Confessore wrote. "The solution: Hide the payday money behind a string of PACs and nonprofits, making it difficult to trace donations from payday lenders to Mr. Swallow's campaign." Swallow's tactics eventually triggered investigations by the Internal Revenue Service and the state, and Swallow resigned less than a year after his election.

Tea Party PACs Reap Money for Midterms But Spend Little on Candidates, The Washington Post, April 2014

Cutting wasteful government spending is a core tenet of the Tea Party movement. A Washington Post analysis, however, "found that some of the top national tea party groups engaged in this year's midterm elections have put just a tiny fraction of their money directly into boosting the candidates they've endorsed," the Post's Matea Gold wrote. The Senate Conservatives Fund, for instance, "paid a luxury interior design firm more than $52,000 last year to paint and decorate its Capitol Hill townhouse office."

This is only two of the stories
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 22, 2014 - 03:58am PT
libs and moral relativity:

calling a g-town law school student who wants other people to pay for her to have safe sex a slut is a moral outrage

a man stoning his own daughter for allegedly committing adultery is just another chance to show your tolerance

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2801575/isis-releases-sickening-video-clip-showing-syrian-woman-stoned-death-group-men-including-father.html



winston smith is dead
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 22, 2014 - 04:07am PT
honk if you love animals because your evuhl fossil fuel burning car is supporting ocean life while your sun and solar farms are killing critters faster than we can count

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/390850/oil-rigs-support-biodiversity-jonah-goldberg


oh, the irony...
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 22, 2014 - 04:36am PT
remove nose, spite face:

"Norman L. Reimer, executive director of the lawyers group, acknowledged that the Koch name could alienate left-leaning groups, but said the right to counsel was an issue without a partisan bent."


evuhl kochs strike again; this time they're providing good lawyers to poor people...what evuhl will they do next? build another hospital?

i'm sure this will prompt another rant by harry...maybe even eric will investigate
Norton

Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
Oct 22, 2014 - 06:23am PT
having sex with other people

booky

Oh what Liberalism hath wrought


dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 22, 2014 - 07:12am PT
Bookie is one pissed off dude.

He's mad as hell and he ain't gonna take it no more!
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 22, 2014 - 09:55am PT
So, Ron, did you send that guy $50? He'll give you the secret to success!
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Oct 22, 2014 - 10:48am PT
That proves too much. I doubt that a law requiring a for-profit newspaper to publish any advertisement submitted with payment would pass Constituttional muster under the First Amendment, any more than the Couer D'Alene ordinance and threatened enforcement will. Explicit First Amendment freedoms trump the general ability of government to regulate business.

More importantly, the Constitution does not disappear when one engages in activity for pay. I doubt that any serious Constitutional scholar would find a law Constitutional that says, for example, that no practicing Muslim can practice medicine, sell cars, or engage in any other "public accommmodation." While too many on the far right and far left think that the First Amendment applies only to those with whom they agree, the Constitutional jusirsprudence still says otherwise.

Your usually excellent analytical skills seem to depart when you discuss religion. Your analogy makes no sense.

That chapel is not a church, it is not a religion, it has no congregation and no associated religious entity, it performs civil wedding ceremonies which include the word "God", and is run by people with a religions opposition to gay marriage. The bible explicitly prohibits inter-racial marriage too, suppose those owners refused to perform an inter-racial marriage?

There are other rights involved here, this is not government regulation of business, or government regulation of religion, this is government ensuring equal protection under the law.

TE
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Oct 22, 2014 - 11:26am PT
obumbly is obviously steering us to the next big collapse.


ron you must really want these libs to leave supertopo!!!!
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Oct 22, 2014 - 12:59pm PT
Trad Eddie, I was responding to the argument that the rights of an individual engaging in an activity for profit differ significantly from those of an individual engaging in an activity not for profit. I don't find that distinction nearly as compelling, on an individual level, as Tvash apparently does.

I agree that the real issue here is balancing the right to equal protection under the Fourteenth Amendment with the rights to freedom of expression and to free exercise of religion under the First and Fourteenth Amendments.

Public accomomodation laws form an essential part of equal protection, but not without limits. I was unaware of any public accommodation case or law requiring, for example, a commercial artist to depict something contrary to that artist's beliefs until the Colorado wedding cake case, whose outcome remains to be seen.

In the case of The Hitching Post, I find the issue closer. If the proprietors are acting solely as persons licensed to officiate at civil wedding ceremonies, the case becomes overwhelmingly strong for Couer D'Alene. If they are being forced to act as pastors, on the other hand, that would be a clear First Amendment violation. No case, of which I am aware, has ever required someone to practice in a specific way that their religion holds to be obnoxious.

Note, however, that the issue doesn't hinge on profit or not-for-profit. Rather, it hinges on who the business purports to accommodate, and what is required in that accommodation. The Couer D'Alene ordinance assumes that officiating at a civil wedding ceremony is no more an expression of personal approval or disapproval whether the officiant is a pastor or the County Clerk. If, in contrast, The Hitching Post requires that any service performed adhere to specific religious guidelines, and the pastor/proprietors take appropriate measures to insure that adherence, we have a situation much closer to a regious rite than a public accommodation.

In a way, it reminds me of what lawyers are taught in professional responsibility classes, namely that "A lawyer is not a bus." This means that a lawyer is not required to take the case of everyone who comes seeking his or her services. Rather, a lawyer is free to decline a clase that the lawyer feels lacks merit, is unfair or opressive, or even one where the lawyer feels he can't get along with the client. The law limits the right only to the extent that lawyers may not refuse a representation of the disadvantaged or the oppressed solely for personal reasons that do not affect professional performance.

All of the pastors I know act the same way regarding officiating at a wedding. They reserve the right to decline to officiate if they believe doing so violates the principles of their religion, and insist on several counseling sessions with the would-be spice to make sure that the marriage is one that would be appropriate. Admittedly, though, all of those pastors only officiate as a representative of a church. If the Hitching Post will marry any heterosexual couple that is not already married to someone else, in the name of the State of Idaho rather than in the name of God, then I don't see the pastors acting as pastors. If they purport to marry in the name of God, I think Couer D'Alene has a problem.

John
crankster

Trad climber
Oct 22, 2014 - 01:17pm PT

Oct 22, 2014 - 08:56am PT
reading the secret passing of capitol gains control this am,, obumbly is obviously steering us to the next big collapse.

Ignore what you see! Ignore the facts! Listen to rightwing media! Be stupid!
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Oct 22, 2014 - 01:40pm PT
Trad Eddie, I was responding to the argument that the rights of an individual engaging in an activity for profit differ significantly from those of an individual engaging in an activity not for profit.

I agree that as a less contentious example, a catholic priest should not be 'forced' to marry a divorcee, but this case is different enough that such a comparison is not valid, and those who see it in the same light are falling for the right-wing spin intended by the original article. There appears to be no religious organization associated with this wedding chapel, if there was, it would fall under the religious exemption, so if the owners have such a sincere objection to gay marriage, they can close the doors, I'm not aware of any constitutional right to perform civil wedding ceremonies.

TE
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Oct 22, 2014 - 01:58pm PT
From your last comment, TE, we analyze this case the same way. You just do it more succinctly.

john
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 22, 2014 - 03:48pm PT
calling a g-town law school student who wants other people to pay for her to have safe sex a slut is a moral outrage

 because the religious keep reminding me that they need to be told...

No g-town law student exists who wants other people to pay for her to have safe sex....

before you respond, please look back at what you claim to know about what you are writing... you may be misrepresenting some of the facts which may skew a big portion of your argument..

Sketch -
Interesting... I find the last 9 words in this piece to be telling when I ask what my republican lead congress has done for me lately?

"Let us accept our own responsibility for the future"

And then I'm reminded that the republican party is worthless and do not have the American people in their minds when committing their acts of congress...

The question I have is... once the election happens and another democrat or independent candidate wins... who is going to own the future this congress has doomed us to?


I say us... as I'm going to be here when this bill comes due!!!

the republlicans constantly ducking responsibility for their actions... in church... in the ballot box... in public office.... in the lines in the grocers market.....


Book
evuhl kochs strike again; this time they're providing good lawyers to poor people...what evuhl will they do next? build another hospital?

 all good deeds done by these ultra rich, ultra snob, f*#k-sticks have 0 integrity and the environment is included in the big beautiful pictures painted in the news by the ultra rich, ultra snob, f*#k-stick media... hell... its even showing up in climbing forum threads too...
dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 22, 2014 - 04:54pm PT
Scooch is an authority on whining.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 22, 2014 - 05:13pm PT
Jingy - you're too much... using a quote on personal responsibility as a soapbox for whining about your own victimhood.

 funny you mention being a victim....

I can charactorize this congress as waging a war of sloth on the American people...

I, and the future generations, we are the victims of congress's inactivity...

But you are right.... I am not a victim...
I'm an American... and Americans are never victims, they are always better than everyone else...

Is that better? Would you approve that message?

Rewrite it all you want... We are all victims of this inept republican lead congress
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 23, 2014 - 07:03am PT
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 23, 2014 - 09:17am PT
Watching this mornings Democracy Now programing reminds me of why republicans are wrong about everything...
[Click to View YouTube Video]

There was a discussion on the 4 Blackwater contractors who were found guilty in their trial(s)

These guys... were guilty.

One paper's write up....

Another paper's story

And another paper's story

yet... another

I say they were guilty of being rich arrogant pricks who happened into a job that required them to behave like animals, barbarians, and criminals... Yet not a word will be uttered about maybe getting rid of the notion that America can just run around at will and indiscriminately kill people of other nations.

All I have to go by, for the private army's to exist, is their word that they are doing good.

Just remember, freedom is just a name change away when you are a corrupt criminal organization with lawyers on your payroll... and you are American... so no one will question you... you may do as you please.


Republicans got us into that war. Republicans loosened the rules on everything from your drinking water to how to engage with the enemy on a battlefield and the interrogation room.

Yes, democratic statesmen were complicit in all of it... but what else could they have been at the time... "You are either with us or against us" means you sit the f*#k down and shut the f*#k up.... when republicans are in town...

But these should be the times when we ask the most questions or out elected officials, in my opinion...

But of course, this will never happen... the questions will never come. Those who have what they need are not going to upset the applecart, and those who do not have have little choice in the matter.



other news reports on the trials outcome.. and more on blackwater background:
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[Click to View YouTube Video]



The lies of the right wing government players
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Braunini

Big Wall climber
cupertino
Oct 23, 2014 - 01:32pm PT
lol sweet politard tears

best thing Dr. F ever did
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 24, 2014 - 06:28am PT
lucky for you libs that we're wrong on the 2nd amendment:

http://bearingarms.com/winning-war-women-nc-grandfather-takes-three-rapists/


true, having a dialogue with the rapists might have produced the same result, but i hope you never have to test your theory...and if you do, i hope your neighbor is as wrong as this grandpa
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 26, 2014 - 04:32pm PT
libs' favorite bureaucracy goes after another evuhl business owner (you know, the ones that don't create jobs):


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/26/us/law-lets-irs-seize-accounts-on-suspicion-no-crime-required.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpSum&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=1


but it's ok because she "didn't build that"
Norton

Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
Oct 26, 2014 - 05:37pm PT
"having sex with other people"

Oh my Booky, what Liberalism Hath Wrought
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 28, 2014 - 09:04am PT
lap dogs FINALLY biting the hand that has repeatedly swatted it:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2014/10/27/usa-todays-susan-page-obama-administration-most-dangerous-to-media-in-history/?hpid=z2


oh, the irony...
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Oct 28, 2014 - 09:46am PT
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 28, 2014 - 10:16am PT
Oct 28, 2014 - 09:32am PT
But... but... but...

President Obama is one of the good guys.

Remember "Hope and Change"?

Remember "We're the most transparent and ethical administration in US history"?

He promised.

 
 
I do remember....

Boy, we were some really patriotic, and proud Americans back then... We had such high hopes...

It's almost as though the right wing only wants to be the story tellers... They never want to sit back and listen... Maybe offer constructive suggestions...

What a time it was. To be free of all the nasty terrorist threats... Those are the good old days I long for.....



Moreover Edit:
http://blogs.rollcall.com/hill-navigator/congress-averaging-70-hour-work-week/?dcz=thoughtleader

Who runs congress now?
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 28, 2014 - 10:36pm PT
this is too funny to leave out....

pure genius!!!

[Click to View YouTube Video]

Hey repubs.... please explain Gohmert for us?
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 29, 2014 - 03:36am PT
the most racist, hateful, bigoted political video you've ever seen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUSRZo1BE5o

BOOM!


why do formerly incarcerated black men hate black politicians so much?

just another cog in the vast right-wing conspiracy?

just another bunch of uncle toms?



what's a lib to do when black men speak the truth about liberal policies while standing in the middle of the evidence of what those policies produce?


oh, right, ignore the argument and attack me...spew away
dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2014 - 05:42am PT
So what, you sniveling little naysaying half-wit. His rating is still above Truman, who was a great president. The Affordable Care Act will be remembered as one of the greatest accomplishments by a modern President. Yes, heck of a job Mr. President.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Oct 29, 2014 - 06:25am PT
Sketch crushes yet another poster...Oooh..
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Oct 29, 2014 - 06:40am PT
The link Bookworm posted on the ex-cons is very sobering and is a small look into how single party rule breeds corruption in cities like Detroit or Chicago. This type of corruption is a human condition, not a partisan one. Each party has it's own excesses, and the opposition keeps em honest.

bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 29, 2014 - 08:04am PT
"This type of corruption is a human condition, not a partisan one."

well, you're half right...can you point to a single city/state with one party rule by republicans that has suffered the same decay? that has similar long-term failures in the economy, poverty, education, crime, etc.?


so, even with all the evidence of the failure of liberal policies, libs will continue to pursue these policies and continue to heap misery on the constituencies they claim to care about most...some would call that behavior insanity; i call it institutionalized racism
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 29, 2014 - 08:08am PT
here's another black man who understands the poison of lib policies:

http://www.suffernofoolsfilm.com/preview.php

johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Oct 29, 2014 - 08:28am PT
Yes bookworm, take a look at how well Kansas has done under
republican policies.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Oct 29, 2014 - 08:35am PT

Bookworm wrote:
well, you're half right...can you point to a single city/state with one party rule by republicans that has suffered the same decay? that has similar long-term failures in the economy, poverty, education, crime, etc.?


The excesses are manifested in different ways. Some Southern conservative areas have needed federal intervention to racially equalize opportunities in schools and employment. This is unfortunate, because the idea of federalism, or states rights, is a cornerstone of our country's founding.


Too many partisans are unable to recapitulate an opposing position, exposing their own biases and prejudices.
Diversity of thought is the most important diversity that a free, strong and independent society can ever possess.
How this diversity is rejected by partisans is so ironic.
dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2014 - 08:36am PT
well, you're half right...can you point to a single city/state with one party rule by republicans that has suffered the same decay? that has similar long-term failures in the economy, poverty, education, crime, etc.?


The USA, circa 2006. The Great Recession began only a few months after they left office.
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Oct 29, 2014 - 08:52am PT
Larry Pressler(D) ex senator and congressman from South Dakota
is running as an Independent this time.
South Dakota is a red state. In one of his ads he's
asked, by a Repulican voter, if he was in favor of 'Obammacare'.
He said, "if Romney would have won we'd be calling it Romneycare
and everyone would be happy now."

Pressler is the senator that turned down the FBI's 'ABSCAM'
and the model for the movie "American Hustle".
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Oct 29, 2014 - 09:00am PT
Dirtbag wrote:
The USA, circa 2006. The Great Recession began only a few months after they left office.

I would posit that the recession had many causes, the primary cause being a collapse of ethics in our culture. Everybody wanted something for nothing. Left, right, rich, poor. There are also natural cycles in business, and other aspects of society, that has little to do with partisan social policy.
The banks want to privatize profits and socialize losses. The poor wanted substandard loans they couldn't afford to reap the equity build up of the housing bubble. The left and right only point fingers at each other.
Our culture is one of narcissistic instant gratification without responsibilities. We are reaping what we sowed. We have the "leaders" we deserve.
dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2014 - 09:09am PT
Larry the republicans in 2006 created one huge stinking mess of corruption and hubris. Remember Tom Delay?

And frankly, the "Both sides do it" mantra is simply not true. I don't remember any party ever overtly obstructing basic government functioning as much as the current republican congress. Shutdowns, defaults etc.: they are nothing more than anti-government pukes, uninterested in governing. It will get a lot worse come January.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Oct 29, 2014 - 09:33am PT
Gas prices down steeply.


U.S. stock market S & P 500 average has nearly doubled in the last 5 years.



All Obama's fault, with the Republicans trying to destroy our nation and make him look bad every step of the way.

Why does anyone want to vote Republican: the party of failure?
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Oct 29, 2014 - 12:17pm PT
Dirtbag, (Dang, I feel like I'm going ad hominem...hee hee)

Tom Delay is not a nice man. The Texas prosecutor who targeted him is not a nice man either. Politics is a sewer. Your heroes are swimming in the same crap as those you despise. Washington DC is a bubble of power hungry narcissists getting rich off of taxpayers.
Check out the business holdings of the husbands of Nancy Pelosi or Diane Feinstein. Look how much Goldman Sachs or General Electric contributed to Obama, then look at what they pay in taxes. The Democrats have been in power for 6 years. They are the ones on the hot seat now. If the same standards they applied to Bush now apply to them, they own this underemployed economy.(In actuality, the economy runs in cycles that too often are blamed on politicians, or too often politicians taking credit)
After 6 years, blaming Bush or racism rings hollow. Jon Stewart said 2 years ago that the race card was overdrawn.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 29, 2014 - 12:20pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 29, 2014 - 06:16pm PT
- and conservative is way better option...

[Click to View YouTube Video]

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 29, 2014 - 06:22pm PT
Democrat criminals!

[Click to View YouTube Video]


Sorry for being redundant.
Norton

Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
Oct 29, 2014 - 06:31pm PT
I would posit that the recession had many causes, the primary cause being a collapse of ethics in our culture. Everybody wanted something for nothing. Left, right, rich, poor

you actually would posit that the collapse of ethics was a real cause of the 2007 Recession?

Really?

Odd, because the real cause was the explosion of financial derivatives which caused the intense credit contraction, which put the economy into three quarters of negative GDP growth (the classic definition of Recession_

and would you like to know which party had the Presidency, the Senate, and the House for six years in a row leading up to and including the start of the worst economic collapse in the USA since the Great Depression = that would be the Republicans



I could go on and on, but then I don't want you to stop believing that it was moral decay instead........
dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2014 - 06:40pm PT
The Democrats have been in power for 6 years.

Wrong, Larry. It is a divided government.

Republicans control the House.

They have veto power in the Senate, which they have used, or threatened to use, unsparingly.

Republicans in the legislature have been uncompromising, threatening such stunts as shutdowns and debt defaults to get their way. Between that and vetoes, they have stymied the Legislative Branch.

And, it is a conservative Supreme Court. Citizens United, anyone?

So that is two out of three branches of gvoernment.

Dems have the White House.

Again, quit playing the "They both do it" card. It is true in a few instances, but often not.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 29, 2014 - 06:42pm PT
Mitt Romney and Hillary Clinton were walking down the street when they came to a homeless person.
Then Romney gave the homeless person his business card and told him to come to his office for a job.
He then took $20 out of his pocket and gave it to the homeless person.
Hillary was very impressed, so when they came to another homeless person, she decided to help. She walked over to the homeless person and gave him directions to the welfare office. She then reached into Romney’s pocket and got out $20. She kept $15 for her administrative fees and gave the homeless person $5.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Oct 29, 2014 - 09:40pm PT
And then Hillary tried to give Romney a courtesy reach-around and discovered that he didn't have a dick...
crankster

Trad climber
Oct 30, 2014 - 01:36am PT
Mitt thinks a homeless person is someone with a house a block away from the beach instead of one on it.
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 30, 2014 - 02:54am PT
“It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.” With these words Dickens began his famous novel A Tale of Two Cities. But this cannot, alas, be said about our own terrible century. Men have for millennia destroyed each other, but the deeds of Attila the Hun, Genghis Khan, Napoleon (who introduced mass killings in war), even the Armenian massacres, pale into insignificance before the Russian Revolution and its aftermath: the oppression, torture, murder which can be laid at the doors of Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, and the systematic falsification of information which prevented knowledge of these horrors for years—these are unparalleled. They were not natural disasters, but preventable human crimes, and whatever those who believe in historical determinism may think, they could have been averted.

I speak with particular feeling, for I am a very old man, and I have lived through almost the entire century. My life has been peaceful and secure, and I feel almost ashamed of this in view of what has happened to so many other human beings. I am not a historian, and so I cannot speak with authority on the causes of these horrors. Yet perhaps I can try.

They were, in my view, not caused by the ordinary negative human sentiments, as Spinoza called them—fear, greed, tribal hatreds, jealousy, love of power—though of course these have played their wicked part. They have been caused, in our time, by ideas; or rather, by one particular idea. It is paradoxical that Karl Marx, who played down the importance of ideas in comparison with impersonal social and economic forces, should, by his writings, have caused the transformation of the twentieth century, both in the direction of what he wanted and, by reaction, against it. The German poet Heine, in one of his famous writings, told us not to underestimate the quiet philosopher sitting in his study; if Kant had not undone theology, he declared, Robespierre might not have cut off the head of the King of France.




He predicted that the armed disciples of the German philosophers—Fichte, Schelling, and the other fathers of German nationalism—would one day destroy the great monuments of Western Europe in a wave of fanatical destruction before which the French Revolution would seem child’s play. This may have been unfair to the German metaphysicians, yet Heine’s central idea seems to me valid: in a debased form, the Nazi ideology did have roots in German anti-Enlightenment thought. There are men who will kill and maim with a tranquil conscience under the influence of the words and writings of some of those who are certain that they know perfection can be reached.

Let me explain. If you are truly convinced that there is some solution to all human problems, that one can conceive an ideal society which men can reach if only they do what is necessary to attain it, then you and your followers must believe that no price can be too high to pay in order to open the gates of such a paradise. Only the stupid and malevolent will resist once certain simple truths are put to them. Those who resist must be persuaded; if they cannot be persuaded, laws must be passed to restrain them; if that does not work, then coercion, if need be violence, will inevitably have to be used—if necessary, terror, slaughter. Lenin believed this after reading Das Kapital, and consistently taught that if a just, peaceful, happy, free, virtuous society could be created by the means he advocated, then the end justified any methods that needed to be used, literally any.

The root conviction which underlies this is that the central questions of human life, individual or social, have one true answer which can be discovered. It can and must be implemented, and those who have found it are the leaders whose word is law. The idea that to all genuine questions there can be only one true answer is a very old philosophical notion. The great Athenian philosophers, Jews and Christians, the thinkers of the Renaissance and the Paris of Louis XIV, the French radical reformers of the eighteenth century, the revolutionaries of the nineteenth—however much they differed about what the answer was or how to discover it (and bloody wars were fought over this)—were all convinced that they knew the answer, and that only human vice and stupidity could obstruct its realization.

This is the idea of which I spoke, and what I wish to tell you is that it is false. Not only because the solutions given by different schools of social thought differ, and none can be demonstrated by rational methods—but for an even deeper reason. The central values by which most men have lived, in a great many lands at a great many times—these values, almost if not entirely universal, are not always harmonious with each other. Some are, some are not. Men have always craved for liberty, security, equality, happiness, justice, knowledge, and so on. But complete liberty is not compatible with complete equality—if men were wholly free, the wolves would be free to eat the sheep. Perfect equality means that human liberties must be restrained so that the ablest and the most gifted are not permitted to advance beyond those who would inevitably lose if there were competition. Security, and indeed freedoms, cannot be preserved if freedom to subvert them is permitted. Indeed, not everyone seeks security or peace, otherwise some would not have sought glory in battle or in dangerous sports.

Justice has always been a human ideal, but it is not fully compatible with mercy. Creative imagination and spontaneity, splendid in themselves, cannot be fully reconciled with the need for planning, organization, careful and responsible calculation. Knowledge, the pursuit of truth—the noblest of aims—cannot be fully reconciled with the happiness or the freedom that men desire, for even if I know that I have some incurable disease this will not make me happier or freer. I must always choose: between peace and excitement, or knowledge and blissful ignorance. And so on.

So what is to be done to restrain the champions, sometimes very fanatical, of one or other of these values, each of whom tends to trample upon the rest, as the great tyrants of the twentieth century have trampled on the life, liberty, and human rights of millions because their eyes were fixed upon some ultimate golden future?

I am afraid I have no dramatic answer to offer: only that if these ultimate human values by which we live are to be pursued, then compromises, trade-offs, arrangements have to be made if the worst is not to happen. So much liberty for so much equality, so much individual self-expression for so much security, so much justice for so much compassion. My point is that some values clash: the ends pursued by human beings are all generated by our common nature, but their pursuit has to be to some degree controlled—liberty and the pursuit of happiness, I repeat, may not be fully compatible with each other, nor are liberty, equality, and fraternity.

So we must weigh and measure, bargain, compromise, and prevent the crushing of one form of life by its rivals. I know only too well that this is not a flag under which idealistic and enthusiastic young men and women may wish to march—it seems too tame, too reasonable, too bourgeois, it does not engage the generous emotions. But you must believe me, one cannot have everything one wants—not only in practice, but even in theory. The denial of this, the search for a single, overarching ideal because it is the one and only true one for humanity, invariably leads to coercion. And then to destruction, blood—eggs are broken, but the omelette is not in sight, there is only an infinite number of eggs, human lives, ready for the breaking. And in the end the passionate idealists forget the omelette, and just go on breaking eggs.

I am glad to note that toward the end of my long life some realization of this is beginning to dawn. Rationality, tolerance, rare enough in human history, are not despised. Liberal democracy, despite everything, despite the greatest modern scourge of fanatical, fundamentalist nationalism, is spreading. Great tyrannies are in ruins, or will be—even in China the day is not too distant. I am glad that you to whom I speak will see the twenty-first century, which I feel sure can be only a better time for mankind than my terrible century has been. I congratulate you on your good fortune; I regret that I shall not see this brighter future, which I am convinced is coming. With all the gloom that I have been spreading, I am glad to end on an optimistic note. There really are good reasons to think that it is justified.

© The Isaiah Berlin Literary Trust 2014
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 30, 2014 - 03:28am PT
"Half of the MIT students surveyed think it's possible to "accidently" rape someone. When you consider undergraduates alone, this rises to 67 percent."

http://reason.com/blog/2014/10/28/1-in-6-mit-students-sexually-assaulted


bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 30, 2014 - 03:33am PT
a lib's definition of "one of the greatest accomplishments of any modern president":

http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/barbara-boland/over-214000-doctors-opt-out-obamacare-exchanges


because, uh, doctors are evuhl? ergo, any health care system that discourages participation by doctors is...uh..."great"?


read the berlin speech above to learn (be reminded) what happens when people believe government can run our lives better than we can
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 30, 2014 - 05:45am PT
The Republicans control Congress with 45 Senate seats?

Yes, they do. With the filibuster rules now in effect a party needs 60 seats to control the senate.

The same with California, the Republican minority could, and did, block any fiscally sound spending bills. It wasn't until the Democrats achieved a super-majority that California got back on a sound fiscal footing.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Oct 30, 2014 - 05:56am PT
Gary wrote
Yes, they do. With the filibuster rules now in effect a party needs 60 seats to control the senate.

How did the Affordable Care Act pass without 60 votes?


Bookworm,
Interesting essay by Asaiah Berlin. I like philosophical discussions over the political finger pointing. The essay reminds me of the zero sum relationship between liberty and security.

I am also reminded of this quote by an unknown author:
"The problem with capitalism, is capitalists.
The problem with socialism, is socialism."
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 30, 2014 - 06:00am PT
don't fret, libs; i'm sure it wasn't "rape rape":

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/10/30/roman-polanski-questioned-in-poland-about-177-sex-with-minor-case/?intcmp=features


you can still give him awards and throw him parties
dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 30, 2014 - 06:01am PT
Oh sketch,

Please refresh my memory:
Who controlled the house house then?
Who controlled the Supreme Court?
Who controlled the senate then?
Who was our president?

Compared to now:
How many times did the dems threaten to filibuster legislation or appointments they disliked?
How many bills were passed?
Hoe many times did the dems threaten to shutdown the government when they did not get their way? Or seriously threaten to default?

I think you aspire to be a dickhead, but you aren't bright enough to pull it off. Keep trying...
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 30, 2014 - 06:05am PT
once again, it seems the "science" isn't settled:

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/10/christies_quarantine_policy_attacked_by_aclu_cdc_and_even_the_un_is_embraced_by_2011_nobel_prize_win.html#incart_river


hey, since when did the nobel committee start giving prizes to racist haters...and "denires"?
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 30, 2014 - 06:09am PT
holy crap, the hits just keep coming...it's almost like there's an election coming soon:

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/10/why-are-liberal-cities-so-unaffordable/382045/


when will libs admit the failure of their policies? how much empirical evidence does it take to convert a lib? oh, right, who needs evidence when you have barry...the man who promised to "heal the planet" and "make the waters recede"?
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 30, 2014 - 06:12am PT
ok, this one's just for fun:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1XGPvbWn0A


exit question: what's the difference between a polite greeting/compliment and "harrassment"? the vid seems to blur the lines...perhaps libs would prefer we not communicate at all...but then, how would we be able to "give consent"?
Norton

Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
Oct 30, 2014 - 06:13am PT
How did the Affordable Care Act pass without 60 votes?
\


the Dems had 58 of their own plus the two Independent Senators joined them


oh come on, you knew that, or could have googled it, right?
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 30, 2014 - 06:59am PT
Norton beat me to it. Thanks, Norton.

Did they change the rules, giving additional power to filibusters?

Yes, it used to be that you had to "filibuster", that is extend debate by speaking endlessly. In the '70s they changed the rule, so it was no longer required to speak on the floor, thus creating the "virtual" filibuster of today.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Oct 30, 2014 - 07:17am PT
More bad news for all you that hate America.

From Bloomberg News: http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/us-economy-up-35percent-in-3rd-quarter-capping-best-6-months-in-over-a-decade/ar-BBc2vQU

The economy in the U.S. expanded more than forecast in the third quarter, capping its strongest six months in more than a decade, as gains in government spending and a shrinking trade deficit made up for a slowdown in household purchases.

Gross domestic product grew at a 3.5 percent annualized rate in the three months ended September after a 4.6 percent gain in the second quarter, Commerce Department figures showed today in Washington. It marked the strongest back-to-back readings since the last six months of 2003.

Growing oil production is limiting imports and contributing to a pickup in manufacturing, allowing the economy to overcome slowing growth in overseas markets from Europe to China. At the same time, job gains and cheaper gasoline are giving American consumers the confidence and the means to spend, brightening the outlook for the holiday-shopping season and helping explain why the Federal Reserve ended its bond-buying program yesterday.


Improving consumer sentiment may help lift the biggest part of the economy this quarter. Confidence this month jumped to a seven-year high, according to figures from the Conference Board.


It appears the only people that refuse to accept that things are going great in America are the "Nabobs of Negativity" on Fox News and their disciples that post on ST.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Oct 30, 2014 - 07:45am PT
Perhaps that last part... about being dickhead, but not bright enough was more about your insecurities, than anything else.

perhaps not.
WBraun

climber
Oct 30, 2014 - 08:28am PT
A senior Obama administration official has described Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as a “chickensh#t,”
expressing the US president’s frustration with the Israeli leader.

I told you Obama can't stand that world stage genocide terrorist creating aszhole Netanyahu.

Most of the Republicans bow down and kiss the ring of that world wide terrorist prick Netanyahu .....
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 30, 2014 - 08:49am PT
Both Dems and Repubs have histories involving criminal behavior...

 yah, but... the south!
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 30, 2014 - 09:07am PT
winston smith is dead


http://www.nationalreview.com/article/391404/our-make-it-world-victor-davis-hanson


Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 30, 2014 - 09:11am PT
Frank Smith - I agree

Some Dems have been involved in criminal behavior, yes


The Entire Republican Party IS an Organized Criminal Racket all about siphoning money off you and me to line their pockets and turn America into wage slaves

Have you ever read what they want to do?
You should check it out
Eliminate the ACA
Eliminate SS
Eliminate Medicare
Eliminate Public schools, the EPA, The CDC,

They want everything you don't want, they just never tell you that, all they will tell you is how bad the Dems are,
It's all part of using the media as propaganda.

 I'm likening this discussion to how Harris sees Islam... Republicans are the Motherload Of Bad Ideas!

Hahhahahha

Repubs want to get rid of the CDC... possibly the only people smart enough to help with infected people... But that never touches the upper 1%... so we can get rid of that stuff after all...

Greatest Country In The World!

I know I'm not supposed to be bigoted... but much like my acceptance of Islam even with its bombing few... I also feel I can't call all repubs infected just because I feel that most are against humans,for corporations and money more than anything else.



I wonder if republicans are in charge over at the red cross, now that I see stories of it has been administered...


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This reminds me of republican efforts to help the people...

"Since we can't help people in this country, how can we make people 'think' that we help people", without ever actually helping people...

To me, that is the republican party
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 30, 2014 - 11:25am PT

I told you Obama can't stand that world stage genocide terrorist creating aszhole Netanyahu.

Most of the Republicans bow down and kiss the ring of that world wide terrorist prick Netanyahu .....

 Watch out werner.... you're going to loose some friends with that sentiment.. Take it from the friendless one!

LOL
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Oct 30, 2014 - 12:20pm PT
Millions have lost their house, their job, their health and Thousands have died all because of Republican Policies

In an alternate universe, perhaps. Republicans tried to correct the policies leading to the housing bubble that inevitably burst, but Democrats, with, ironically, Mssrs. Dodd and Frank leading the charge, prevented the needed action. Now their eponymous, nefarious, Act adds cost and no benefit to the banking system.

Yes, we could have had millions of good paying jobs. The funny thing is, we still have millions of good paying jobs. The question is how many more millions of good paying jobs we would have had if the Democrats' policies had not given us the weakest recovery of any post-war recession.

Meanwhile, the Democrats pretend that their actions didn't happen, and that the world is flat. Examples: (1) Hillary Clinton saying businesses don't create jobs, or that policies that enable businesses to employ more people constitute "trickle-down economics;" (2) Democrats running for Senate who won't mention Obama by name or say whether they voted for him; (3) Democrats alleging that they want to fix the ACA, but who allow Harry Reid to prevent any votes on any legislation that would do so; etc., etc.

But I digress, since facts have no place in the Democrats' discussion of their perceived reality. And besides, with a little "recalibration," they can change Republican votes to votes for Democrats.

John
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 30, 2014 - 12:22pm PT
Welcome back, F!

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 30, 2014 - 12:23pm PT
"In an alternate universe, perhaps. Republicans tried to correct the policies leading to the housing bubble that inevitably burst, but Democrats, with, ironically, Mssrs. Dodd and Frank leading the charge, prevented the needed action."


The appropriate response is contained in the very same paragraph.

In an alternate universe, perhaps.
dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 30, 2014 - 12:37pm PT

Oct 30, 2014 - 06:16am PT
dirtbag

climber

Topic Author's Reply - Oct 30, 2014 - 06:01am PT
Oh sketch,

Please refresh my memory:
Who controlled the house house then?
Who controlled the Supreme Court?
Who controlled the senate then?
Who was our president?

Compared to now:
How many times did the dems threaten to filibuster legislation or appointments they disliked?
How many bills were passed?
Hoe many times did the dems threaten to shutdown the government when they did not get their way? Or seriously threaten to default?

I think you aspire to be a dickhead, but you aren't bright enough to pull it off. Keep trying...

"House house then"? Derp.

All those questions... what time period are you talking about?

"Now"?

Again, what are you talking about?

Nice finish... calling me dickhead and an idiot.

You can't seem to compose a coherent post, but you're quick with the lame name-calling.

Perhaps that last part... about being dickhead, but not bright enough was more about your insecurities, than anything else.


LOL, poor little butthurt sketch. Picks apart an iPhone related typo instead of refuting the points. But, that's what little people do.

Keep trying, and maybe someday you'll fulfill your aspiration.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Oct 30, 2014 - 01:25pm PT
Stock market up again today to near record territory.

Most all U.S. economic news is good.

From Bloomberg News: http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/us-economy-up-35percent-in-3rd-quarter-capping-best-6-months-in-over-a-decade/ar-BBc2vQU


The economy in the U.S. expanded more than forecast in the third quarter, capping its strongest six months in more than a decade, as gains in government spending and a shrinking trade deficit made up for a slowdown in household purchases.

Gross domestic product grew at a 3.5 percent annualized rate in the three months ended September after a 4.6 percent gain in the second quarter, Commerce Department figures showed today in Washington. It marked the strongest back-to-back readings since the last six months of 2003.

Growing oil production is limiting imports and contributing to a pickup in manufacturing, allowing the economy to overcome slowing growth in overseas markets from Europe to China. At the same time, job gains and cheaper gasoline are giving American consumers the confidence and the means to spend, brightening the outlook for the holiday-shopping season and helping explain why the Federal Reserve ended its bond-buying program yesterday.

Improving consumer sentiment may help lift the biggest part of the economy this quarter. Confidence this month jumped to a seven-year high, according to figures from the Conference Board.

What economy are you folks whinning about? The one you see on Fox News or the real one?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 30, 2014 - 01:28pm PT
Yep, everything is pretty good right now except employee wages...they haven't moved much at all.

Evidence that in spite of the obvious Obama economic policy successes, and record profits everywhere in the corporate sectors, they haven't allowed this to 'trickle down' to the those who are actually doing the work.

Still, this kind of corporate selfishness is Obama's fault.

donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Oct 30, 2014 - 01:31pm PT
They're morons Fritz....or would dunce, blockhead, ninny, bonehead or twit better fit the bill?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 30, 2014 - 01:34pm PT
Sketch, as part of the self-appointed ST grammar nazis, I can tell you that going after anyone here for spelling, syntax, grammar, etc. glitches is a fool's errand. Just stick to simple name calling. It's much more effective.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 30, 2014 - 01:35pm PT
Obama should have given everyone a raise. It's that simple.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 30, 2014 - 01:38pm PT
(1) Hillary Clinton saying businesses don't create jobs, or that policies that enable businesses to employ more people constitute "trickle-down economics;"

 Wasn't this desperate back when it was first rolled out?

Do you have any evidence that this myth (IMO) has worked? Or is this just how the system works as you see it?

Or was it the case that since reagen we've seen only the benefits of this myth when the republicans were in office...?

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 30, 2014 - 01:54pm PT
Elizabeth Warren: Not running, still vexing Hillary Clinton

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/10/elizabeth-warren-not-running-still-vexing-hillary-clinton-112330.html?cmpid=sf

"The side-by-side appearance was a reminder that Clinton is still learning the language of the new economic populism, which formed in the shadow of the 2008 financial crisis during a period when she was focused on foreign affairs. Her remarks — including a misdelivered line about businesses not creating jobs — added another scrap to the narrative pile that she is a reactive campaigner, who will bend if it’s politically expedient."
dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 30, 2014 - 02:27pm PT
Care to refute my points, Butthurt?



Or are you going to continue to be the grammar nazi, which is what wannabe dickheads do when they lack the mental capacity to be real dickheads?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 30, 2014 - 02:29pm PT
Hey! I resemble that remark!
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 30, 2014 - 04:03pm PT
Democrat family values.

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/how-did-alan-graysons-wife-get-approved-public-ass/nhtMk/
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Oct 30, 2014 - 04:42pm PT
Dang, I take off for 10 hours to work and this thread turns into a food fight. Can't I leave you kids alone?

Norton wrote:
the Dems had 58 of their own plus the two Independent Senators joined them
oh come on, you knew that, or could have googled it, right?

Yeah, my bad, just got lazy and mis-remembered.
I remembered Scott Brown winning the Kennedy seat after campaigning on opposing the ACA. It was as close as it could be, but is now the law.

Frank Smith wrote:
Have you ever read what they want to do?
You should check it out
Eliminate the ACA
Eliminate SS
Eliminate Medicare
Eliminate Public schools, the EPA, The CDC,

Frank, that is one long list of strawmen. The ACA was controversial, but the other programs were all bi-partisan programs supported by most of the country. No one I know or have heard of, other than fringe wackos, want to eliminate any but the ACA.
A famous pundit once said "He is an arsonist in a field of strawmen".

Anyhow, it doesn't appear that some minds are open to legitimate opposing views when their social policy beliefs take on a religious fervor that Jimmie Swaggart would blush at.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 30, 2014 - 05:13pm PT
Criminals!

[Click to View YouTube Video]
Norton

Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
Oct 30, 2014 - 05:31pm PT
Frank, that is one long list of strawmen. The ACA was controversial, but the other programs were all bi-partisan programs supported by most of the country. No one I know or have heard of, other than fringe wackos, want to eliminate any but the ACA.
A famous pundit once said "He is an arsonist in a field of strawmen".

actually, the ACA was opposed but every single voting Republican in the US Congress,
the word controversial is quite benign as a description, they screamed their asses off that the new healthcare bill had Death Panels, would actually kill people, would be the Death of America, on and on

now Medicare and Social Security?

those programs now beloved by almost all Americans were created by Democrats, voted into law by Democratic majorities and signed into law by Democratic Presidents.

And make not mistake about this fact, that although yes a much smaller number of Republicans did vote for those programs, more of them voted against them, and the same language was used by Republicans in the era of their creation in addition to screaming how "Socialism" , shades of Hitler, the bankrupting of American, the Death of America the Repubs screamed back in the 30s and the 60s when SS and Medicare came into being by Democratic initiatives, my point is that using the word "bi partisan" to describe their support back then is, well, a very inaccurate description
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Oregon
Oct 30, 2014 - 05:38pm PT
Yeah. Now our heath care is nearly as good as Bolivia's

Give us another century and it might be as good as Cuba's.

And in another millennium it might approach the First World Nations.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 30, 2014 - 07:01pm PT
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
Oct 30, 2014 - 07:16pm PT
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/lindsey-graham-promises-results-white-men

South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, who is toying with the idea of a presidential bid, joked in a private gathering this month that “white men who are in male-only clubs are going to do great in my presidency,” according to an audio recording of his comments provided to CNN. […]

OMFG! I guess that I should not be surprised, but I am. How could anyone ever consider voting for this kind of as#@&%e. Even if you agree with him, which I don't, the incompetence displayed by getting caught saying this stuff is pretty stunning. Then again, Ron probably has a picture of this d#@&%e on the ceiling above his bed.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 30, 2014 - 07:17pm PT
^^^^
Bwahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa!

+1

No, +10000000000
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Oct 30, 2014 - 07:17pm PT
What Makes People Vote Republican?
Jonathan Haidt

http://edge.org/conversation/what-makes-vote-republican

This guy is a secular liberal with an open mind toward other viewpoints. There is something for every persuasion in this essay. The discussion that follows is worth reading also. Why heck, folks might learn to debate in a civil manner. What a concept.

I admit that I once called someone a name here. But he even calls himself Dirtbag.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Oct 30, 2014 - 07:38pm PT
TGT! This cartoon is for you!


In a long-ago college class, an instructor lectured us about working our intellects towards having “original thoughts.”

He explained that children adopt the thoughts of their parents. Then later, if they found reason to doubt the thoughts and beliefs of their parents, they might fall into a group of influential friends, and adopt their thoughts.

Occasionally, developing students might learn to question the thoughts and beliefs that have been adopted from their parents, friends, or culture, and start thinking for them-selves.

They would then think “original thoughts.”

It appears conservatives don’t have “original thoughts.”
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 30, 2014 - 07:39pm PT
HE RAMMED OBAMACARE DOWN OUR THROATS

 and we're a whole lot better off for it today....

and only 9.5 million previously uninsured got to benefit from it...

man...
WBraun

climber
Oct 30, 2014 - 07:42pm PT
... an instructor lectured us about working our intellects towards having “original thoughts.”

You are dreaming.

Not one mortal person ever has any original thought.

All thoughts are already there in pure consciousness.

We just pull them out from there according to our level of developed consciousness.

You politards are at the lowest levels of consciousness for a human worst than animals .....
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 30, 2014 - 07:46pm PT
it is also about binding groups together, supporting essential institutions, and living in a sanctified and noble way. When Republicans say that Democrats "just don't get it," this is the "it" to which they refer.

This is exactly what Republican politicians don't get. Binding groups together, supporting essential institutions, living a sanctified and noble way? That's socialism.

Republican politicians only believe in the enrichment of their benefactors, no matter how much harm it does to American society. Democrats are turning that way also, as money increasingly prevails in our political system.

Republican propaganda does exploit this "moral clarity" quite effectively, pushing the right buttons that get working people to vote in the interests of the 1%, or whatever it is we call capitalists nowadays.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 30, 2014 - 08:06pm PT
white men who are in male-only clubs are going to do great in my presidency

 hey repubs.... is this your part of the gay agenda y'all seem to want to talk about all the time?

So, San Francisco is off the hook after all?

You flop flopping extroverts need something to focus on..



Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Oct 30, 2014 - 08:21pm PT
Dr. W. Braum! Re your comeback!

Oct 30, 2014 - 07:42pm PT

... an instructor lectured us about working our intellects towards having “original thoughts.”

You are dreaming.

Not one mortal person ever has any original thought.

All thoughts are already there in pure consciousness.

We just pull them out from there according to our level of developed consciousness.

You politards are at the lowest levels of consciousness for a human worst than animals .....

It appears you are still waiting for an "original thought.
thebravecowboy

climber
walking, resin-stained, towards the goal
Oct 30, 2014 - 09:41pm PT
so I met this duck with his head up his ass....
crankster

Trad climber
Oct 31, 2014 - 01:52am PT

Not one mortal person ever has any original thought.

All thoughts are already there in pure consciousness.

We just pull them out from there according to our level of developed consciousness.

You politards are at the lowest levels of consciousness for a human worst than animals .....

This, from the biggest frickin idiot on the Internet.
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 31, 2014 - 05:28am PT
barry's "don't do stupid shi*" foreign policy strategy continues to produce shi**y results:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/186828#!


hopenchange
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 31, 2014 - 08:19am PT
liberalism has become a mockery of itself:

"The UC Berkeley administration does not care about its 'colored' students as a result of their investments,"

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-California/2014/10/31/UC-Berkeley-Muslim-Students-Association-Prepares-to-Wage-PR-War-Against-Conservative-Administration


oh, the irony...
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 31, 2014 - 08:34am PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]

 All brought to you by non-human multi-billion dollar corporation loving republicans that will soon own your city council...


(Disclaimer - This message not meant to be taken seriously by anyone in America currently occupying the upper 1)

If you are not in immediate danger, you can do nothing because it is not effecting you immediately, therefore you cannot defend yourself, so sit down and know your place.

@ 9:27 of this clip starts an interesting story about one very interested white male...
THen again @ 10:15 of the clip... special americans getting their ways...

[Click to View YouTube Video]

 This is normal and nothing is wrong with this very specific profession of allegiance to a very specific group of americans...

Aren't you glad you are one of those specific kinds of americans?

bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 31, 2014 - 09:02am PT
another hopenchange failure:


http://www.gallup.com/poll/179045/less-half-americans-support-stricter-gun-laws.aspx



http://www.politico.com/story/2014/10/hillary-clinton-maryland-dreamers-heckle-112363.html


dang, another two years with barry and we'll be able to re-elect W
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Oct 31, 2014 - 09:37am PT
Halloween, speaking truth to power:









crankster

Trad climber
Oct 31, 2014 - 09:55am PT
^^^
Like Larry, I like my president's to be stupid and fit men, preferably chopping wood. How could anybody govern if they ignore the imagery?
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 31, 2014 - 09:56am PT
The Chief - If you knew me you'd know this is not the case...

You don't know the effect this activity would have on my nervous system...

Not to mention, nothing can turn me into a real human now... ask WB... its too late for me.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 31, 2014 - 12:25pm PT
chief, please stop.

you have no idea what a neurological disorder does to the world of the sufferer of said disorder.

Shooting at sh#t no longer appeals to me... blowing sh#t up no longer appeals to me.....I grew out of that around 13...
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
Oct 31, 2014 - 01:58pm PT
Wow. That operator has some amazing skills. Amazing!
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Oct 31, 2014 - 01:59pm PT
You might be a republican if:

You think "proletariat" is a type of cheese.

You think Huey Newton is a cookie.

You once broke loose at a party and removed your neck tie.

You've ever called a secretary or waitress "Tootsie."

You don't think "The Simpsons" is all that funny, but you watch it because that Flanders fellow makes a lot of sense.

You scream "Dit-dit-ditto" while making love.

You argue that you need 300 handguns, in case a bear ever attacks your home.

You point to Hootie and the Blowfish as evidence of the end of racism in America.




''It looks like the Republicans are going back to the strategy of 2008 where Obama is characterized as a celebrity. Says the party who is gay for Ronald Reagan. Come on, you can't worship Ronald Reagan and then attack Obama for being a celebrity. That's like running Chris Christie and saying Obama has a fat ass.'' —Bill Maher
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Oct 31, 2014 - 01:59pm PT
Pickup lines for democrats:

Lets go back to my place so we can hike up your taxes and bash some Bush

Can I get someone else to buy you a drink?

Is the money in your pocket inflated or are you just happy to see me?

I wanna ride you like a Prius

Let me buy you a glass of Blame Bush, its my favorite red whine

You know what they say about guys with big carbon footprints....they have big private jets

"You had me at Mao!"

I get nude for animals. How about you?

Whats a Nice Girl like you doing in an Abortion Clinic like this?

If I told you you had a nice Pelosi, would you hold it against me?

My parents aren't home right now."
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
Oct 31, 2014 - 02:06pm PT
ok... is that supposed to be Palin or Pelosi? To me it looks like it could be a caricature of either.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Oct 31, 2014 - 02:12pm PT
Larry, it's good to read posts demonstrating the ability to see the foibles of both sides. Thanks much.

John
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Oct 31, 2014 - 02:41pm PT
Thanks John,
To paraphrase a famous quote: I am a humble man, with much to be humble about.
I guess this montage sums up my philosophy:

Here is an interesting link:
"Essentially, it appears as if partisans twirl the cognitive kaleidoscope until they get the conclusions they want, and then they get massively reinforced for it, with the elimination of negative emotional states and activation of positive ones."
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-01/euhs-esl012406.php
crankster

Trad climber
Oct 31, 2014 - 02:52pm PT
Foibles of both sides...with no solutions offered, nor a path to get there. Nuts, the Libertarians.
Norton

Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
Oct 31, 2014 - 03:15pm PT
ah yes, the "libertarians"

at first glance it sounds like such a nice group, even puppies are in favor of "liberty'

the problem is that once someone actually takes the time to read up on what Libertarians really "stand for" most people would want to puke

just ask some well known "Libertarians" and find out that they want only enough government to defend the US against an attack on our soil only and they would "do away" with programs that lift tens of millions of Americans out of poverty, along with the Department of Education, the EPA, on and on and on

but hey, it sounds cool to be a "Libertarian" doesn't it? and that is what really matters
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Oct 31, 2014 - 03:24pm PT
Hey Crankster,
The British Prime Minister Lord Salisbury once remarked to Her Majesty Queen Victoria:
"Change, change, why do we need more change? Aren't things bad enough already?"

But I do have solutions...and they're nearly as old as the hills:

“The budget must be balanced, the Treasury must be refilled, public debt must be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom must be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands must be curtailed, lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.”
Cicero, 55 B.C.

Larry Nelson

Social climber
Oct 31, 2014 - 03:31pm PT
Norton wrote:
and they would "do away" with programs that lift tens of millions of Americans out of poverty, along with the Department of Education, the EPA, on and on and on

Hey Norton,
How's that war on poverty going anyhow? 40 years? Or is it 50 years?
Kinda like that war on drugs?
How are those school test scores going? Getting worse? Yikes?
Sounds like job security for bureaucrats.
And just remember, it was those evil republicans that started the EPA.
Ironies abound on both sides. That's the main point I'm making.
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
Oct 31, 2014 - 03:35pm PT
but hey, it sounds cool to be a "Libertarian" doesn't it? and that is what really matters

I don't think it is all that "cool" at all any more. I honestly think less of the libs than I do of the repubs, and that is saying a lot. At least the repubs are offering something of substance, vile though it is. The libs are all just smoke, mirrors and bs that is TOTALLY unrealistic and damaging.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Oct 31, 2014 - 04:35pm PT
Locker:
LMAO...I always appreciate your humorous and irreverent take on it all.

Norton:
I know you are passionate in your views, and you articulate them very well.
I am not in favor of abolishing welfare, public education, medicare, SS, or EPA... but more accountability for results would be nice.
I call myself a libertarian because I am a social liberal and fiscal conservative, and have voted for candidates in both major parties. Call me what you like. Character is a trait I look for. It's hard to find in the Washington DC bubble of self-serving narcisists.

Some like to mistakenly call libertarians anarchists. Well, I once was an anarchist. Disdain for my parents (I actually spit on them a few times) and did not recognize any governmental authority over any of my actions... then I turned three.
Norton

Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
Oct 31, 2014 - 05:29pm PT
Larry, thanks for your comment

nowadays the term "fiscally conservative" has a different meaning that it had in the past

fact is, IF one is truly disturbed about "irresponsible spending" such as the monumental waste of taxpayer dollars in our over bloated military then one should change their self definition to "fiscally liberal", because it is the Repub who are both responsible for the most contribution of growth to the National Debt but are also the party most rigidly against trimming any spending from the military, while the Democrats are made numerous attempts through the years to try to reach agreement with the Repubs without success on ways to reduce military spending.....

as far as any perceived excess spending on other Federal programs such as SS, Medicare,
and anti poverty programs, both parties are pretty much equally taking the credit for their success while ignoring the real fiscal "fixes" to curb spending such as raising the employer and employee contributions to SS and Medicare

it used to be that people screamed that adding to the National Debt was just a terrible thing to do.....because they would say...it would make interest rates go up

but that "theory' stated as fact for decades was blown out of the water right now when we have a 17 trillion dollar debt and the lowest interest rates in 70 years

Chicken Little has been proven wrong about "spending"
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 31, 2014 - 07:09pm PT
http://nypost.com/2014/10/30/democrats-threaten-voters-to-get-to-the-polls/

Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 31, 2014 - 09:22pm PT
^^ funny... I thought of how the repubs like to pass laws that keep people from voting when I read the lines above...

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Oct 31, 2014 - 11:50pm PT
So here we have the Maine nurse, who successfully exercised her rights under the Constitution not to be imprisoned, after all the medical people testified that she was not even a remote risk.

The Repubs come out in support of the Gov't ability to lock her up, with no evidence to support the action.

Showing their true colors.
crankster

Trad climber
Nov 1, 2014 - 01:26am PT
Larry, I have no complaints with Cicero.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 1, 2014 - 08:14am PT
... but more accountability for results would be nice.

Should we apply that to tax cuts as well?
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 1, 2014 - 01:03pm PT
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca

Oct 31, 2014 - 11:50pm PT
So here we have the Maine nurse, who successfully exercised her rights under the Constitution not to be imprisoned, after all the medical people testified that she was not even a remote risk.

The Repubs come out in support of the Gov't ability to lock her up, with no evidence to support the action.

Showing their true colors.

 +1
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Nov 1, 2014 - 01:20pm PT
"This selfish entitled b___ has lots and lots of consequences coming your way, trust me. Not just from "locals" who hate her guts, but she's been acting unethically--people are campaigning to have her license revoked. She won't be able to show her fat ugly face anywhere in Maine, without hearing a few things about herself. She should pack up for Uganda."

Never go full psycho.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Nov 1, 2014 - 01:24pm PT
Right wing zealotry has nothing to do with it.

Being a nutter does.


Tvash

climber
Seattle
Nov 1, 2014 - 01:36pm PT
Nutters choose a variety of extreme ways of thinking to self reinforce and vent the self-inflicted life frustrations that invariably plague such a disposition. The Angry White Man is just one of many flavors.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Nov 1, 2014 - 01:59pm PT
Pure offense, actually.

These are not difficult concepts to keep straight.

Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 1, 2014 - 03:55pm PT
Isn't this guy the senate repub leader?

http://kos.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=lfdkDpig08A4ZzSyasFmliUz3fjROsYJ

"40kg Of Cocaine Found On Mitch McConnell’s Father-In-Law’s Boat"

I guess when you are connected with the leader of the senate republican party...

... you feel invincible!!!
Norton

Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
Nov 1, 2014 - 04:21pm PT
Isn't this guy the senate repub leader?

yes, in fact he is

therefore, McConnell himself is guilty of moral failure, following the same logic of guilt by association the Repubs tried to use, unsuccessfully, against the President many times

because when you can't be proud of where you stand on the important issues, then you are reduced to irrational smear tactics, that's about all they got left

note: I fully expect Sketch to see this and post something really stupid
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 1, 2014 - 04:55pm PT
Norton, you've hit a point, for me...

"McConnell himself is guilty of moral failure, following the same logic of guilt by association the Repubs tried to use, unsuccessfully, against the President many times"

 Taken as a full statement I agree... If we were republican, this would put McConnell in the ground with congressional hearings and other bog-downs of the system they intend to destroy.

I wasn't, of course, saying that this is what needs to happen in the case of McConnell... He is not connected to this drug thing at all other than by way of marriage, and since we are only taking about the ultra wealthy here, I would have no idea how much the topic of large amounts of cocaine gets discussed during the holidays... so it entirely plausible that Mitch knew nothing about the usage, addiction to the collection of nor the storage of the 40Kg of cocaine found on the step-family member.

But someone had to ask 'How that guy make his money?" at some point... right?

I fully expect Sketch to see this and post something really stupid


 Time will tell
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 1, 2014 - 05:34pm PT
Jingy wrote:
"40kg Of Cocaine Found On Mitch McConnell’s Father-In-Law’s Boat"

Heck, isn't that what we expect anymore? But it is worthy of a schaudenboner. Comes around, goes around

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Hunter+Biden%2C+cocaine

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/mezvinsky.asp

Of course republicans (foot signals in the pubic bathroom by a homophobe is a classic) and democrats both have long history's of shady and hypocritical behavior. Very hard to find men of character in the sewer of politics. Decent people tend to stay away.

Norton

Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
Nov 2, 2014 - 03:48pm PT
So why not give it a try. The starting gun for the presidential race is about to go off, and a no-holds-barred conservative at the head of the GOP will certainly settle the matter. All there is to lose is another eight years.

yes!

now we are getting somewhere

the only reason John McCain and Richy Rich lost to that black muslim guy is because they were not extremely conservative enough

Cruz or Randy Paul could easily beat Hillary, America is longing for a rigid extremist
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Nov 2, 2014 - 04:56pm PT
LOL.

Always wondered why you all like NZ.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Nov 2, 2014 - 06:25pm PT
Sketch..so you found something that fits your simplistic outlook on politics..?
Braunini

Big Wall climber
cupertino
Nov 2, 2014 - 06:43pm PT
this thread should get back up to its previous gargantuan size in short order once the GOP controls congress here shortly
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Nov 3, 2014 - 08:27am PT
how can a health care law that causes thousands of people to LOSE health care policies they liked only to pay MORE for a policy they don't like be called "the greatest accomplishment of any modern president"?

the only "accomplishment" i can see is the fact that barry LIED so blatantly and with impunity...in a society saturated with media, that is quite an accomplishment


http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/30000-lose-health-care-due-obamacare-indiana_817841.html
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 3, 2014 - 09:46am PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]

This makes me laugh at republicans, for some reason...
crankster

Trad climber
Nov 3, 2014 - 10:27am PT
Tioga, we get it. You're an ultra conservative. Take a break from chaneling the Fox wingnuttery and go climbing.
crankster

Trad climber
Nov 4, 2014 - 06:55am PT
Think things are bad now? You ain't seen nothing yet. Just wait until the climate denying, government hating Republicans take control of the senate today.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 4, 2014 - 06:56am PT
GET OUT AND VOTE, PEOPLE!!!!
WBraun

climber
Nov 4, 2014 - 02:28pm PT
Americans have spoken !!!!!

That politards are criminals.

Over 61% of America stayed away from the polls.

The majority that voted had very little faith in their politards representatives.

America has finally understood that politards are always wrong and can never be trusted ........
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Nov 4, 2014 - 02:35pm PT
Werner, if you think nonparticipation does anything other than ensure deeper corruption you are crazy. Politicians do not suffer when people don't vote. Only we do.
WBraun

climber
Nov 4, 2014 - 02:40pm PT
I didn't "think" ...

You projected I thought something.

I didn't say to do nonparticipation or participation.

I just made observations.

You people make up sh!t and project them onto the world outside of yourselves.

Politards can never be trusted ......
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Nov 4, 2014 - 02:51pm PT
I don't mind low turnout. I know there are some voters who don't get to the polls for various reasons, but the great majority of those who don't vote couldn't care less and are poorly informed at best. Walk down the street and randomly ask people questions about civics: Why does Iowa have more Senators than California? How often do we elect Supreme Court Justices? Do you think the Presidents term should be more than 10 years? You'll be amazed how uninformed most people are. Do you really want folks who have no clue voting? I say let 'em stay home.

Of course the ideal would be to have an informed public and high turnout. Good luck with that.

End of cynical post.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 4, 2014 - 04:06pm PT
Voted.

Now I feel like everything is going to go my way....

But, in the back of my mind I remind myself that this is America...

A place where anyone can dream....


For the right price.
Norton

Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
Nov 4, 2014 - 06:32pm PT
But the misdirected extremism of Obama had hurt democrats a lot.

you could not be more wrong

the only controversial legislation PRESIDENT Obama signed was the ACA and that was back in
2010, and then he beat Romney by over 5 million votes and an electoral landslide AFTER the ACA was made law.

Your contention does not hold water, better you reason with history on your side, all minority parties do very well in Mid Term elections because the other side, in this case the Dems, don't give a damn and don't show up to vote. Witness 1994 and 2006 for strong examples of this.

Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 4, 2014 - 07:14pm PT

Demo-publican junta wins, in any case. Monsanto, Dow Chemical, military-industrial complex wins, etc, no matter which clown is up in the seat.

tioga, I'll give you that. Which is why the rest of your post makes no sense. Obama an extremist?
crankster

Trad climber
Nov 4, 2014 - 07:58pm PT
^^^
Analysis by a rightwing extremist.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 4, 2014 - 08:29pm PT
^^^ ^^^ ^^^

ok.... I know you're just being general and everything.... or principled or something... but...

Tell, you what.. You find me one of these "some fat nanny bureaucrat slob siphoning money from your pocket or telling you how to live"

 I won't think you're extremist.

Wait... Is that a "nanny government" - Mississippi style? or more like New York bum style "nanny government"?
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Nov 5, 2014 - 05:17am PT
Requiring a person to pay a FEE for BEING ALIVE, which is inalienable right and not a "privilege" granted by society or government, is extremism.

No different to the various capitation taxes that have existed for centuries, except Obamacare is optional. Many original states required adult males to either keep a firearm for militia use, or else pay an equivalent tax to support the militia. Of course, that was considered extremism at the time.

TE
crankster

Trad climber
Nov 5, 2014 - 05:38am PT

Nov 5, 2014 - 03:23am PT
Looks like America has spoken, and wants this ship turned around...or rather...this sinking ship re-floated.

Let's see, Cragman, the last Republican prez left an economy in collapse, a historic total freefall. Now that's what I call a sinking ship.

The ship had been already saved from sinking by the current president. And I have the feeling the Republicans, who now can't just scream and hide their rightwing, tea party uncle in the closet, will do as they always do...nothing, or worse.

This was a sea change, sure. But don't forget, more Democrat seats were on the ballot this time - not so in 2016, when it reverses.

Which brings me to Hillary, who had a good night. 2 years of the dysfunctional, no-ideas crowd running the show should make voters want another sea change in '16.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 5, 2014 - 06:27am PT
Now we get to see exactly how the republican govern...

or, based on the past couple of years...

now we get to see how republicans do their jobs....

so, yes... the ship is on its way down, unless the stupid people are purged from the country
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Nov 5, 2014 - 06:37am PT
The Chief and Cragman are ecstatic mainly because 2 openly gay Republican won seats...The ship is turned around...
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Nov 5, 2014 - 06:48am PT
The sun is up and its shinning very brightly right now.

A new day to be sure

But nothing has really changed now has it.

every one of the newly elected serves a master

and that master is not you and it is not me.

just some new names

the problems are still the same.

But one thing is for sure, Barry is not going to lock the door this friday, and proclaim.... "we don't need you"

carry on bros.....
crankster

Trad climber
Nov 5, 2014 - 06:50am PT
^^^
Love the "Barry", makes you sound so smart.
crankster

Trad climber
Nov 5, 2014 - 07:09am PT
So, you guys are just now figuring out that Republican's didn't run on anything positive, just anti-Obama. Congratulations.

Now that the GOP has all the legislative power, we can count on them to totally overplay their hand and piss off the whole country just in time for the next election. And go into full-blown civil war with each other. Mitch McConnell might have plans to be Majority Leader, but the lunatic Cruz has other ideas.

So, we'll get more investigations and little more. At least we can look forward to watching the Republican Party eat itself alive. And don’t forget, the GOP Presidential Primary Clown Show starts tomorrow.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Nov 5, 2014 - 07:14am PT
Love the "Barry", makes you sound so smart.


Thank you Crank
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Nov 5, 2014 - 07:16am PT
Hopefully democrats learned you can be the minority and still control the game.


Chief, did your state go red. LOL
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Nov 5, 2014 - 07:22am PT
Veto, veto veto. Get use to it.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Nov 5, 2014 - 07:32am PT
Chief, Taos is blue. LOL

Veto, veto and more veto.

Obama's chance to get back at the ass-backwards republicans.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 5, 2014 - 07:33am PT
GOP strategy: Dark Money and Voter Suppression. The Supreme's #1 hits.


No doubt, they are well organized. Here's an interesting Washington Post article:

Battle for the Senate: How the GOP did it
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 5, 2014 - 07:38am PT
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 5, 2014 - 07:41am PT
What this election and this 'discussion' underscores is how disfunctional a two-party political system is.
In a parliamentary system meaningful work can take place even when the ruling party does not
have an outright majority. Does anyone foresee our situation improving in their lifetime? Not
bloody likely, eh?
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, or In What Time Zone Am I?
Nov 5, 2014 - 07:45am PT
Obama's chance to get back at the ass-backwards republicans.

Thank you Bob!

Now I'm off to MTB ride.


Susan
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Nov 5, 2014 - 07:49am PT
I predict lots of show boat hearings and subpoenas, blocked nominations, etc. Congress is hopeless.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 5, 2014 - 07:50am PT
But, Malemute, you may not like it but at least something is being done
even if it is the wrong thing! ;-/
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 5, 2014 - 07:55am PT
Is it morning in America?

Nah. Wake up and smell the coffee.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 5, 2014 - 07:59am PT
Reilly wrote:
But, Malemute, you may not like it but at least something is being done
even if it is the wrong thing! ;-/

Sometimes the best thing to do is nothing.
How much of your personal life is just on hold and waiting for the masters in Washington DC to "do something"?
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 5, 2014 - 08:06am PT
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 5, 2014 - 08:08am PT
Well, Larry, that comment sort of sums up how a lot of people lead their lives - Waiting For Gubmint Goodbar.
Having just returned from Italy I can assure you that Southern Italy, which follows that system, sucks big time.
Northern Italy, where people go out and make lives for themselves, is doing quite nicely, thank you,
although no thanks to their layabout southern cousins who the northeners support.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Nov 5, 2014 - 08:11am PT
How will Republicans govern, and what will be the result?

The soon-to-be-former Governor of Pennsylvania followed through on the right-wing dogma. He cut corporate taxes, cut school spending (socialism), rolled out the red carpet to oil/gas companies, and refused to meet environmental groups. He refused calls for harsher penalties for straw purchasers of guns, until a cop was murdered yet the straw purchaser could only be sentenced to a few months in prison for a first offense.

The result? Last night he became the first incumbent Governor ever to lose re-election in Pennsylvania.

Roll on 2016.

TE
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 5, 2014 - 08:19am PT
Democrats now need a remedy
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Nov 5, 2014 - 08:20am PT
Southern Idaho is looking that much better every day though.

Why is this is? What about the North? What is it about ex military and retired civil servants moving to Idaho? I hear about a lot about that kind of activity occurring.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 5, 2014 - 08:34am PT
You forgot Hedge in your list Werner. I wonder about his welfare in light of the suicide of his "permanent demographic majority".
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Nov 5, 2014 - 08:44am PT
Coo. I have a couple family friends that retired from the KernCountyFireDept and high tailed it to N.ID as soon as they left the red wagons. I have friends in MT from ID that have echoed the Cali retired Gov't contingent that moves to ID(in the 80's and 90's it was mostly N.ID -at least from my casual observations). It just seems odd to me that such an anti-gov't state would be so appealing. Although, there is enough land to essentially be alone up here anyway. It is what I dig about it. Easy to forget about the f'd politics of this country and just breathe and ogle at the landscape while enjoying the ride...
Artrock23

Mountain climber
Laguna Beach, CA
Nov 5, 2014 - 08:44am PT
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Nov 5, 2014 - 09:02am PT
I'm quite happy with the results.

DC, AK, OR ended Prohibition 2.0

AK, AR, IL, NE increased their minimum wage

CA reduced most non-violent felonies to misdemeanors - blowing a huge hole in Prohibition 2.0

CO and ND rejected personhood at conception

IL bolstered voting rights and requires birth control to be covered

MI bolstered protection of personal electronic data

OR passed an ERA according to sex

OR also voted for 'top 2' primary voting - moving one step closer towards WA's voting system - the best in the country. Like WA, OR already votes by mail - a system which blocks most of the voter suppression shenanigans we've been seeing elsewhere in the past 15 years.

WA voted overwhelmingly for background checks for private gun sales

Education didn't fare well across the nation, but other than that - things went pretty well in the States.

Congress? Who cares? They'll sit on their asses doing nothing, just like they've been doing for the past 2 years.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 5, 2014 - 09:18am PT
Lots of important races are now finished.
Last Sunday was the New York City Marathon.
The men's division was won by a Kenyan.
Meanwhile, in Kenya, a pie-eating competition was won by an American.
(Hat tip to Letterman)
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Nov 5, 2014 - 10:17am PT
Nothing will change, Obama will veto and then 2016 will come quickly.
crankster

Trad climber
Nov 5, 2014 - 10:23am PT
Not too quickly, Bob. The show has just begun.
WBraun

climber
Nov 5, 2014 - 10:51am PT
Measured and calibrated from your ass ....
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Nov 5, 2014 - 11:00am PT
One word: BJBP
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Nov 5, 2014 - 11:03am PT
on Werner's planet the big siren goes off tuesday @noon.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 5, 2014 - 11:21am PT
This should show everyone a little something about repubs.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Nov 5, 2014 - 11:28am PT
Isn't it nice that we have a socialized military where even someone like the Chief can make it.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 5, 2014 - 11:53am PT
"Nothing will change, Obama will veto and then 2016 will come quickly."

And just like before, we'll have morons who think that the Senate leadership change will actually make any kind of difference in their pathetic, little lives.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Nov 5, 2014 - 11:58am PT
Can't wait to see some of the stone age bills coming from republicans in the future.

Gays back to the closet and women's rights back to the BC period.


What state does the Chief live in??

Funny...http://m.thenation.com/blog/188329-californias-clear-message-republicans-not-interested


Time to move to Idaho Chuff.


Dumb and dumber, America's least educated states, all red to the core.

http://247wallst.com/special-report/2014/09/23/americas-most-and-least-educated-states/5/
Norton

Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
Nov 5, 2014 - 12:48pm PT
"Nothing will change, Obama will veto and then 2016 will come quickly."

true, nothing will change

because just as the Dems in the Senate did not have enough votes to pass legislation, now so
do the Repubs do not have enough votes

and in two short years Hillary Clinton will be elected President and the Dems will take back the Senate

but the House will remain in Repub control until at least 2020, so no meaningful legislation will be passed in the next 6 years that actually benefits middle class Americans

the status quo was preserved last night
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 5, 2014 - 12:53pm PT
"Dumb and dumber, America's least educated states, all red to the core."

4. Nevada
> Bachelor’s degree or higher: 22.5%
> Median household income: $51,230 (25th lowest)
> Pct. below poverty level: 15.8% (24th highest)
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Nov 5, 2014 - 12:54pm PT
Just remember, Apogee, that's who elected Harry Reid.

John
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Nov 5, 2014 - 01:12pm PT
Nice map Sketch, America continues it's march back to the stone age.


Look at the most populated areas, Blue!
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Nov 5, 2014 - 01:18pm PT
Such a map means nothing unless its visually weighted by population.

Then it looks a bit more 50/50.
crankster

Trad climber
Nov 5, 2014 - 01:22pm PT
Looks like a perfect map for a Hillary win.

Quick: name 1 accomplishment of the current Republican congress.
Waiting...
Norton

Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
Nov 5, 2014 - 01:39pm PT
you know what, John E?

whether you agree with his politics or not, and obviously you do not, one certainly has to admit
that Harry Reid has been a very, very effective and able majority leader of the Senate

his job is to marshall legislation through the Senate and in that regard he has been highly effective

Harry Reid corralled the 58 Dems and 2 Independent Senators together in the very brief number of days he had to work with and brilliantly passed the single most beneficial legislation for low and middle class Americans since the 1960s, the ACA

you JohnE, have no solid ground to stand on in your weak attempt at a slam against Harry Reid
being elected by "dumb" Nevadans
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 5, 2014 - 01:48pm PT
Norton wrote:
you JohnE, have no solid ground to stand on in your weak attempt at a slam against Harry Reid being election by "dumb" Nevadans

Yeah, I thought he was elected by the mob.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Nov 5, 2014 - 01:51pm PT
Iowa: Christie vs. Clinton Des Moines Register/Bloomberg Clinton 43, Christie 38 Clinton +5
Iowa: Paul vs. Clinton Des Moines Register/Bloomberg Clinton 44, Paul 41 Clinton +3
Iowa: Bush vs. Clinton Des Moines Register/Bloomberg Clinton 46, Bush 39 Clinton +7
Iowa: Ryan vs. Clinton Des Moines Register/Bloomberg Clinton 44, Ryan 43 Clinton +1
Iowa: Rubio vs. Clinton Des Moines Register/Bloomberg Clinton 45, Rubio 37 Clinton +8
Iowa: Cruz vs. Clinton Des Moines Register/Bloomberg Clinton 45, Cruz 35 Clinton +10
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Nov 5, 2014 - 01:57pm PT
his job is to marshall legislation through the Senate and in that regard he has been highly effective

I agree with the first half of your sentence. The second part is nonsense. His "no amendments" policy led the Senate to morph for "The World's Greatest Deliberative Body" to the world's least deliberative body.

He had no intention of marshalling legislation through after the 2010 election. Rather, he saw his job as doing everything possible to assist his cronies in their unsuccessful effort to regain the House majority and hang on to their Senate majority. The cynical delay of votes - coupled with the equally cynical delays by the President in his actions - reflected their effort to remain in power regardless of consequences to the American people.

As for the rest of your comments, I was simply pointing out to Apogee - a supporter of Democrats - that his brickbats hurled at Nevada voters didn't reflect well on those who elected Mr. Reid.

John
crankster

Trad climber
Nov 5, 2014 - 02:01pm PT
All Ted, all Sarah, all the time!!

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Nov 5, 2014 - 02:03pm PT
"We shouldn't be gloating over the fact of winning red states," said Republican pollster Neil Newhouse, noting that this year's Senate battles mostly took place in reliably conservative states in the South and interior West. "That's not a very high bar."

One-third of the Senate comes up for reelection every two years, and by luck of the draw, the states in this year's batch are disproportionately conservative. Indeed, of the three classes of Senate seats, this year's group has been the least representative of the country over the last few election cycles, according to an analysis of election data by Patrick J. Egan, a political scientist at New York University.

A win is a win, no matter the caveats. The GOP has solidified its dominance of the South, strengthened its hand in Washington and further weakened President Obama's ability to influence the national agenda."
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 5, 2014 - 02:13pm PT
I read that Harry Reid, during his term as Majority Leader, blocked voting in the Senate on over 300 bills that had passed the House.
To not even allow a vote seems like acute partisanship, but that's part of Harry effectiveness.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Nov 5, 2014 - 02:22pm PT
Die is cast. Let's see what the GOP does with it.

They have run on preventing anything constructive from getting done until now. Let's see if they actually have a plan to DO anything other than undoing things now that they have the power. If they don't, they will need to go back obstructing Hillary two years from now.
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Nov 5, 2014 - 02:31pm PT
Political part by state (red=R blue=D)


Government debt per capita by state
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Nov 5, 2014 - 02:35pm PT
I totally agree ,Stahlbro.

The clock starts.Let us all see what the Republicans can get done with their 2 years.

I can guarantee this,I will be very surprised if it is anything good for the common man.


edit; Is there a city with over 1 million people in any one of those all red states?http://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Nov 5, 2014 - 03:03pm PT
Where those the all red states ,sketch?

I will give you SLC.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Nov 5, 2014 - 03:06pm PT
Same to you.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Nov 5, 2014 - 03:59pm PT
At least they are smart enought to stop tea bagging the teabaggers
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Nov 5, 2014 - 04:10pm PT
That map is color coded for 'best places to live'.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Nov 5, 2014 - 04:43pm PT
Being in debt doesn't make one a freeloader. How many of us have a mortgage? Not paying it off makes one a deadbeat, but states aren't doing that.

Secondly, my cityfied taxes subsidize Washington's rural counties 7 dollars to every 1 they bring in in taxes, and I'm fine with that. If you live in a rural county, you're very likely one of those tax 'freeloaders', but that's cool. That's the price of civilization.

Furthermore, I live in one of the finest - the most cultured, beautiful, prosperous, diverse and interesting cities in the world. In my own small way, I help make this city what it is - I'm part of it. I'm grateful for that.

I've been to Nevada numerous times. I was born there, actually, and lived there my first 2 years on this planet. I happen to like Nevada for many reasons, but I'm a city boy, and Nevada isn't the best place for people like me. No ocean, no glaciers, no rain forests, few whitewater rivers, and a culture that is, sorry to say, dismal for the most part. It just doesn't have what the northwest does.

Then there's my family. I've got a Mexican brother in law, a Japanese brother in law, and a gay brother. I'm not scared of the dark - dark skin, dark pasts, dark predictions, so, constitutionally, I'm a very different animal than you, Chief. I'm a social guy that likes all kinds of folks and cultures.

I know the kind of personality a lifetime on a navy ship can produce. My dad was a chief petty officer. He was angry, ashamed of his past bad behavior, emotionally shut off, and closed minded. Sound familiar?

Yeah, I think maybe it does,but that's just a guess, because after all, this is the internet, and that's just what we do.

thebravecowboy

climber
walking, resin-stained, towards the goal
Nov 5, 2014 - 04:49pm PT
Chief, what's an Asshat Sheep?
WBraun

climber
Nov 5, 2014 - 04:50pm PT
Oh my

More mental speculations and projections by Tvash onto an internet forum entity .....
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Nov 5, 2014 - 05:09pm PT
I'm sure there's going to be all kinds of change. Same gridlocked bullshit as always. Asshat sheep republicans are the same as asshat sheep democrats. F*#k politicians and their "change".
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 5, 2014 - 05:10pm PT
Ah, yes.... The republicans....


All the power.... with none of the responsibility for any of their boneheaded actions...

(REPAYMENT OF ANY DEBTS TO BE PAID BY ALL FUTURE GENERATIONS)
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 5, 2014 - 05:51pm PT
Norton

Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
Nov 5, 2014 - 06:15pm PT

STFU TeeGeaTee


Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Nov 5, 2014 - 06:27pm PT
Chief, the lady who won in SD appealed to the low IQ voters, ones just like you.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Nov 5, 2014 - 06:52pm PT
No comment!!!!
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Nov 5, 2014 - 07:04pm PT
Sweet ^^^^^ picture. tfpu.

This says it all.
November 5 2014
CHARLESTON, W.Va. (CBSDC/AP) — Eighteen-year-old Saira Blair will become the
youngest state lawmaker in West Virginia history.


The Republican defeated Democrat Layne Diehl on Tuesday to win a seat in the
state House of Delegates to become the youngest state lawmaker in the U.S..


“History has been made tonight in West Virginia, and while I am proud of all
that we have accomplished together, it is the future of this state that is
now my singular focus,” Blair said in a statement. “Since launching my
campaign, I have met with and listened to the concerns of my fellow
citizens, and as your delegate I will work tirelessly, and fight for each
and every one of you. Now, it is time to get to work.”
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 5, 2014 - 07:32pm PT
Well, Larry, that comment sort of sums up how a lot of people lead their lives - Waiting For Gubmint Goodbar.
Having just returned from Italy I can assure you that Southern Italy, which follows that system, sucks big time.
Northern Italy, where people go out and make lives for themselves, is doing quite nicely, thank you,
although no thanks to their layabout southern cousins who the northeners support.

Hey, just like over here!
November 3, 2004

F*#k the South. F*#k 'em. We should have let them go when they wanted to leave. But no, we had to kill half a million people so they'd stay part of our special Union. Fighting for the right to keep slaves - yeah, those are states we want to keep.

And now what do we get? We're the f*#king Arrogant Northeast Liberal Elite? How about this for arrogant: the South is the Real America? The Authentic America. Really?

Cause we f*#king founded this country, as#@&%es. Those Founding Fathers you keep going on and on about? All that bullshit about what you think they meant by the Second Amendment giving you the right to keep your assault weapons in the glove compartment because you didn't bother to read the first half of the f*#king sentence? Who do you think those wig-wearing lacy-shirt sporting revolutionaries were? They were f*#king blue-staters, dickhead. Boston? Philadelphia? New York? Hello? Think there might be a reason all the f*#king monuments are up here in our backyard?

No, No. Get the f*#k out. We're not letting you visit the Liberty Bell and f*#king Plymouth Rock anymore until you get over your real American selves and start respecting those other nine amendments. Who do you think those f*#king stripes on the flag are for? Nine are for f*#king blue states. And it would be 10 if those Vermonters had gotten their f*#king Subarus together and broken off from New York a little earlier. Get it? We started this sh#t, so don't get all uppity about how real you are you Johnny-come-lately "Oooooh I've been a state for almost a hundred years" dickheads. F*#k off.

Arrogant? You wanna talk about us Northeasterners being f*#king arrogant? What's more American than arrogance? Hmmm? Maybe horsies? I don't think so. Arrogance is the f*#king cornerstone of what it means to be American. And I wouldn't be so f*#king arrogant if I wasn't paying for your f*#king bridges, bitch.

All those Federal taxes you love to hate? It all comes from us and goes to you, so shut up and enjoy your f*#king Tennessee Valley Authority electricity and your fancy highways that we paid for. And the next time Florida gets hit by a hurricane you can come crying to us if you want to, but you're the ones who built on a f*#king swamp. "Let the Spanish keep it, it’s a shithole," we said, but you had to have your f*#king orange juice.

The next dickwad who says, "It’s your money, not the government's money" is gonna get their ass kicked. Nine of the ten states that get the most federal f*#king dollars and pay the least... can you guess? Go on, guess. That’s right, motherf*#ker, they're red states. And eight of the ten states that receive the least and pay the most? It’s too easy, as#@&%e, they’re blue states. It’s not your money, as#@&%es, it’s f*#king our money. What was that Real American Value you were spouting a minute ago? Self reliance? Try this for self reliance: buy your own f*#king stop signs, as#@&%es.

Let’s talk about those values for a f*#king minute. You and your Southern values can bite my ass because the blue states got the values over you f*#king Real Americans every day of the goddamn week. Which state do you think has the lowest divorce rate you marriage-hyping dickwads? Well? Can you guess? It’s f*#king Massachusetts, the f*#king center of the gay marriage universe. Yes, that’s right, the state you love to tie around the neck of anyone to the left of Strom Thurmond has the lowest divorce rate in the f*#king nation. Think that’s just some aberration? How about this: 9 of the 10 lowest divorce rates are f*#king blue states, as#@&%e, and most are in the Northeast, where our values suck so bad. And where are the highest divorce rates? Care to f*#king guess? 10 of the top 10 are f*#king red-ass we're-so-f*#king-moral states. And while Nevada is the worst, the Bible Belt is doing its f*#king part.

But two guys making out is going to f*#king ruin marriage for you? Yeah? Seems like you're ruining it pretty well on your own, you little bastards. Oh, but that's ok because you go to church, right? I mean you do, right? Cause we f*#king get to hear about it every goddamn year at election time. Yes, we're fascinated by how you get up every Sunday morning and sing, and then you're f*#king towers of moral superiority. Yeah, that's a workable formula. Maybe us f*#king Northerners don't talk about religion as much as you because we're not so busy sinning, hmmm? Ever think of that, you self-righteous as#@&%es? No, you're too busy erecting giant stone tablets of the Ten Commandments in buildings paid for by the f*#king Northeast Liberal Elite. And who has the highest murder rates in the nation? It ain't us up here in the North, as#@&%es.

Well this gravy train is f*#king over. Take your liberal-bashing, federal-tax-leaching, confederate-flag-waving, holier-than-thou, hypocritical bullshit and shove it up your a*#.

And no, you can't have your f*#king convention in New York next time. F*#k off.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Nov 5, 2014 - 07:37pm PT
Sketch..How's this for a spin...Veto....
Dal Maxvill

Social climber
Granite City, Illinois
Nov 5, 2014 - 07:52pm PT
The Chief, we'll see what tune you sing when the Republicans shutdown the government and your checks stop rolling in.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Nov 5, 2014 - 07:56pm PT
It makes sense that da chief and the other mouth-breathers on this thread would pile on and celebrate, just like their up-scale brethern that drive the stock market were supposed to do.

OOOOOOps. The markets were mixed today & barely up, vs being up around 8% in the last two weeks.

It's OK!

It's a big day for the conservative poor.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 5, 2014 - 07:58pm PT
"No comment!!!!" = STFU

STFU = "No comment!!!!"
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 5, 2014 - 07:59pm PT
"The Chief, we'll see what tune you sing when the Republicans shutdown the government and your checks stop rolling in."


Bwahahaahahahahahahaaaaahahaa!
crankster

Trad climber
Nov 5, 2014 - 08:09pm PT
crankster

Trad climber
Nov 6, 2014 - 05:22am PT
Enjoy it while it lasts, righties, cuz it won't last long.
crankster

Trad climber
Nov 6, 2014 - 05:46am PT
To all you celebrating conservatives...

You did not win on ideas.
You did not win because voters are eager for your yet-to-be-determined policies.
You did not win because the general electorate has taken a swing to the right.

You won because you broke government. You won on that strategy.
Your new leader, McConnell, mapped it out to perfection.
Stall evey bill, every appointment. Then scream about executive overreach.
Plan on your pals at Fox and talk radio to cooperate 24/7.
He figured the voters would put the blame on the presidents party and it worked.
A brilliant plan at the expense of the American people.

That's the gang in power now. The lunatics are running the asylum.



pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Nov 6, 2014 - 06:07am PT
crankster = ignorant voter!
obama got that right he target ignorant voters..
crankster

Trad climber
Nov 6, 2014 - 06:13am PT
Your knowledge of how politics works is lacking, Cragman. And you must believe everything you hear on Fox. I suspect Hillary's election in 2 years will enlighten you.

And Cragman, I thought you were a better person than to laugh at racists jokes. I guess my general opinion of religious conservatives was correct.

Again, celebrate now, right wingers, it won't last long.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 6, 2014 - 06:25am PT
Yeah, republicans are gloating, just like democrats did in the last election. Comes around, goes around.

This election was a rejection of Obama's policies and Harry Reid's tactics. Obama saying he was not repudiated is an example of spitting, not swallowing. Many young and smart republicans emerged to prominence. The bad news for republicans is that being republicans, they will likely blow their opportunity to connect with minorities.


The next election will favor democrats in senate races where republicans have to defend in blueish states and there will be a bigger turnout.
The bad news for dems is Hillary will be pushing 70 and she will always be seen by too many as America's ex-wife. She just lacks the likeability and cool factors that are unfortunately necessary in today's pop culture elections. Who else have they got that isn't old? Of course how many ever heard of Obama back in 2006?
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 6, 2014 - 06:29am PT
Crankster,
Jon Stewart of comedy central said that the race card was overdrawn over 2 years ago.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 6, 2014 - 06:33am PT
Political parties can change. They'd better or they'll die.


How well their new blood will connect with minorities remains to be seen.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 6, 2014 - 06:39am PT
... the election went the way it did because Americans now see that Obama is clueless.


Yes, Americans are so insightful, they elected W twice and believe Regan implemented a working economic model. They eat the lies told to them by the MSM daily, and get fat of talking points that don't go near the real policies or address the real troubles we face as a nation/world.

Blame it all on Obama. Well, except for the turn-around of the economy.

It's pretty funny to hear folks say "Turn this country around!" Do they mean turn it around to the way it was when Obama took office?

Talk about clueless.
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Nov 6, 2014 - 06:47am PT
as i said, often, in the original thread, we appear to be wrong because we're so often so far ahead of you libs...we've always understood "dissent is patriotic"; that's the whole basis of our government, which you libs only discovered when W was elected and then forgot when barry was elected but will probably rediscover now

we've always understood that "gridlock" is actually the separation of powers and, again, the basis of our government...well, it seems some libs are discovering, this, too:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/11/democrats-have-2-choices-gridlock-or-disaster.html


like you'll suddenly realize harry's rewriting the rules of the senate was a bad idea and that allowing the minority party to have a voice is a good idea...hopefully you won't have to lose your jobs to realize amnesty is a bad idea or lose your health coverage to realize barrycare is a bad idea or lose your head to realize a "don't do stupid sh*t" foreign policy is a bad idea
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Nov 6, 2014 - 06:53am PT
The last government shut down had Fed. employees furloughed but they still got payed for the time they had off from work...Not a very effective shutdown or value for the tax payers...Hopefully the change in Senate seats will break gridlock unlike the do-nothing Republican Congress , but don't hold your breath...
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Nov 6, 2014 - 06:54am PT
barry finally discovers american exceptionalism, which, of course, revolves around him:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-most-important-organization-earth-us-government_818270.html
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 6, 2014 - 06:54am PT
... we've always understood "dissent is patriotic"; that's the whole basis of our government, which you libs only discovered when W was elected and then forgot when barry was elected ...


Wow bookworm, do you really believe your generalizations?

Loose your healhcare? What about the millions who now have healthcare because of the ACA? Oh right, you don't count those on the bottom tier of our country, those below the 1% mark.

All I hear from the GOP are that Obama's plans are wrong. But I have yet to hear any plans from them that will actually work for 99% of our country.

Can you? If so, enlighten us as to what they are.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 6, 2014 - 07:02am PT
wait until mcconnell gets his way and they sign the TPP and your towns water supply has no way to stop the water from being contaminated because drilling was an economic necessity for the Multi-National, Multi-Billion Dollar Corporation from another country has it's way with your towns/states/countries laws...

[Click to View YouTube Video]

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Then maybe making money will take on a new meaning for us citizens at the bottom of the socioeconomic slope.


Just take a look at all the good NAFTA has done for America (Remember... this is part of the real reason the border is so porous.. REPUBLICANS DEMAND IT TO BE SO)

[Click to View YouTube Video]

And republicans are steering the car on this doomed trip to the bottom.

Maybe one day... Hopefully one day.... I am proven wrong.
My fear is that it is already too late for us.

http://www.citizen.org/tradewatch

k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 6, 2014 - 07:08am PT
So Obama's leadership wasn't a major factor in this election?


The SCOTUS was the leader in this last election. Citizens United, Voter Rights. That and the GOP megaphone that is FOX News (the news program that disguises opinion pieces as news).


It would be interesting to see how the GOP would fair if Fox News had to tell the truth, or if all candidates were allowed equal air time.

It would also be interesting to see where we'd be if Congress didn't do anything but obstruct. One thing is for sure, this election wasn't won or lost because of policies enacted in Congress.

Where do the American people get their ideas about what our Gov't is, or isn't, doing? Who owns those media outlets? Get a clue Sketch.

How about you Sketch. Can you name the successful polices of the GOP? If we "turn this country around," in what direction are you talking about?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 6, 2014 - 07:11am PT
Are you implying 99% of our country currently has healthcare?

Um, not sure how you read that out of what I wrote.
dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 6, 2014 - 07:13am PT
Good stuff k-man. You're on a roll.
dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 6, 2014 - 07:14am PT
Yes it is the old white male party.


Anecdotes are fun but the proof is in the larger data set.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Nov 6, 2014 - 07:19am PT
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 6, 2014 - 07:23am PT
Jingy, right on.

We're looking at Good Cop/Bad Cop. Dems/GOP. They just switch roles every so often.

On NAFTA:

NAFTA, a trade pact between the United States, Canada, and Mexico, eliminated virtually all tariffs and trade restrictions between the three nations. The passage of NAFTA was one of Clinton's first major victories as the first Democratic president in 12 years--though the movement for free trade in North America had begun as a Republican initiative.

The people in power do not change seats every few years. They have been sitting in power for decades, and more.

Independent news outlets, please support them.
dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 6, 2014 - 07:32am PT
Right dirtbag?

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Demographics are not on the GOP's side. So enjoy it now, fellas.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 6, 2014 - 07:35am PT
Was Obama's leadership a major factor in this election?

There were many factors involved in how this past election turned out.

I believe that many of Obama's policies would have been very successful if there was a Congress that worked to enact those policies. But we obviously will never know.

One thing we do know, Obama could not be successful with the obstructionists in Congress. This was the masterful plan put in place by your GOP. It's too bad that this is seen as a game, where the idea is to "win" at all costs. Because who is are the real losers here?

I'm not a fan of how Obama negotiated with the GOP. But I don't buy the lie that says the election was a landslide because of Obama's leadership skills, or because of his policies. If you buy that, then you're not paying attention.
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, or In What Time Zone Am I?
Nov 6, 2014 - 07:40am PT
flip burgers
When did honest work of any sort become a joke?
It would seem conservatives rail against public assistance as nanny state and then poke political fun at someone working an entry level job.

That's the elitism of the conservatives that anger many libs.

Anyone working, flipping burgers, or something else is worthy of respect....not an attempt to demean because they actually took part in the democratic process.

Is this the "turn around"? Jokes and demeaning those in entry level jobs?


Susan
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 6, 2014 - 07:46am PT
Let's play a little game. Let's say that the American people don't like the policies that Obama and his administration are trying to enact.

Now it's your turn to play. You can say one of two things:

(A) We don't like O's policies.

(B) Here are our better policies ...


I hear you all say A, but not B.

Here's the game: Can you come up with B?


It's easy to point a finger and say, "It's your fault." Harder is to come up with ideas of your own that will work.

The GOP now has the stage. Think they will be able to switch to (B)?


Oh, and here's the catch. Remember who turned the country around for the better over the past few administrations.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Nov 6, 2014 - 07:48am PT
Interesting article in the LA Times about what this election's voter demographics predicts for the next presidential election. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/a-look-at-voter-turnout-suggests-2016-wont-be-easy-for-republicans/ar-BBdbIO9

The more troubling picture for Republicans as they look ahead to the presidential race in 2016 is this: Although they won in what some are calling a red tsunami, the long-standing rules about midterm elections held true. They won largely because the voters who turn out tend to be more white and more conservative than those who turn out in presidential years.

A Wednesday analysis of exit poll data by the Pew Research Center found that men and older Americans were central to the GOP gains, and that there was little evidence that the party made progress closing its deficits among women or young voters.

Exit polls showed that men cast their ballots for Republicans by a 16 percentage point margin and women favored Democrats by a 4 percentage point margin, similar to margins in the 2010 midterm election. Republicans also held a 16 percentage point lead over their Democratic opponents among voters who were 65 and older, who made up 22 percent of the 2014 electorate compared with just 16 percent in 2012.

By contrast, voters younger than 30 — who favor Democrats — handed in 13 percent of the ballots cast, compared with 12 percent in 2010. In 2012, they made up nearly 19 percent of the electorate.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 6, 2014 - 07:48am PT
K-man wrote:
I believe that many of Obama's policies would have been very successful if there was a Congress that worked to enact those policies. But, we obviously will never know.

That's like saying I could be king of the world if only everybody listened to me.
This government was set up for checks and balances. The opposition party advocates their own philosophy. In fact, that is their responsibility. If politicians want an opposition party to vote for their policies, they have to be willing to give something back. Gridlock or compromise has been the norm for most of this country's history.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 6, 2014 - 07:52am PT
That's like saying I could be king of the world if only everybody listened to me.

No, it's not Larry.

And our country has never been so grid-locked as it is now, don't fool yourself.

In the past, congress worked across the aisle to get things done. Just listen to the folks who have been there for decades. The batch you have in there now, forget it.
dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 6, 2014 - 08:04am PT
No Sketch. Turnout was on the GOP's side.
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, or In What Time Zone Am I?
Nov 6, 2014 - 08:34am PT
^^^^some people shouldn't be allowed coffee in the morning. ^^^^^
You need to go for a ride.

Susan

Norton

Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
Nov 6, 2014 - 08:35am PT
pathetic voter participation in this midterm = voters don't give a damn


"We're probably going to have the lowest-turnout election (nationally) since 1942. It's that bad. And that was in the midst of World War II when people couldn't vote because they were off at war," said Michael McDonald, a political science professor at the University of Florida who specializes in voter turnout.

wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Nov 6, 2014 - 08:36am PT
Give em hell,SC :)
WBraun

climber
Nov 6, 2014 - 08:43am PT
2016 is right around the corner...get ready for President Hillary Clinton.

This shows in nutshell how stupid politards really are and why they are stupid worthless people.
crankster

Trad climber
Nov 6, 2014 - 08:43am PT
The righties here, from the moderates to the fringe lunatics, are a good example of how effective rightwing media is - they parrot the stuff verbatim.

Let em think what they want. They will find out soon they did not win a war of ideas. Soon, the infighting for power will become the story, as will the realization that this mob has no idea about how to govern.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 6, 2014 - 08:45am PT
k-man quoted
NAFTA, a trade pact between the United States, Canada, and Mexico, eliminated virtually all tariffs and trade restrictions between the three nations. The passage of NAFTA was one of Clinton's first major victories as the first Democratic president in 12 years--though the movement for free trade in North America had begun as a Republican initiative.

 You can bet that this will be the pattern that will be used again, but with much greater, and more desperate measures.

It's almost as if the people have the ability to look back on what didn't work all those years ago... and they actively want more...

(Creepy Cannibal Insect Video Here - coming soon)
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apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 6, 2014 - 08:54am PT
You Republitards will glom onto any little shred of hope you have, won't you?

Completely missing the big picture...the electorate is changing, and not in the direction of the rigid, medieval GOP.

It's like being optimistic about the fact you can see the bathroom light when you are swirling down the toilet. Feel good, Republitards!
John M

climber
Nov 6, 2014 - 08:54am PT
Warbler...Is the economy better now than it was when Obama took office?

Apparently Americans as a whole do not think so.

Poll: Americans grim on economy ahead of midterms

poor example Chief. The economy can be better then when Obama took office and still be pretty scary.
crankster

Trad climber
Nov 6, 2014 - 08:59am PT
Climate change-denying, far-righties must have amnesia. They forgot the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression happened on their watch.
dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 6, 2014 - 09:02am PT
Unemployment has dropped, the deficit is down, inflation is zip, GDP is healthy, real estate prices are recovering, and the stock market is roaring.

I'll take more Obama "f*#k ups," thank you very much.
John M

climber
Nov 6, 2014 - 09:07am PT
no its not Chief.

the economy could have been worse. So at least Obama didn't screw that up. Its unlikely that anything he did could have fixed it completely, since it was so far in the toilet and he was dealing with an obstructionist congress.

Its more like saying..

Bush put 1,000,000 peoples lives in jeopardy by letting in the terrorist.

Obama has so far saved 900.000 lives, 100.000 are still at risk, but folks are gripping because he hasn't yet saved all 100,000, all while ignoring that fact that he was handed such an unmitigated mess and we came close to losing the whole 1000,000. Thanks to what the previous admin did.

He didn't put the million at risk. He managed to save 900,000 of them. But you just go on complaining.

We came incredibly close to something that could have been worse then the great depression. Did you learn anything about that in school? Are you familiar with just how bad that was. We were a hairs breadth away from that and skating on thin ice.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Nov 6, 2014 - 09:10am PT
dirtbagz got it right. the data speaks for itself
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 6, 2014 - 09:14am PT
Chief...look at the light...be optimistic, as you & your Party swirl down the toilet!
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 6, 2014 - 09:19am PT
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded a$#hat Sheep

Nov 6, 2014 - 09:18am PT
My Party???

Nope. I was a DEM till last MAY apogee. I voted for Obama and other DEMS both in 08 and 12.


Gave up on all that "HOPE/CHANGE" bullshet and re-registered as an Independent.

Why change?

Wait.. you bought the hope and change shite?

And what did you think that meant?
How was the hope and change going to effect you when you were voting for it? And how has that changed?
And how can a repub give you that?
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 6, 2014 - 09:20am PT
Alaska, Oregon and Washington DC have something in common


Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 6, 2014 - 09:30am PT
^^^ This guy used to be registered as a dem... now registered independent... ^^^


John M

climber
Nov 6, 2014 - 09:31am PT
the only hope and change I believed in was that Rumsfield, Cheney and Rove were not going to have total control of the reins anymore. That is exactly as far as my belief in hope and change went. And I was grateful that Palin wasn't going to be that close to being the President. What an unmitigated disaster that would have been. If you got sucked in by all the hype, well, then perhaps you should look at yourself.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 6, 2014 - 09:33am PT
the only hope and change I believed in was that Rumsfield, Cheney and Rove were not going to have total control of the reins anymore.

 +1 - 100%
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, or In What Time Zone Am I?
Nov 6, 2014 - 09:38am PT
Good gawd. The chief, your spittle rag must be soaked from wiping off your monitor.
Put your mouth where your ass is and let's see the repubs do something for Veterans instead of stopping everything.

Susan
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 6, 2014 - 10:01am PT
Yes Sketch, I read the article.
But I still have my own opinion on the election.
steven Curtis

Trad climber
Petaluma
Nov 6, 2014 - 10:05am PT
Face it: Most of us have huge blind spots.

Bush's comments about the irrelevance of old Europe, and Hillary's recent comment on jobs and government show that even the most political creatures are not immune.

The best try to understand where their misunderstandings lay, and then change themselves. Others conclude their blind spots are actually their opponents' blind spots, and attempt to do battle with blunt sticks.

Shame for the title of this thread.

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 6, 2014 - 10:12am PT
"Put your mouth where your ass is and let's see the repubs do something for Veterans instead of stopping everything."

Worth repeating.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 6, 2014 - 10:21am PT
Weak, Chief.

But when someone close to us is dying a slow, horrible death, we tend to see any short moment of improvement as evidence of a turnaround.

Then the patient dies, and you move on. Enjoy your delusion, Chief.
dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 6, 2014 - 10:29am PT
Stick to jackalope stuffing.
John M

climber
Nov 6, 2014 - 10:30am PT
It was the stain from an administration that has had more scams charged against it that any I can remember.

you have a short memory

which leads to statements like this.. "sunken economy".
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 6, 2014 - 10:47am PT
"Stick to jackalope stuffing."

Bwahahahahahahaaaaa!

SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, or In What Time Zone Am I?
Nov 6, 2014 - 10:54am PT
S 1982, Sanders, would have provided broad sweeping Vet benefits. All Senate Repubs, except 2 voted against it. This legislation was endorsed by a wide range of veteran organizations. Some legislative opposers cited the cost of doing this comprehensive of a benefits package. Obstructionism at its finest.

Does it surprise me that, finally, a bill introduced by a Republican would pass? Of course not. The Dems did not play obstructionist politics with this bill, regardless of Reid and Pelosi.

So if the pieces of S 1982 eventually get introduced piecemeal, and pass, that will eventually be helpful to veterans. But why in the world did they have to wait because of obstructionist politics. More veterans down the rabbit hold because of politics.

I do believe that the Dems will not obstruct legislation to assist Veterans in the way that the Repubs created huge voting blocks of obstruction. The Repubs can come out the heroes now of supporting Veterans if that is what they wish to do. It would be nice to see them finally do the right thing in a comprehensive omnibus manner. No more bits and pieces of which each creates its own bureaucracy.

Susan
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, or In What Time Zone Am I?
Nov 6, 2014 - 11:13am PT
One of the primary reasons Repugs sat on his particular bill cus it was clearly a redundant bill that was already included within HR 3230.

Oh, I get it. Sit on a bill that benefits Vets because the other party sponsored it. Makes clear political sense to me. Playing with lives.


Susan


Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 6, 2014 - 11:15am PT
This is why republicans are wrong about everything...

Remember... republicans did this...

[Click to View YouTube Video]
crankster

Trad climber
Nov 6, 2014 - 11:44am PT
Spot on, Susan.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 6, 2014 - 12:01pm PT
This was the billionaires' election, billionaires of both parties.

And while the Republican and Democratic Party billionaires have some differences, what unites them is much stronger than what divides them, a few exceptions aside. Indeed, many of the richest individual and corporate donors give to both parties. The much-discussed left-right polarization is not polarization at all. The political system is actually relatively united and working very effectively for the richest of the rich.

There has never been a better time for the top 1%. The stock market is soaring, profits are high, interest rates are near zero, and taxes are low. The main countervailing forces -- unions, antitrust authorities, and financial regulators -- have been clobbered.


Understanding and Overcoming America's Plutocracy
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Nov 6, 2014 - 12:01pm PT
Is the economy better now than it was when Obama took office?

With all due respect, that's only one question about economic performance. The economy has performed exceedingly poorly during most of the Obama administration's tenure, generating the weakest post-war recovery, by far. Every other deep post-war recession ended with a vigorous recovery, except for this one.

Put slightly differently, the issue for economic performance is more than the endpoints. If I make more money in January and December of this year than I did in January and December of 2013, am I better off? Don't I need to know how I did in the other ten months? For the Obama economy, the months in between were abysmal.

Americans were not irrational in thinking that they would have been far better off if the country had pursued different economic policies from those enacted in 2009 and 2010.

John

Edit: k-man, the Obama years have been good for the billionaires. It's been poor for the rest of us.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 6, 2014 - 12:19pm PT
You post a lengthy, well researched article, on how the GOP did so well in the election.... and then you ignore it... coming up with a completely different story.... short on facts...

I didn't ignore the story, as you foolishly state. I folded what I read into my perception of what took place.

Short on facts? What, you don't think there's proof that "dark money" and the Republican efforts to make voting more difficult for millions influenced the election, as I stated?

You don't think that there is proof that FOX News and other MSM outlets, owned by corporate conglomerations, have a large influence on how the voting public perceives the American political system?

Tell me, what influences peoples perception of our government, both Congress and the Executive Branch? Do you think they get their ideas from watching C-SPAN??

No, instead you want to believe it's just Obama, flumbering along, that caused this turnout. Yeah, let's turn this whole thing back around, to where it came from before Obama took office--the previous GOP administrations were doing such a swell job.

Short on facts? No, I don't think so.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Nov 6, 2014 - 12:23pm PT
John, you well know exactly which half of Congress has defended our ridiculously regressive tax structure. Come on, man. You can do better than that.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 6, 2014 - 12:28pm PT
k-man, the Obama years have been good for the billionaires. It's been poor for the rest of us.


John, are you sure that it's just the Obama years that have been good for the billionaires? As I recall, the W years weren't so great for the middle class either.

As a side note, any recovery is going to take energy + resources. You cannot snap your fingers and create wealth out of nothing--more "money" does not equate to more wealth.

With so many folks looking at the astronomical debt, of both this nation and the world, from where do you think the resources for a robust recovery will materialize?

!~~~!

Stealing a post from the Climate thread:

Humanity Now Needs 1.5 Earths


That article fell out of this pretty right-on assessment:

How to Shrink the Economy without Crashing It: A Ten-Point Plan

Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 6, 2014 - 12:31pm PT
^^^ +1 ^^^
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Nov 6, 2014 - 12:33pm PT
Helloooo Bush tax cuts! This is a PAINFULLY obvious issue.

No cigar, John. Not even a Tiparillo.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Nov 6, 2014 - 12:40pm PT
JE: I always enjoy your polite posts, but I must add a clarifying question to this assertion:

With all due respect, that's only one question about economic performance. The economy has performed exceedingly poorly during most of the Obama administration's tenure, generating the weakest post-war recovery, by far. Every other deep post-war recession ended with a vigorous recovery, except for this one.

In those previous economic recoveries, was the oppossing party in congress activly trying to make the recession worse by stopping economic recovery measures from being introduced?

And in regard to another of your assertions:

Edit: k-man, the Obama years have been good for the billionaires. It's been poor for the rest of us.


Although I am far from achieving billionaire status: the last 6 years have been the best earning years of my life.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 6, 2014 - 12:57pm PT
"...the Obama years have been good for the billionaires. It's been poor for the rest of us."

And exactly how is this any different than the Bush years?

And did you really think that McCain or Romney would have pursued policies that would have benefitted the 99% of us any better?
John M

climber
Nov 6, 2014 - 12:58pm PT
the trickle down model is a failure - the "job creators" never delivered.

I certainly hope that more people start realizing this.
crankster

Trad climber
Nov 6, 2014 - 01:01pm PT
This gets close to the reason for the election results...

A man who called into C-SPAN's "Washington Journal" Thursday morning referred to President Barack Obama as "that n***er" before getting booted off the air.

The caller, who gave his name as Anthony from San Diego, California, identified himself as a Republican and started out talking about the direction he thinks the new GOP majority in Congress should take.

"I would just like to say, that the Republicans -- and I'm a Republican -- please do not overreach," the caller began. "I know they're going to overreach but I'm telling you, if you advocate for the repeal of Obamacare and you get too extreme, then Hillary Clinton will be elected President in 2016."

"This is about race," he added. "The Republicans hate that nigger Obama."

Host Steve Scully quickly cut off the caller after he dropped the racial slur.

"Okay, I'm gonna stop you there," Scully said. "We're not gonna use that kind of language."

"You can certainly make your point, but you cross the line when you use language like that," he added. "And so to our viewers and listeners, I want to apologize."
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Nov 6, 2014 - 01:17pm PT
Liberal drum circle cry fest outta hand

climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 6, 2014 - 01:21pm PT
You think government is dysfunctional now? We have not seen anything yet. It's gunna get really really bizarre.

Boners main priority.. repeal Obamacare. Yet they do not have enough votes to overturn Filibusters (without changing the rules again.. which they probably will do) But regardless they cannot overturn Vetoes.

Yeah.. this is going to go well.

Insanity... None of these folks that got hired are going to work on the peoples business.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 6, 2014 - 01:31pm PT
The right see's this guy as news anchorman today...

sad for the right...


[Click to View YouTube Video]
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 6, 2014 - 01:53pm PT
You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.
Abraham Lincoln

edited per correction by Apogee.
Quote by William John Henry Boetcker
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 6, 2014 - 01:54pm PT
'I need to see this play like I need a hole in the head.'
Abraham Lincoln
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 6, 2014 - 01:56pm PT
"The trouble with quotes on the internet is that it is difficult to determine whether or not they are genuine." -- Abraham Lincoln
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 6, 2014 - 02:55pm PT
Larry, you do realize that Lincoln quote regarding prosperity wasn't Lincoln's, right?

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/lincoln/prosperity.asp
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 6, 2014 - 03:06pm PT
Hey Apogee,
My bad. Makes the last Lincoln quote I posted look prophetic.
But I did post that quote because there are universal truths in it.
That's my belief. Others may believe differently.
Politics is just religion in a different arena.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 6, 2014 - 05:26pm PT

nobody is proposing doing any of these things.

Just them


That's why the map now looks like this


apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 6, 2014 - 05:30pm PT
TGT, you should keep that map around...it'll give you the kind of wood you haven't had in years.
Pennsylenvy

Gym climber
A dingy corner in your refrigerator
Nov 6, 2014 - 05:38pm PT
So, I'm trying to contact Dr.F about buying a couple of his amazing cacti....anyone know what rock I can turn over to find him PM me please and carry on with your ideological game of supertopo stratego.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 6, 2014 - 06:03pm PT
It's funny that most Republicans think that any form of wealth redistribution is going to affect themselves in a negative way.

Oh no, we don't want to rock the boat of the top 1%! Then where would this country be?

What a joke.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Nov 6, 2014 - 06:21pm PT
The other joke that is lost on the middle class repubs is the eternal cry for tax cuts...the only ones getting tax cuts are the 1% who by off -shoring their investments receive a tax break while the middle class republicans pay more to fill the void created by the off-shoring...Ha, ha...Dream on..
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Nov 6, 2014 - 06:41pm PT
WELCOME TO PLUTOCRACY.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 6, 2014 - 07:49pm PT
Dave Kos wrote:
It's apparent that these quotes are bogus when they are attributed to someone from the 18th or even early 19th century.

Doesn't matter to me if the quote is bogus or not. As I said, there is universal truth in the essence of what it says. I edited the quote later to attribute it to the person Snopes attributes it to. I hope you don't feel like this quote is targeting your political or religious beliefs.
WBraun

climber
Nov 6, 2014 - 09:23pm PT
Looks like the politards got all tired from politarding all day today.

Tomorrow they can start again renewed.

Saying absolutely worthless nothing again as usual ........
son of stan

Boulder climber
San Jose CA
Nov 6, 2014 - 09:36pm PT
Wbraun you are you not secretly smiling like all of us that
President Hussein does not seem to realize how suckie his job is going
to be for the next 2 years?
Special prosecutors for Holder and judge nominees laughed out of senate chambers, and the daily smirking at his lame duckieness.

Tvash

climber
Seattle
Nov 6, 2014 - 09:38pm PT
What's wrong with Holder exactly? Specific actions not agreed with. Great AG in my opinion.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 6, 2014 - 09:59pm PT
If you look at TGT's map, you'll notice that the blue is concentrated in all the places where people actually live.

As for class warfare:

“There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”

― Warren Buffett

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/26/business/yourmoney/26every.html?_r=0
John Ely

Trad climber
DC
Nov 6, 2014 - 10:39pm PT
Why did he squeek by with 17000 votes? Because he voted in a public school with a weak ass climbing gym on the wall....Blue jeans cool in Northern Virigina....


http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-polls-were-skewed-toward-democrats/
John M

climber
Nov 6, 2014 - 11:14pm PT
President Hussein does not seem to realize how suckie his job is going
to be for the next 2 years?

considering how many republicans on this site think dems don't want to work, it looks like Obama has set himself up for the perfect vacation. 2 years of doing nothing but vetoing. He can do that from anywhere. Then he gets lifetime salary and benefits. time to fire up air force one and see the world. And y'all thought he was an idiot..
crankster

Trad climber
Nov 7, 2014 - 06:41am PT

Wall Street Journal
Jobs Report: US Adds 214,000 Jobs; Unemployment Rate Falls to 5.8%

Hey, righties, here's the cure for Obama Derangement Syndrome...take it!
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Nov 7, 2014 - 06:46am PT
http://www.politicususa.com/2014/11/06/bernie-sanders-busts-boehner-terrifies-republicans-exposing-poisoned.html
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Nov 7, 2014 - 07:08am PT
this really sent the msg!
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Nov 7, 2014 - 07:11am PT
Except where the majority of citizens live.
crankster

Trad climber
Nov 7, 2014 - 07:12am PT
Here's a better chart, pyromaniac...

See the red part in 2008?...that's the mess the Republican president left.

pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Nov 7, 2014 - 07:16am PT
retail is hiring for the holiday'z!
gotta go find me a part time job..
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 7, 2014 - 07:17am PT
Not in office fr three days and I am already hearing that Ref*#ks want to repeal ACA....

I went from having insurgence provided by my employer (that I paid for from deductions taken by my company) to having no healthcare (Now Unemployed) to ref*#ks wanting to get rid of anything I have access to.

This is the reason I will die.
This is the reason I will despise every repfuk I meet.

What is the republican plan again...??

"Let'em die!!!!"


[Click to View YouTube Video]

Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 7, 2014 - 07:28am PT
Seems that most times this happens, the next price change will be having it end up one hell of a lot higher...

 Agreed...
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 7, 2014 - 07:38am PT
Because republicans are not for the people....

only for the corporations....

they don't have your best interest in mind...

[Click to View YouTube Video]

Corporate interested idiots...

repubs don't realize when they sh#t in their own hats!!!
They tonguewash the balls of any and every corporate executive that will give them their gold without ever realizing what they are giving away in the deal.

Repubs are Selling America Down The River

[Click to View YouTube Video]

You fools are far to happy with your winnings to look up to notice...

Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 7, 2014 - 08:03am PT
The fact that this President is getting advice from people that say, ‘You’re always right,’ is the problem,” Matthews said.

 After all, under Bush... things were so much different... "You're either with us, or with the enemy."

Who could possibly say don't go to war without being road our on a rail

[Click to View YouTube Video]

http://jpmadoff.com/


Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 7, 2014 - 08:04am PT
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 7, 2014 - 08:32am PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]

If you were worth your weight... you be pointing at something other than me...

(Here, in the first minute you hear about a major corporation, paying a settlement for selling mortgages that were toxic to the world economy... (i.e. unregulated anything they wanted to call it, top shelf bull sh#t in a fancy bag)...

(All the while, republicans were telling us it was the public's fault, they the public were responsible for signing the deals that were being presented to them by the banks..... this is why have have nothing but contempt for the modern republican tongue-washer of corporate CEO testicles.)

This is the world republicans are making for us.

They want no regulation... of anything!!!

They are as toxic as the water supplies they govern.


For the republicans
[Click to View YouTube Video]

 Unfortunately for me... I am one of the people that republicans want to let die. I am one of the people that they would like to forget ever happened. They would rather not even know that I exist at all.
They are Republicans
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Nov 7, 2014 - 08:53am PT
Sketch has a hard on for the this proud republican.


http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/meet-dr-chaps-gordon-klingenschmitt-colorados-new-anti-gay-demon-hunting-state-legislator
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Nov 7, 2014 - 08:54am PT
Thanks Jingy...The economic meltdown sponsored by the party of family values... the repub party in a nutshell...power corrupts...
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 7, 2014 - 08:57am PT

Good call Bob

True...
WBraun

climber
Nov 7, 2014 - 09:16am PT
The best president ever!!!!


He brought out all the politards to get together into the same room to kill each other off with their stupid arguments.

Once all these stupid politards are gone then the world will once again be free to live .......
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Nov 7, 2014 - 09:20am PT
Come on Sketch... do tell what laws/policies of Obama has affected you in a negative way. Gay marriage, healthcare? Lowering unemployment, immigration? Your 401k, killing Bid Laden?

Speak up.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Nov 7, 2014 - 09:21am PT
Sketch..TMI..
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Nov 7, 2014 - 09:23am PT
The new GOP...setting America back a hundred years, Gay bashers, religious nut jobs and racists.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/06/new-representatives-elect_n_6109016.html
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Nov 7, 2014 - 09:24am PT
Sketch wrote: First Dave,

then Bob,

now Jingy...

You're all het up about my erect penis.

Please stop.


You are the one who needs to stop, both hands must be raw by now.
WBraun

climber
Nov 7, 2014 - 09:51am PT
The old attorney general was a guy named "Holder"

The new attorney general will be "Lynch"

Hahahaha oooohhhh mannnn you Americans are hosed .....
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 7, 2014 - 10:29am PT
What have the last four years looked like to you?
[Click to View YouTube Video]

Sad pathetic republicans go on parade.

But no one will be able to hold them responsible for any of their actions while in office... or even in public...

Republicans mean no responsibility for them... only for you
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Nov 7, 2014 - 10:43am PT
Sketch and the Mitch McConnel crowd are butt-hurt because Obama turned the economy around without Republican help while improving the lives of many Americans..The Sketches long for better times when Americans were unemployed and losing their homes...The sketches failed in their mission to make Obama a one term president...The sketches won the battle but lost the war..Mission accomplished..LOL...
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Nov 7, 2014 - 10:45am PT
The GOP also lost on gay marriage. They are soundly winning the fight to dismantle education, a woman's right to choose, and concentrate the nations wealth in the hands of a few. They have also won some (and lost some) campaigns to suppress the minority and young vote.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Nov 7, 2014 - 10:52am PT
The best president ever!!!!

At least the cardboard cutout is smarter than the original.

Curt
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Nov 7, 2014 - 10:54am PT
Dumb as dirt republicans, the real reason they hate Obamacare, from Forbes.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2014/10/31/key-study-on-obamacare-2015-premium-rates-is-out-and-you-wont-believe-whats-going-to-happen/
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Nov 7, 2014 - 11:03am PT
Another one who just stepped off Noah's Ark...http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2014/11/04/west-virginia-elects-americas-youngest-state-lawmaker/?mod=e2fb&mg=blogs-wsj&url=http%253A%252F%252Fblogs.wsj.com%252Fwashwire%252F2014%252F11%252F04%252Fwest-virginia-elects-americas-youngest-state-lawmaker%253Fmod%253De2fb
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Nov 7, 2014 - 11:49am PT
Hilarious...should make Chief and Sketch happy.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120180/climate-denier-ted-cruz-may-lead-senate-science-subcommittee
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 7, 2014 - 11:59am PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]

Just like repubs.....
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 7, 2014 - 12:18pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]
crankster

Trad climber
Nov 7, 2014 - 12:57pm PT
Like I said, the lunatics are running the asylum now. Meet the next chair of the senate Environment and Public Works committee.
CrackAddict

Trad climber
Canoga Park, CA
Nov 7, 2014 - 03:39pm PT
While 65 percent of existing policies will see an increase in premium costs for 2015, the medium increase will be just 4 percent.

I thought Obamacare was supposed to make health care costs LOWER. This is still twice the rate of inflation, and it is on top of already astronomical rates.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Nov 7, 2014 - 05:02pm PT
Crack Addict...Single payer...
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 7, 2014 - 05:08pm PT
Why do repubs like charter schools?

Pay to play..
Segregated...
oh, and the nearly unlimited funds that can be got through opening them...

http://click.lists.propublica.net/?qs=8c5ab74cbcaa763183b511976d9cf75ece63531cd83f61ba91cd468a3cb52a64a4cb94aae26692e6

North Carolina Tells Charter-School Chain It Can’t Keep Administrator Salaries Secret

The schools’ management company, which receives millions in public funds each year from the schools, says that the salaries paid to school administrators should be considered a trade secret.

The North Carolina State Board of Education has issued a warning to a charter-school chain for failing to comply with an agency order to disclose the salaries of school administrators. The schools have been put on "financial probationary status," which could lead to sanctions if their board does not comply within 10 business days.

This is the same charter-school chain, Charter Day School, Inc., that ProPublica wrote about last month. As we reported, the four charter schools channel millions in public education dollars each year to for-profit companies owned by the schools' founder, businessman Baker Mitchell. One of the for-profit companies, Roger Bacon Academy, is paid to run all the day-to-day operations of the schools. As we wrote:

Roger Bacon Academy functions as the schools' administrative arm, taking the lead in hiring and firing school staff.

It handles most of the bookkeeping. The treasurer of the nonprofit that controls the four schools is also t he chief financial officer of Mitchell's management company. The two organizations even share a bank account.

Mitchell's management company was chosen by the schools' nonprofit board, which Mitchell was on at the time — an arrangement that is illegal in many other states.



But repubs would never do such a thing...
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Nov 7, 2014 - 05:34pm PT
For the likes of Chief and Sketch...https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=485015298234731
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 7, 2014 - 05:40pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]

Let's here a republicans tell us the truth about anything....?

Not one of your republic*#ks@ckers know what is being said here...
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 7, 2014 - 05:41pm PT
You thought wrong. Lowering the costs of insurance premiums was never a goal of ACA.




Controlling your life was.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Nov 7, 2014 - 05:53pm PT
Looks like it is controlling yours.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Nov 7, 2014 - 06:03pm PT
OK you two, put that laser pointer down. Angry Kitty's had enough.
crankster

Trad climber
Nov 7, 2014 - 06:18pm PT
Hey righties, what happened to the ebola crisis? Obama failed, we're all gonna die!!!
Didn't happen.

What happened to $5 gas, drill, baby, drill?
Didn't happen. Just paid $2.85/gal. Get your Hummers out of storage.

What happened to ISIS streaming over the border?
Don't see em.

What happened to the War on the Border? Where are the outraged bused-in patriots?
All that settled down.

What happened to the Bundy Ranch War?
Crazies went home.

What about the Duck Dynasty Dude? He's still a homophobe on the air, right?
Who cares.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 7, 2014 - 06:37pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]

yup.... They are batshit crazy

Reagan = Original Teabagger
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Nov 7, 2014 - 06:51pm PT
Exactly WHY they are wrong about everything.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Nov 7, 2014 - 06:53pm PT
da chief: re your comment


Me... I am staying right the fk here. Been to more countries around this globe than either Bobda or Jingy could ever dream of going to. Every continent and over 182 countries to be exact. After doing so for over 24 and years, I can clearly and unequivocally say, America is the Best Nation on this planet.



Makes me happy to see that we are both happy with our wonderful country.

At times I worry we exist in different worlds.

Jest think: we both like mountains, desert, climbing, firearms, fishing, &
solitude.

Glad to see we have so much in common, including voting for Obama.

and


The last 6 years have been best income years of my life.

wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Nov 7, 2014 - 07:05pm PT
GD Right "The Chief",I am very GRATEFUL for my freedoms.

But I do not get gratitude or pleasure from dissing another,as you do.

As far as spoiled goes,my family is gone ,I have worked as a Carpenter for 36 years.
Do you know any "spoiled carpenters".

Again ,it is always about you.

You should learn to live with opposing opinions,but why would you,you do not have to make a living.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Nov 7, 2014 - 07:11pm PT
Dude, you just gotta score some disability.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Nov 7, 2014 - 07:14pm PT
No thanks.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Nov 7, 2014 - 07:27pm PT
Chief can give your pointers.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Nov 7, 2014 - 07:39pm PT
"Chief could give you pointers"

Tvash,would you listen to any?

LTFOL.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Nov 7, 2014 - 08:20pm PT
I listen to all good advice.

As for non-stop butthurt, OK, I'll admit I can be a deaf at times.

I prefer songs with more than one note.

It's probably a lack of empathy ;)
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Nov 7, 2014 - 08:24pm PT
This guy must have got to the Chief in the Navy.


http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/colorado_elects_republican_exorcist_who_believes_gay_people_want_your_soul
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 7, 2014 - 09:12pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]

 what happened there?

repubs?

look at that crybaby face, just about in tears....


hahahahaha!!!
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Nov 7, 2014 - 10:28pm PT
Ah, the thinly veiled internet weapons threat. Who hasn't enjoyed a chuckle or two when this one gets trotted out?

Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 7, 2014 - 10:48pm PT

I have been cleaning and sighting in my weapons tonight, though.

 he's cleaning and sighting something....


You seem a little on edge and more frustrated than usual.

 nothing like projecting once tensions onto others to make it a little more clear, to Freud...


Please do share how cleaning, sighting in weapons and preparing for local shooting match in the morning, has anything to do with "thinly veiled threatening" of anyone with such?

 and its all for a world championship title!!!

Maybe even... a belt!

johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Nov 7, 2014 - 10:56pm PT
I saw four vehicles in the turning lane today and
all four were using their turn signals.


The GOP are already fixing
things that Obama couldn't.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Nov 7, 2014 - 10:58pm PT
Projectors gotta project.

Or something like that.

If the GOP can get the Ballardites to use their turn signals here, they've got my vote.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Nov 7, 2014 - 11:07pm PT
One has to care to hate, I believe.
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Nov 8, 2014 - 02:59am PT
two lessons for libs:

1. it's not your fault; it's what you've been taught

2. it's never too late to change and help make the whole world a better place

http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/11/04/im-a-diehard-liberal-it-ruined-my-parenting/

crankster

Trad climber
Nov 8, 2014 - 07:32am PT

Nov 7, 2014 - 10:56pm PT
I saw four vehicles in the turning lane today and
all four were using their turn signals.


The GOP are already fixing
things that Obama couldn't.

Funniest post of the week award.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Nov 8, 2014 - 08:28am PT
You just don't get it Chief...http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/01/the-23-best-countries-for-work-life-balance-we-are-number-23/250830/?utm_source=FB1103_05


You think the world revolves around you and your little group of warmongers.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro/2014/06/16/u-s-healthcare-ranked-dead-last-compared-to-10-other-countries/
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 8, 2014 - 09:14am PT
The chief - I don’t care if you are mother teresa…

If it were not for your politic, those vets your are trying to raise money for might still have their legs, because there would not have been a conflict that needed their REAL COURAGE in order for you to brag about doing this sh#t here in the safety of the US.

A list of truly amazing things with which to hold The Chief up on the pedestal he believes himself to be on

Oh yeah... graduated way early. In he tenth grade actually. Dec of 1973. Tested out with a 596 out of 625 possible.

Then went off and learned how to terminate stoooopid azzes around the world
here in the Best Country in the World.


This one deserves its own statement of truth added.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
[Click to View YouTube Video]

I retired and went on to got my BS in CG and then got my NCAC I & II Certs.
Been working with ARK/AGB's, addicts and Vets on and off for over 12 years now.
I have been cleaning and sighting in my weapons tonight, though.
It is a fund raiser for local disabled vets from the latest conflicts.


In mother teresa’s final hours, when requested that her chambermaids list all of the great things that the mother had done with her life, and all of the fine things she did, and count all the money she was responsible for raising and plotting little flags on a world map on the wall to show everywhere in the world she had traveled to… so that she would have the list fresh in her memory for when she got to heaven…


Much like the last couple of your whining “I’m really doing good”, “I count for more than you”, “I’ve been everywhere” self righteous yammering….

You are having this conversation alone now chief…

Here you go Chief… was this the one that set you off?

[Click to View YouTube Video]

yup.... They are batshit crazy

Reagan = Original Teabagger

or was it this one…

[Click to View YouTube Video]

 what happened there?

repubs?

look at that crybaby face, just about in tears....


hahahahaha!!!



Or, do you even understand what it means to go out, volunteer your time and effort and do such things to help fellow human beings in need of some monetary and medical assistance. Human beings that sacrificed tons so that spoiled whiney Jingy's can have the freedom to complain about totally dumazz meaningless shet which he does not agree with nor have absolutely any control over.

 All that just so you could point out the pointlessness of one human beings life… mine?

You spend your time in the most effective ways… Hence the name.

Not to mention, chief… that sounded almost socialist in nature… you sure you got rid of all that whiny liberal from your black heart?

Added after, from below...

To save others from having to look at this thread again on the front page:
Dude loves to toot his own horn... don't he?
we raised over $68,000 for local DV's and their families this morning.

 Look at all the good I do, compared to the loser Jingy... He's a shame...

Am I wrong?

Another from below Edit:
This one makes me laugh... If you read it in the voice of a snotty 12 year old it takes on a different feel..
Oh yeah... graduated way early. In he tenth grade actually. Dec of 1973.

 during a period of time when most of the nation was getting an idea of what coke was, I was pushed through with flying colors... all of it earned of course...

some of this kind of fits here too...
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Larry Nelson

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Nov 8, 2014 - 10:04am PT
k-man

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Nov 8, 2014 - 10:14am PT
And haters gonna hate ...

Apparently.