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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Dec 11, 2014 - 02:54pm PT
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Human nature is kinda part of the package. Let it be. Or try more control, yes that's what we need.
Here are your parameters of topics that don't incite indecent behaviour.
Not for me.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Dec 11, 2014 - 02:56pm PT
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If you are asking, that makes me think you'd like to see a solution to the negative, aggressive off-topic banter.... Easiest would be to make a secondary tab. "Climbers Forum" is just that - topics related, however loosely, to climbing. Make a separate tab called something like "Off Topic Blather," "NCR Forum"(Not Climbing Related), and let people have at it.
The line is a delicate one. The same topic started by one person might be viewed differently when started by someone with a history of baiting and trolling. I don't think it is so easy to draw a line as to what's acceptable. For one thing, half the guys here would be quite miffed if they can't occasionally make boob threads, which really, when you consider it, are as off topic as any political thread.
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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Dec 11, 2014 - 02:57pm PT
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The problem is not the subject matter or topic.
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LearningTrad
Trad climber
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Dec 11, 2014 - 03:00pm PT
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I think the subjects might be less important, and more the people typing them.
Keeping the most caustic posters banned will probably help the overall atmosphere here. Go away trolls! More trip reports please!
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Dec 11, 2014 - 03:00pm PT
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This thread will be a good example soon.
+1 climbing related tab
Leave all the junk here as is, if the OT crew needed to adapt to change the world might just end. Those who want climbing content are willing and ready to look elsewhere or go thru the arduous process of clicking on a tab next to TRs called "climbing threads" or whatever
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Dec 11, 2014 - 03:02pm PT
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when I am not arguing politics on the internet, I am teaching my goldfish to ride a bike.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Dec 11, 2014 - 03:03pm PT
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Human nature is to be partisan to our own beliefs. What I believe is right and what others believe is wrong. It inspires us to act and develop our awesome heuristic behaviors. What other choice do we have - we can't figure this all out in our heads!, even if we do believe that's what we do.
What do you want? Do that. And thanks!
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Dec 11, 2014 - 03:10pm PT
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I don't have a problem with that thread or any other politard thread. I never click on them.
The ebb and flow of supertopo is what keeps me around. I'd be bummed and probably leave if it got all sanitized and sh#t.
Thx for the forum Chris!
Cheers
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Dec 11, 2014 - 03:11pm PT
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Specifically, do blatantly political threads like "Why Republicans are wrong..." belong on SuperTopo?
No.
They are ruining our pristine neighborhood.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Aurora Colorado
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Dec 11, 2014 - 03:13pm PT
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For me, it's not the topic but the anger and meanness associated with certain subjects that's disturbing. I associate that with people posting anonymously. I think people are far more likely to attack others when they can hide their identities, and don't see any reason to allow people to post anonymously. (although I'm sure there are technical issues with verifying identities)
I never see it mentioned but I think women and minorities/ethnicities have a fairly tough time here. Of course, this may be due to my "libtard" outlook in general.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Dec 11, 2014 - 03:14pm PT
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Perhaps the question to ask isn't
When does OT become so far off that it doesn't belong?
but rather
When does that is OT become so partisan that it doesn't belong?
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Roots
Mountain climber
Tustin, CA
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Dec 11, 2014 - 03:17pm PT
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partition this site...most here ask for it, but nothing changes..just by your OP means you think something is wrong. Please DO SOMETHING to fix and modernize ST..
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MisterE
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Dec 11, 2014 - 03:21pm PT
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I don't have a problem with that thread or any other politard thread. I never click on them.
The ebb and flow of supertopo is what keeps me around. I'd be bummed and probably leave if it got all sanitized and sh#t.
Thx for the forum Chris!
+1 What The Larry said.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Dec 11, 2014 - 03:22pm PT
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I would love to be able to engage in off-topic discussions on all kinds of subjects, even including politics and religion, with most of the posters on this site.
But there are eight or ten people -- and we all know who they are -- whose idea of "discussion" is to scream "You're a f*#king as#@&%e, and everything you believe is not only stupid, but dead wrong." They ruin it for everyone else.
I guess my question to you, Chris, is why do you let that handful of people wreck things for everyone else? You know who they are, and you know that most of them don't post much climbing content, so why not give them one polite warning to stop ruining things for others, and just drop the axe if they don't heed you?
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Dec 11, 2014 - 03:22pm PT
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Only here will someone celled "Roots" be calling for segregation.
A gear whores wet dream ? Coloradocrack gear for sale
So on Topic yet perplexing.
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Dec 11, 2014 - 03:22pm PT
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It's off when Off Topic Marmot shows up. (Do a search.)
Speaking seriously though, it's nice to see you actually visit this subject, and ask for opinions. Here's my 2 buffalo nickels.
The way I see it, there are two options.
One, continue as you are and only delete threads once you get enough complaints on them/feel they aren't appropriate, or just let it roll unhindered. For a lot of folks, letting it roll doesn't work. My post count/visitation has shrunk dramatically over the last year as a result of the high amount of these threads. It becomes too much hassle to separate the wheat from the chaff, for me. I am well aware that I don't need to (and don't) click on what I don't want, but it's getting harder to even find the content that I want. At the same time, regulating the forum to climbing content only would not be a fair representation of who and what we are as climbers, not to mention creating a huge time investment for your staff to moderate it.
Two, create a separate tab, which the campfire has been requesting of you for years. Let the OT stuff roll there, unless it becomes a topic that is going to affect your business - I.E. losing a major sponsor because of the content. You run a business, we all understand that.
I feel that option #1 is costing you traffic, and affecting the quality content that used to be prevalent here. A lot of very good posters and quality climbers have turned their back on ST due to the bickering. On the other side, if you go to a method of nuking OT threads, you're also going to lose traffic because of the loss of content and people leaving due to post deletion. From an SEO perspective that's not the greatest idea either.
I would hazard to guess that if you did a poll, most users here would go for option #2. The disadvantage of the second option is that you will need to moderate more to keep an eye on the threads to ensure they don't turn into a garbage fest of attacks. A good example here is the 77 plane crash thread - you have had a poster there that has been attacking the OP for years and has completely destroyed the thread IMO, and yet you do nothing.
The other disadvantage is that you will have to have SOME form of structure, so that people know what's OT and what isn't. You shouldn't have to spell it out as we are supposedly all adults here, but it will have to be done.
The real question I would pose to you, Chris, is this:
Are you going to make a decision based on your business, or based on the community that has gathered here?
You're a businessman, but you are also a climber. I feel that you need to find a compromise that suits both, but you need to take some action one way or the other. To my eyes, the Taco has been disintegrating the last couple years. Nothing changes, if nothing changes.
At the end of the day, I know very well there is no way to make everyone happy. But speaking for myself, I'd really like to see a change on this subject.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Dec 11, 2014 - 03:31pm PT
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Personal attacks are the problem it seems to me. The subject matter is not the problem. Some people can handle disagreements in a funny or adult manner others not so much.. where to draw the line? How to draw the line? Tough calls sometimes. I personally do not find internet attacks on me to be worth more than a chuckle.. I dont behave that way here but I have on other forums. Can't say it ever bothered me unless it was someone I personally knew and cared about.
Most people don't have that thick a skin though and the behavior drives away people I really value. It derails some great conversations at times too.
I would try to concentrate on individual behavior instead of topic.
I'm really glad to have all topics on one forum page. It took a while to get used to but I do find myself checking out things I would not if segregated. Sometimes some real gems.
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caughtinside
Social climber
Oakland, CA
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Dec 11, 2014 - 03:34pm PT
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Once a month, look for the user with the greatest number of posts, and deactivate that account.
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SicMic
climber
across the street from Marshall
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Dec 11, 2014 - 03:35pm PT
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Chris- you continue to make the best argument for having the climbing forum separate from the OT forum. I can't imagine (but could be wrong) that it would be so difficult to part their ways. I, for one, don't mind some of the OT foolishness as it is easy to avoid. But the fact that you are soliciting input again shows your hesitation to take action. It's your campfire, gild it as you wish.
Mic
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