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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Sep 29, 2014 - 04:39pm PT
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The disgusting part is that we can't rely on the pamphlet PROs or CONs, statements in support or rebuttal, at all. Can only rely on the wording of the proposed statute, and there's no way to identify who has the integrity to tell it like it is and let the voters make informed decisions. That sucks. A democracy must be underpinned with easy access to accurate information and analysis to enable informed voting. Many voters give up because it's too difficult to figure out the truth, or even identify where are the gray areas subject to interpretation.
Ur right here, it is DISGUSTING!
What do we pay representatives FOR?
Hopefully soon we'll replace them with the Interweb
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Sep 29, 2014 - 04:55pm PT
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Why would anyone vote for a Republican? is this a trick question?
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Curt
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Sep 29, 2014 - 04:58pm PT
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We have almost eliminated the Republican problem in California.
Why do we need these Titles "Republican" and "Democrat" anyway????
Most issues don't easily fall on one side of the isle or the other.
Personally i like ideals from both sides. i guess that makes me a WHOLE person.
Jus like i'm a trad climber and a sport climber and a wall climber and a boulderer. A WHOLE climber! HeHe.
Three Cheers for The Whole Party! Hip-Hip, ok it's gay.
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Sep 29, 2014 - 05:31pm PT
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Curt
He's back!
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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Sep 29, 2014 - 05:37pm PT
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thank god, another political thread
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Sep 29, 2014 - 05:41pm PT
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For Federal office,
given no other input, I would vote Dem over Repub,
since I think on that level Repubs are the bigger crooks.
For state/local office, given no other info,
I would vote Repub,
until such time as the Democrats do not have such complete and corrupt control.
example - Toni Atkins Dem assembly, proposed an $80 per month diaper subsidy for each child.
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thebravecowboy
climber
hold on tight boys
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Sep 29, 2014 - 09:24pm PT
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shet, I'll vote for that in a second, NutAgain.
Nut
Again
fer prez
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Argon
climber
North Bay, CA
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Sep 29, 2014 - 09:57pm PT
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This one-party state knows how to do only two things - tax and spend. And most of the spending is wasteful. As bad as Sacramento is, San Francisco's Politburo (aka Board of Supervisors) is probably the worst legislative body not located in Pyongyang or Havana.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Moonbeam wants to keep the goodies flowing!
I suspect that the fix was in from the beginning and these bills were passed with a pre-arranged veto.
Just smoke and mirrors.
Brown was more vocal in his vetoes of measures, including one that would have slashed the value of gifts that state lawmakers and others can receive and barred them from continuing to accept free tickets to Dodgers and Lakers games, Beyonce concerts, Disneyland and green fees at Pebble Beach.
The governor also vetoed a bill that would have barred elected officials from contributing campaign funds to nonprofit groups owned or operated by their family members or to pay for the official’s mortgage, rent, utility bills, clothing, club memberships, vacations, tuition, vehicles and gifts to family members.
The bill by Sen. Jerry Hill (D-San Mateo), SB 831, also would have required elected officials to disclose the destination of travel and mandates that nonprofits that pay for the trips disclose which entities donated the money.
Another bill rejected by the governor would have required the state to develop a new, publicly accessible Internet campaign reporting system and require that candidates use it to electronically file their campaign finances every calendar quarter, rather than semi-annually. The bill, SB 1442, is by state Sen. Lara.
The vetoed bills were introduced as part of an effort by Senate leaders to regain public confidence in the Legislature following the suspension of three Democratic state senators after they were charged with criminal wrongdoing.
http://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-gov-brown-vetoes-a-package-of-ethics-bills-20140930-story.html
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crankster
Trad climber
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Yeah, I'd say folks are so fed up that Neel Kashkari will beat Jerry Brown by a landslide.
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dirtbag
climber
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I voted for Kashkari in the primary because I do not want to see a nutjob like Donelly have a shot at actually becoming governor. I plan to vote for Brown next month.
It's a shame that the Republican Party is dominated by kooks. We need a viable, vigorous second party. Until then, unless a Dem candidate is fatally flawed, I will not vote Repub.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"It's a shame that the Republican Party is dominated by kooks. We need a viable, vigorous second party. Until then, unless a Dem candidate is fatally flawed, I will not vote Repub."
That's an excellent way to express the current status.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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This state now has a majority of zero liability voters and a Sacramento single party system.
It's gonna keep getting worse till it finally collapses.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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One party states tend to breed corruption. A foil of any kind keeps em sorta honest.
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CrackAddict
Trad climber
Canoga Park, CA
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In California, college students have to have a lawyer present to have sex now.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Vote for a republican! No, not anywhere, never, not under any circumstances....no, no, no! One needs to maintain at least some small standard of decency.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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I do live in Ca.
I would never vote republican.
It would effectively be voting against my own interest.
They have nothing to offer me.
They have no view of the future that I can see or that I could say I can even agree with.
The only seem to hold "Business" above "People" and I cannot agree with that.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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I live in Cali.
I would vote for one if he/she wasn't an idiot.
Preferably one who distanced themselves far from the party line.
To me, Republican means smaller government, less taxes.
In reality you get the exact opposite from Repubs.
To me Gov. Jerry Brown is the best damn republican, per the dictionary definition, we've ever had.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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They have nothing to offer me
That says it all.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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To me, Republican means smaller government, less taxes.
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To me Gov. Jerry Brown is the best damn republican, per the dictionary definition, we've ever had.
They have nothing to offer me
That says it all.
California may be full of nutjobs, but this page still shows some sanity.
Unfortunately, both major political parties in California are dmoniated by people who think they know more, have higher moral standards, and therefore have the right to impose their preferences on the rest of us.
I miss the "good old days" when California was still a Western state, and politicians from both parties shared a pragmatic ideology, i.e. if something works, it's good and worth supporting; if it doesn't work, don't keep pushing it. Both parties also understood that governmental policy is not a zero-sum game.
Instead we have both major parties engaged in zero-sum politics. Those dominating statewide Republican party politics feel any tax, government service or regulation is bad, and all would be well if we only could deport all those nasty undocumented residents (except those we underpay to work for us); those dominating Democrats' policies feel that any tax, government service or regulation is good, and all would be well if only we took the money from the rich (except, of course, from rich Democrats). (I use "feel" rather than "think" for obvious reasons).
Meanwhile, the partisans continue to make California into an east coast partisan state, unaware that its politics no longer match its geography.
John
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