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WBraun
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Nov 17, 2014 - 01:25pm PT
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Yes, you should never imitate.
Just as the fool who watched the vet hit the horse with a mallet into his throat to dislodge the stuck item in there.
The fool next thought that's all it takes to become a veterinarian.
Just hit anything with mallet and cured ......
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Nov 17, 2014 - 01:32pm PT
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i can show you where to milk a bull...it's quite easy,,,
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 17, 2014 - 01:37pm PT
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Oh I do know myself as I truly am, very well.
Interesting that your true self will let people like ISIS do whatever they want, because you believe it's all being controlled by American puppet masters.
If you were in the teeth of ISIS you would feel differently about the American military. Sorry, but ISIS won't give you a pass because you believe in the gross material self and Hindu gods and reincarnation.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 17, 2014 - 01:39pm PT
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You're making sh!t up and projecting that bullsh!t onto me.
I don't support any such bullsh!t you're fabricating in your fertile mind.
You are being an idiot .....
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 17, 2014 - 01:58pm PT
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If you don't support it, then what would you do about it?
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 17, 2014 - 02:04pm PT
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What do think I'm doing about all this?
Are you a fool?
You think you're only person around that has a tiny iota of clue whats going on?
You spend way to much time with your biased Military rah rah to do any serious research.
Just hit a few web sites and you "know".
Don't delude yourself so easily about what people really know ......
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 17, 2014 - 02:05pm PT
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Thanks for the non-answer as to what the solution is.
Edit:
You spend way to much time with your biased Military rah rah to do any serious research.
I can only imagine the sites you visit for your serious research, heh....
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Nov 17, 2014 - 03:04pm PT
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The first step is to realize the world is run by those with power and money who are sometimes at war with one another. Borders largely don't matter much, nor does religion although those things are used as tools to divide and conquer.
So when you hear about Americans vs. XYZ or Jews vs KKK, it's all nonsense marketing sh!t for us peons to believe in and rally in our prospective corners of the field with the rest of our wooly flock.
And the sad part is it works and will likely always work.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 17, 2014 - 06:34pm PT
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I'm glad you're here, Moose.
Me, too. The Moose is a positive presence.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Nov 17, 2014 - 06:36pm PT
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So are all the chicks..
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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Nov 17, 2014 - 08:33pm PT
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I can only imagine the sites you visit for your serious research, heh.... Lunker landed using trolling rig.
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Degaine
climber
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Nov 18, 2014 - 01:45am PT
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The Chief wrote:
My POP came over with his direct family in 1936 at the age of ten, from Germany (a little town just SE of Berlin, Eichwalde). Lost half of the the family that remained during WWII.
My Mom lived through the Spanish Civil War in Puente Genil and Cordoba. Lost two of her four brothers and three Uncles.
They both stood firm in defending this nation in any way possible up till they both died three years ago. And regardless some of the faults within this Nation, they both stated repeatedly and emphatically throughout my life that it is the Greatest Nation on this planet. That too was up till their last breaths taken.
Nuff said.
Honestly sorry to read about your parents' respective families. I'm clearly a lot younger than you, so it's my grandparents / great grandparents whose families in Eastern Europe were slaughtered during WWII(my grandparents were able to make it to the US beforehand).
I alone have met hundreds of people with a similar story to yours and mine. There are hundreds of thousands of people in the US who could also write something similar.
That's the story (at least one of them) of the USA, people escaping tyranny and/or coming here in search of a better life.
I thought this was a free country where criticism is not only allowed but encouraged. When you wade through insults and ad hominem attacks on this site, regardless of political leanings, it appears to me that the criticism comes from wanting to make the US a better place. Didn't you spend a career fighting for that freedom, for that right?
Ironic then, don't you think, that you demand that Moose fall in line lockstep with your opinion and not dare criticize this country - is that mentality not the reason your family, mine, and that of so many others were slaughtered during the period leading up to and during WWII? Is that not the reason Moose and his family left Poland? To live in a country where one has the right to criticize?
It's one thing not to agree with his opinion, it's a whole other ball of wax to tell him in so many words to STFU and leave if he doesn't like it.
After all, we're not talking about tioga.
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Degaine
climber
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Nov 18, 2014 - 01:46am PT
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The Chief wrote:
Carry on you whiner Liberal Utopian fantasy seeking freaks.
Pot calling the kettle black, don't you think? All you do in here day in and day out is whine.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 18, 2014 - 05:41am PT
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Gun control works, for tyrannical govts..
Good point! Because of that gun control the Poles are still a puppet state of the Soviet Union.
Oh, wait...
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Nov 18, 2014 - 06:42am PT
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~40 Americans were murdered throughout the US just yesterday...
THE HORROR!
The world is a big place. Policy dictating dropping tens of thousands of pounds of ordinance on foreign lands should not be driven by the murder of Americans who choose to be in foreign locations.
9/11... like Pearl Harbor... did not give us the right to incinerate two civilian population centers with nuclear fire. But we did...
And although I'm not sure who's being 9/11, the entire episode reeks of something rotten. The official story makes no sense.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Nov 18, 2014 - 06:45am PT
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 18, 2014 - 07:20am PT
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9/11... like Pearl Harbor... did not give us the right to incinerate two civilian population centers with nuclear fire. But we did...
I think you miss the point. It was the way the Japanese were conducting themselves across the entire Pacific, and the way they were treating many millions of civilians, that was the cause of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Of course it's way more complex than that, but the Japanese had no one but themselves to blame. Pearl Harbor drew us into the war, but didn't dictate the way the rest of the war was conducted.
Likewise, the official company line is skewed, as usual, in this case. But there seems to be little doubt in my mind that ISIS must be stopped. The depth of their evil far exceeds ours, in my mind.
War is a shitty business. Perhaps you've noticed.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Nov 18, 2014 - 08:27am PT
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But there seems to be little doubt in my mind that ISIS must be stopped.
Perhaps. But killing ISIS and killing off extreme Islam, are two different things.
Politically, it's possible ISIS can be smothered relatively quickly by a coalition of Shia, various Sunni tribes and Western air power. Seems logical, at some point, cities grow weary of foreigners coming in telling them how to behave and enforcing it with Medieval punishments.
However it's impossible for the non-Islamic world to kill the ideology of Jihad. It's been going on for over a thousand years. The only hope toward reigning it in, is to allow the process to vent. Until if/when the Islamic World gets sick of it.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 18, 2014 - 08:59am PT
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I agree John.
Killing ISIS is only a small part of radical Islam/Jihad. I totally agree that the Muslim world is the one who truly needs to come to grips with this.
They seem to be moving slowly toward that thinking. My experience with Arabs in particular is that they are shaking hands and kissing cheeks while stabbing each other in the back. The fact that Sunni countries are part of the new coalition is important.
In the meantime, ISIS needs to know that they must keep their pious evil little heads down......
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 18, 2014 - 09:55am PT
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The only hope toward reigning it in, is to allow the process to vent. Until if/when the Islamic World gets sick of it.
The only way Islam will moderate its medieval practices is through
economic coopting. Middle class people gots no time for radicalism
cause they're too busy shopping and living large.
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