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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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When did Pennis Miller stop being funny?
A long long long time ago. Unless you're Rush Scumbaugh, then he's your favorite dude ever.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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When did Pennis Miller stop being funny? After his knees started knocking post 911?
So now he's dick? Kinda like black conservatives and Hollweird conservatives? Once you come out of the closet you get thrown under the bus?
Do you realize how fascistic you guys sound? Persecuted for their beliefs?
You guys are really tolerant aren't ya?
Conservative=dick, progressive=enlightened?
I think the opposite is more accurate.
EDIT: Better yet, the Iraqis should hire the IDF, they're very cost effective.
They can't do that, the PC world would be up in arms if more Jews started killing murderous Islamists.
(Don't tell anybody but the Mossad is prolly already there)
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Trench has a lot of room. They must be expecting to fill it.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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nah. lots of conservatives r cool peeps.
Conservatives aren't all dicks, but you are, Blue.
At some level, you already know that. No one lacks that much self awareness.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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It's very weak to send combat troops into a hot shooting arena and telling them not to shoot anything. It's downright selfish of the prez to do this.
Either go all-in and start killing things, or don't put our guys in the crosshairs!
Who the f*#k made the decision to pull the 15000 troops out of Iraq less than a year ago? It wasn't the generals.
Not only is this president incompetent, but he's dangerous. And not to our enemies. To us.
EDIT: Conservatives aren't all dicks, but you are, Blue.
I'm so offended.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Blue...it was the American people that wanted the USA out of Iraq...it was costing the tax payers 8 billion a month and accelerating the national debt and we all remember how broke our country was..? right? Where's the fiscal conservatives when we start shipping our teenagers over seas to die.....This is what Obama campaigned on and he kept his promise...i agree with you on killing the bad guys but at what point does the USA stop playing world cops when it can't govern it's own borders..It seems like the repubs take the opposite tack on anything Obama proposes....First the Repubs wanted to keep troops in Iraq and now that he's putting 1,500 of our troops back in the Repubs are crying foul on keeping our troops out of Iraq.....? I'm not an Obama worshiper but when the repubs try to con the voters with their sudden policy changes it makes our political system look suspect...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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RJ, when you expend the amount we did in Iraq, you don't play politics with it. That is all Obama did. For political reasons.
If there was anywhere, any conflict where we should leave a reinforced base for decades, it would be Iraq (maybe Afghanistan too).
You can argue whether we should be there in the first place, and that's a solid argument, but once you go you have to go all-in and commit to it.
The fiscal argument is a bit irrelevant. As a consequence of our indecisions to leave troops there, look where we are today. Spending more and more money dropping JDAMS and Hellfires on trucks.
Mission Accomplished?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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What's really bizarre is that one of the reasons to depose Saddam was to eliminate a local threat, and to create a Western-hospitable regime. A moderate regime that the world could deal with. That's the way I see it.
Iraq was also a local counter to Iran. Now that is almost completely lost. We are quite literally dealing with the devil now, and it pisses me off.
Iran was always a bigger threat to the world than Iraq. Iraq needed a smackdown for what they did to the Kurds in Halabja and the Saudis/Kuwaitis, but Iran needs a good nuking.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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If there was anywhere, any conflict where we should leave a reinforced base for decades, it would be Iraq (maybe Afghanistan too).
You can argue whether we should be there in the first place, and that's a solid argument, but once you go you have to go all-in and commit to it.
My answer to the first statement is, 'Fort Apache'.
My answer to the second is that we never went 'all-in' because:
A. It's no longer PC to go 'all-in' these days and we're too limp-wristed.
B. We never had a clearly defined mission which, of course, makes it even
harder to go 'all-in'.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Reilly, you're right, of course. And even under Bush/Rumsfeld we had pussified, politically-correct Rules Of Engagement (ROE).
We should not engage in hostilities anymore if we're going to put illogical restrictions on our combat forces. We are THE most humane combat force in the world when the shooting starts, we do NOT need special rules that inhibit our forces from killing bad guys that we asked them to kill!
And I don't care if our guys piss on their dead bodies either. Just don't take a picture of it....leave it in the field.
We did much worse to Gerry and the Japs.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Nov 10, 2014 - 04:36pm PT
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Listen up when Bluey uses his vast experience to pontificate on military matters.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Nov 17, 2014 - 11:38am PT
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Rules Of Engagement (ROE).
didn't that have something to do with mothers against war?
those Kurdish women fighters are kicking ass!
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 17, 2014 - 12:47pm PT
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F*#k ISIS.
They've killed a lot more Muslims than they have Americans, but it's ok because they're the true Muslims. Just like various Christian sects are the true believers.
And yet werner will tell us that religion is not the problem.
This is NOT all America's fault. These groups were hating each other long before the USA started trying to suck oil out of there. So blaming it all on the USA is just part of your own personal propaganda shell game to justify whatever you believe.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Nov 17, 2014 - 12:51pm PT
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We will never fix that area of the world militarily, but makes it convient to distract the American people as needed from the lack of progress on domestic issues.
We don't understand that all of the locals are using us for their own agenda, and they don't care how many American's die in the process.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 17, 2014 - 01:07pm PT
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But makes it convient to distract the American people as needed from the lack of progress on domestic issues.
The politarded idiots create these distractions to keep the survivals of America occupied and fixated away from what's really important.
They are masters of creating illusions for the masses to fall into to keep them under control.
Without controlling the masses there will be no masters.
The illusionary Democrazy system always has masters in the background.
There's no escape for the materially conditioned souls from their masters ......
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 17, 2014 - 01:16pm PT
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keep the survivals of America occupied and fixated away from what's really important.
What is it that's really important Werner? Maybe you can tell me in a form that's understandable, rather than a double speak riddle within an enigma? Just make it plain English, c'mon bro.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 17, 2014 - 01:18pm PT
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Know thy self as you truely really are ......
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Nov 17, 2014 - 01:19pm PT
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I filled my gas tank with water and now my truck won't run...last time i listen to you braun...
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