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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Aug 12, 2014 - 05:33pm PT
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Real men go out into the wilderness where you don't have to pay to camp.
Not just men.
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 12, 2014 - 05:37pm PT
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You have to pay too.
You pay to drive there.
You buy tons of gear to camp in your govt. owned wilderness and living on it's sponsored dole to be able to use that wilderness.
Thus you're ultimately still a pussy because you didn't stay in Camp foul (4).
:-)
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The Call Of K2 Lou
Mountain climber
North Shore, BC
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Aug 12, 2014 - 05:49pm PT
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Thanks to Khanom and The Fet for the advice. Apologies for the thread hijack.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
in the oil patch...Fricken Bakken, that's where
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Aug 12, 2014 - 06:08pm PT
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Well, THIS is sure disintegrating fast....Hope you got some useful info and enjoy your stay, Mitch.
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mastadon
Trad climber
crack addict
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Aug 12, 2014 - 06:50pm PT
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I'm with Donini on this one. Don't. The place is totally contaminated. Even the dirt is dirty. You could pour a concrete dome over Camp 4 and let it sit for 10,000 years and it would still be contaminated.
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bergbryce
climber
East Bay, CA
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Aug 12, 2014 - 07:09pm PT
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You'll get scabies and you won't get any sleep from morons opening and closing their screechy bear boxes all night in camp 4. I opted to "sleep" at mybuddies site the night before doing steck-salathe. Alarm went off early and I realized I probably didn't sleep even 30 minutes all night. Yes, I was scared of the climb but that cesspool is an anti - sleep nightmare.
If you try the language barrier act go with french. All (traveling) Germans speak/read passable to excellent english.
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Trad is Rad
Trad climber
San Luis Obispo California
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Aug 12, 2014 - 08:08pm PT
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if your staying in camp 4 yer doin it wrong, its all about the bushes behind the court.
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jstan
climber
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Aug 12, 2014 - 10:36pm PT
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Very strange.
C4 is dirty!
Maybe dirt is what we belong in. Rather than head off to the bushes and there create another dirty place while trying to resurrect some remembered perfect experience, maybe dirt is best for you. If it is bad you will be motivated to go out and clean C4 so it is just a little closer to that mystical remembered experience. Then you have done something of real value.
We assume we are entitled to perfection.
Have never felt that way. We are here to deal with whatever is here.
Just as we do on climbs.
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 12, 2014 - 10:55pm PT
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Me and Warbler lived in Camp 4 for years.
Warbler rolled in the dust of the previous masters who lived in Camp 4.
Thus Warbler became a master of rock himself.
Pussies stay in clean un-dirty places and never get the dust of previous masters.
Thus they become pussies ...... :-)
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 12, 2014 - 10:59pm PT
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So why were you hard men always scheming on getting showers?
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jstan
climber
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Aug 12, 2014 - 11:00pm PT
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I suggested that several years ago. Forget to whom. One worry is the fire hazard. I can't say this is entirely persuasive. But let me ask. Why make C4 more pleasant? You will just have greater numbers of climbers who cannot be served. Even more pissed off people. Leave C4 similar to the small bumpy and dirty ledges we sleep on. Good conditioning.
My first couple of years climbing I had no sleeping pad. Sleeping on stones was just part of the experience. Then I wussed out and it was all down hill from there.
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Aug 13, 2014 - 12:54am PT
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Do yourself a favor and pay for a real campground, its worth every penny.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Aug 13, 2014 - 03:29am PT
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Reilley asked So why were you hard men always scheming on getting showers?
So they could get a shot at the one woman.
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mastadon
Trad climber
crack addict
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Aug 13, 2014 - 06:24am PT
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For all you C4-ites that may have had LEO trouble in the 70's; I just saw an obituary for Donald Pitts in the Mariposa paper...
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Aug 13, 2014 - 09:37am PT
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My recollection is that while many showers were stolen, they weren't nearly enough.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Aug 13, 2014 - 10:15am PT
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Good times - no phone no rent no insurance no taxes no electricity no hot water no mail no kids no dogs no fees no limits no kiosk no cement logs no rangers
Kevin... The Best of Times.
I think that there will never be another place where a climber can go and soak in "the life" and get really good at climbing. No more can you save up some cash and go spend a season climbing. The rules and regulations in the Valley and at JT dont take to 60 day free stays. We were so very lucky.
One of my new climbing partners, with about 1.5 years experience, just spent the month of MAY in C4 .... she learned a ton about climbing and came back a much more solid and confident climber.
She enjoyed the scene, climbed with folks from all over globe and most importantly....learned how to avoid the LAW, and get past the stupid 7 day limit.
True life skills.
Mitch... enjoy your stay.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Aug 13, 2014 - 10:45am PT
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Leave C4 similar to the small bumpy and dirty ledges we sleep on. Good conditioning I've never had a bad night in C4.
Of course in the Bad Old Days we just trudged up C4 gully a few hundred yards and bivvied beneath the boulders. Brewed up in the Lodge parking lot before the Nasty Rasty trailers were installed.
I met a number of interesting people in C4. Some are now famous, most of them not so much. A small few who hang here.
Sure C4 can be a frigid soggy mess in the winter. Not nearly as bad as Upper Refrigerator which now is the only year round car campground in the Valley. Talk about cold! Why do they keep it open year round when it only gets about 2 hours of sun in the winter? And that's the TOTAL for the winter.
I've had some very amusing nights in C4.
and like jstan said, great conditioning. It's been a pleasure a couple of times to bivvy out when returning was not an option.
or to quote a famous Jewish Fiddler......"Traditionnnnnnn........Traditionnnnnnn!!!"
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arkansasmitch
Trad climber
conway, AR
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 14, 2014 - 10:06am PT
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Thanks for all of the input guys and gals! I'm definitely planning to stay in Camp 4. Like Werner says, how can I ever expect to be great if I don't roll around in the dust of "the greats". In fact, I better bring my 2 year old daughter and roll her around in it too just to get her started right! I'll be showing up Thursday morning coming down from Tuolumne so I'll try to get there by 6am for sure. Thanks again!
Mitch
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Climbnc
Trad climber
Carrboro, NC
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Aug 18, 2014 - 10:39am PT
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The September the 15th date is when the 14 day / 7 nights in the valley camping limit in the park is lifted. We were there on the 14th last year and got in line early (6), but there were spaces available almost all day. That was also the time of the end of the edge of the world fire, which may have kept the traffic down.
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