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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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Jan 30, 2015 - 12:53pm PT
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So, is there going to be a hardware spinoff?
That's how BD got started in the first place.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Jan 30, 2015 - 01:46pm PT
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It's cute that some of you actually believe modern corporations have a fiduciary duty to their shareholders. In theory? Sure. In practice? Hahahahaha!!111!1
I'm really going to enjoy hearing the explanations of how $10+M salaries and golden parachutes for c-suite execs, who as often as not are complete failures who destroy the company in the process, meets that standard of duty to the shareholders.
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 30, 2015 - 05:41pm PT
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They can sell lots of clothing.
All you need is that justin beiber teeny bopper dude to model your stuff.
Then all those stooopid kids will buy your junk .....
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jul 16, 2015 - 06:32am PT
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How's "all this" gonna affect their sponsorship of the Yosemite Facelift?
Wait and see, I guess.
Ken Yager, know anything about that?
I sure like the BD key-ring/horizontal/bottle opener they handed out last year. It's not that great at any of the three tasks, but was a nice gesture.
Is Zeena related to Luke?
Or is that just a fluke?
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Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
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Jul 17, 2015 - 05:16pm PT
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I really wonder what motivated the decision to move production back to the US. My guess: near-identical knockoff gear emanating from some of the same sources but without the same levels of QC.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Thinking that the 30+ year old Son Of Crag pack had stood up so well,
And that given some doom and gloom from this thread. . It made me think that the quality of
BD products might suffer .
So after a comment from a young climber; saying that he thought there was a picture of his grandmother wearing the same pack,
and then when I Next talked to him to plan to go back and finish what we started,
he said that it was his grandfather 's pack
and his grandmother had a matching black and purple one (smaller, daughter of crag?).
I pulled the trigger and bought a new BD Stone 45 'rope bag'
The thing is a piece of shjt. It has no full strength anything the grab loops AND the tool loops
are ribbons barely sown into the trim
They alone are Criminally Negligent !
The pak is not fully lined and the bottom has some sort of two cents crap fiber,
(Instead of an ensolite type pad)
permanently sandwiched Between the only 3 inch up the bag bottom.
leaving a seam running at the highest friction /Rub point, where the pack rides on your hips is a dirt magnet seam.
Then it has an un-protected zipper on the out side face of the pack off center, but no Velcro
storm flap when it needs 2 - one inside providing a gasket to stop dumpage and a full length, fully
Velcro'd, water proof storm flap on the outside. one only has to try the pack on to know it is a piece of junk.
When I called to tell them they told me it was not a climbing pack??
The designation of'Rope bag" disappeared from the web site and my ability to post reviews was blocked
RIP to what has been my decadent source of over priced gear , I could not justify retail prices
Back when I climbed every day, Now that I get out much less and never go far
I can't afford gear that is made to fail .
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Time for Yvon to restart his blacksmith shop. Pitons by BD will be rare items, it seems.
Maybe they'll by the old EB factory and start making shoes. Anybody up for a Climbing Clog?
But, finally it looks like somebody decided to tackle the trigger-wire problem. This looks cool:
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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When I called to tell them they told me it was not a climbing pack??
Gnome, sounds like you bought the Rope Bag online, before inspection.
+1 for what Dingus said, but likely too late now to return it.
Sometimes you get great deals online, other times you pay the price.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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I am humored when I travel to Boston and every other person on the subway is decked out in TNF gear. If they do it in Boulder or Seattle without comment, then why not Boston. I had to go to Boston in March, and though I didn't see anyone in an outdoor brand jacket, I sure wish I had brought mine with me. I wouldn't have been so cold. Tourist.
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haleyd
Trad climber
SLC
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+1 for what Dingus said, but likely too late now to return it.
Maybe, maybe not. Retailers are people too. I'm guessing BD will work with you.
Don't call to complain though. Don't be lecturing them on the shitty quality or lack of utility. Rather, express your disappointment that the product does not fulfill your needs. Try to work to a solution. Even if they won't refund you any cash, or give you full credit, politely insist on satisfaction. But don't threaten them (I'll never come back if you don't do x...) - that is totally ineffective.
Maybe a different pack or some other article, if you've already used the rope bag a bit you cannot expect a full refund. Work to a solution, rather than bitch at them, and I'm guessing they'll meet you more than half way.
DMT
I work next to the lady that Gnome spoke with. Telling the customer service rep that she's a piece of sh#t and making her cry usually doesn't bode well in terms of them wanting to help you out.
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