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cintune

climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Jul 23, 2014 - 06:38pm PT
I know, right? Bestest imaginary friend EVER!!!!!
go-B

climber
Cling to what is good!
Jul 24, 2014 - 03:19am PT
DESTINATION, David Jeremiah
DESTINATION, David Jeremiah

The hardest thing that Jesus had to endure was not that Judas betrayed Him, that Peter denied Him, or being nailed to the cross, but that the Father had forsaken Him! And that He did for you and me so that the Father would not forsake us, THANK YOU JESUS!!!
7SacredPools

Trad climber
Guelph, Ontario, Canada
Jul 24, 2014 - 08:24pm PT
the Father had forsaken Him! And that He did for you and me so that the Father would not forsake us

Worst. Dad/creator. Ever.
moosedrool

climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jul 25, 2014 - 11:41am PT
Interesting, but not really surprising:

Children Exposed To Religion Have Difficulty Distinguishing Fact From Fiction, Study Finds

Young children who are exposed to religion have a hard time differentiating between fact and fiction, according to a new study published in the July issue of Cognitive Science.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/21/children-religion-fact-fiction_n_5607009.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063

Moose
Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Jul 25, 2014 - 12:23pm PT
yea, religion has its place.
those chicks are the best.
the one's strung out on hollow beliefs.

they got pent up sexual frustrations
and misplaced guilt.
these act like a synthetic hymen,
and when you finally breach
that shite they become fornication
superstars.

yea. religion has its place.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
Jul 25, 2014 - 12:42pm PT
I will have to disagree with Donini ... and I like the guy. Great climber. Inspirational even.



Christopher Columbus, love him or hate him, he did move the Americas into a new direction. It would never be the same ever again. It was 1492 ... he had to leave Spain but fast. He couldn't risk being discovered.

He was a Messianic Jew. He was a Crypto-Jew who believed in The Messiah, Yeshua HaMashiach, aka Jesus the Messiah. He had to hide his Jewish ancestry and his Judaism, since at that time while he was leaving Spain, a certain evil Spanish Catholic Queen was putting Jews to death if they did not convert, and stop their practice of Judaism. Apparently she didn't get the memo. Yeshua HaMashiach was a devout Orthodox Jew, who practiced Judaism, and he had come not to abolish the Law, The Torah, but to fulfill it. And he taught others to do so in like manner. He did not come to start a new religion. Simply Judaism, but now with Messiah. Messiah had come.

So yes, you can say we started with Messianic Judaism in a sense.



WAS CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS A MESSIANIC JEW?
http://www.ramsheadpress.com/messiah/ch16.html

Short answer Yes. The evidence says so.




Our nation was founded on Judeo-Christian values. Our laws are modeled after and written from the Ten Commandments.



The Judeo-Christian Values of America
By Ronald R. Cherry
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/09/the_judeochristian_values_of_a.html


We certainly started this way, it was founded this way, as a "Christian" nation. What we are today is another matter.

We need to get back to G-d, back to the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Back to HaShem Adonai Elohim. Then you will see the nation healed, and then it will prosper. I pray for that.









Tvash

climber
Seattle
Jul 25, 2014 - 01:05pm PT
"Our nation was founded on Judeo-Christian values. Our laws are modeled after and written from the Ten Commandments."

This worn out little meme is still looking for its supporting evidence. Funny, it's never represented. Oh wait - the Declaration (not our founding charter), In God We Trust and the Pledge of Allegiance (added in the 1940s and 50s). OK!

A mountain of evidence has already been presented here to illustrate the true origins of human rights - both embodied in the Constitution and prior to America's founding.

Hint: It's not Christianity. At all.

Quite the opposite. Christianity borrowed pre-existing ideas - it brought nothing new under the sun at all - although the movement did popularize some. I won't waste the space to repeat any of it.

Aaaand Christianity also borrowed many other well worn ideas - bigotry, Us v Them exclusivity, Absolute Truth (as represented by arguably the most cartoonish, nonsensical theology of all time)the tried and true ideas of bigotry - we're saved, you're not, women as chattel, gays are destroying the world, etc.

Death sucks. Please provide a cartoon we can watch that tells us it isn't so.
scrubbing bubbles

Social climber
Uranus
Jul 25, 2014 - 01:12pm PT
^^^^tvash...true believers think Christ is a messiah "not of this world"

A supernatural, cosmic figure in history. Therefore, he borrowed nothing from ancient myth.

If you think that's pure bullshitt, then of course everything is fraudulent and "borrowed"
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Jul 25, 2014 - 01:17pm PT
I know.

When Mighty Mouse comes up short, you just render in a new super power.

The Christian Nation meme needs to be countered - over and over. We should be proud of the secular humanist society we've built. We need to continue to distance ourselves from history's most used justification for bigotry - religion. We need to wipe this baby crap off our shoes and step up to all the promise true modernity holds for us.

Fortunately, the upcoming generation seems to get this.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
Jul 25, 2014 - 01:39pm PT
Yes, modern Christianity ties into "borrows" from Judaism, hence the name Judeo-Christian. Don't you know the Jews read the Tenahk, the OT, and "Christians" read the OT and NT? Never said it didn't.

However, many "Christians" are now returning to the true roots, and practicing Messianic Judaism. That what it was for the first 300-400 years after Yeshua ascended back to the Father. They worshiped in Synagogues. Remember, Yeshua didn't come to start a new religion. It was Judaism with Messiah. Messiah had come. Then man got a hold of it (Rome) and then things really started to go bad. Oh vey!

Judaism does not borrow from any other religion. It is the one true faith that G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and revealed through them to Israel, the Jews.


And yes Western Civilized law is based-on, modeled after, reflects, founding principles of truth as revealed through the 10 Commandments given to Moshe (Moses) on Mt. Sinai by G-d.




Keeping this climbing related:

(By the way, HaShem, G-d is way into climbing. He's always asking his followers, servants, prophets, and even his very Son, to come up the mountain. Something very special about climbing and going up the mountain. Yeshua more than likely climbed Mt. Hermon, when he transfigured before two of his disciples while talking to two other heavenly beings.)

Mt. Hermon (9,232', 2,814m)





By the way, you can ski Mt. Hermon!

http://hermonski.co.il/index.php







Tvash

climber
Seattle
Jul 25, 2014 - 01:55pm PT
Nope, you still don't get it. Until you do some research that doesn't limit itself to the Bible or Torah - you will continue to be in the dark on this.

The earliest writings on humanism and human rights hail from the Greeks. No Yawah involved.

There were likely earlier takes on humanism that have been lost.
scrubbing bubbles

Social climber
Uranus
Jul 25, 2014 - 01:57pm PT
Human nature or psychology is likely the same as it as 5,000 years ago, hence all these creation tales or myths keep getting re-told with just a different spin on em....few people have an original thought, our brains are hard wired. Hence all that diarrhea on politard threads is just the same opinions re-stated over and over, can't flush it down no way no how
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jul 25, 2014 - 01:57pm PT
tvash, meet klimmer. :)

.....

few people have an original thought...

Speak for yourself.

In fact, your posts by and large sound like Klimmer's. Are you his twin?
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Jul 25, 2014 - 02:07pm PT
People in increasing numbers are discovering that its so much easier to treat each other better without God telling you you need to be an as#@&%e or suffer His consequences.

Just say no to the cartoon.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Jul 25, 2014 - 02:08pm PT
We're the same as 5000 years ago?

Um...no we're not - by any measure.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
Jul 25, 2014 - 02:21pm PT
Tvash,

HaShem Adonai Elohim's salvation plan starts with Adam and Eve, the first modern Homo sapien couple. (We aren't talking about hominids from before that time. That is a whole other discussion.) We are talking approximately 5774 years ago BC/BCE, according to the Jewish calendar based on the genealogy from Adam. This was long before the Greeks were ever around.

When Adam and Eve sinned, who walked in the Garden and asked them "Where are you?" In other words, Where do you find yourselves now?

That was per-incarnate Yeshua, The Angel of The Lord, often called Metatron by Rabbinic Orthodox Jews. G-d already had the plan before the creation of the Universe. He knew what we would do and how it would all go down through history. The word of G-d was already written, it just had to be given to man or written through men under his inspiration.

HaShem is omnipotent.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Jul 25, 2014 - 02:31pm PT
Adam and Eve.

OK.

Bye!

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jul 27, 2014 - 08:58am PT
Human nature or psychology is likely the same as it as 5,000 years ago, hence all these creation tales or myths keep getting re-told with just a different spin on em....

Yep and the big bang creation mythology certainly qualifies.

You are just as guilty of it as the next girl. Pick your god and ride it hard.

Schism.

DMT
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jul 27, 2014 - 10:28am PT
I'll tell you why there is no god ...

because carbon monoxide is odorless.


If you're an Xian, you'll need an explanation, because you don't think for yourself.

Humans can smell SO2 & H2S, both poisonous gases, both found in nature.
Obviously an intelligent designer that gives you the ability to sense some poisonous gases would give you the ability to smell all poisonous gases.
No ability = no designer.

CO is mainly produced by incomplete combustion, so humans have only encountered it for a couple of centuries, not enough time to evolve a sense of smell for it.

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 27, 2014 - 10:41am PT
^^^Is that a Theory, or Scientific Conclusion?
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