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BLUEBLOCR
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joshua tree
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Feb 25, 2014 - 10:25pm PT
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Blocr, I'm a big proponent of NASA and the space program for a couple of reasons. It promotes science and research of our perimeter, but adds countless advances to technology. I consider it part of the National Defense budget. It is.
Cool me too. But how is it that a church invests with untaxed proceeds?
When are you people going to let go of the Catholic Church sex allegations? I thought we were talking their charitable contributions with regard to Socialism?
I'm not holding a grudge, I've forgiven. But with an authority of do good, get good. What do those old men get? Exasperated by ur donations?
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John M
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Feb 25, 2014 - 10:29pm PT
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come on Blue, is this your answer to my question?
Ken, maybe like 40 grand or so. In calif....less elesewhere.
I don't see Ken posting on this thread recently.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 25, 2014 - 10:33pm PT
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PS, they allegations were not allegations they are a fact.
Yeah, yeah, I know. Just seems that many other cases were fabricated once the snowball was rolling. Gang-up on the Catholics.
Funny how we hear so much about sh#t like that till this day, but you probably couldn't tell me how many Christian children had their throats cut yesterday morning in Nigeria, just because they were Christians at the hands of Muslims. Seems like it's easier to demonize Catholics than Muslims nowadays. Safer.
I'll give you hint, the death toll is going above 40 as of today, as they're still recovering burnt bodies.
http://patdollard.com/2014/02/some-were-burned-alive-boko-haram-jihadis-brutally-slaughter-43-children-in-nigerian-school/
Seems to be a double-standard in the MSM.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Feb 25, 2014 - 10:38pm PT
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Charles, couldn't pass that one up.
Jon C
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John M
climber
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Feb 25, 2014 - 10:43pm PT
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Bubble buyers should have read contracts more closely.
I have no doubt that some people took advantage of the loans, but there is proof that many people were deceived. Many people without the intellect. Who is more at fault? The person of low intellect and likely lesser power, or the person of greater intellect and greater power?
the bible gives you a hint Blue.
And why do you not answer my question?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 25, 2014 - 10:45pm PT
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Charles, the whole "living-wage" arguement is a bit bogus in the larger scheme of things.
It implies that you are "owed" something if you aren't making it.
This is why family-values and an early work-ethic are essential to high schools. As well as the NEED to graduate and try to do well in school.
Working in the latter years of high school should be REQUIRED! All this minimum-wage talk would go away. Nobody raising a family should be making minimum wage, but if they are, that's their lack of fortitude.
They should HAVE to suffer a bit, which is what it is, a bit, and realize that upward job-mobility is very desirable if you do not like living in poverty.
This is where I will sound insensitive, but people have to work through poverty sometimes to get out of it. Not through handouts, but work! Earn it!
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John M
climber
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Feb 25, 2014 - 10:55pm PT
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I fully agree that one should read over a contract very carefully, but I also realize that there are those who were preyed on who simply didn't have the intellect to understand what they were getting into. I would hope that the government would be there to help protect those people. Something I believe it failed at miserably.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 25, 2014 - 10:56pm PT
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I have no doubt that some people took advantage of the loans, but there is proof that many people were deceived. Many people without the intellect. Who is more at fault? The person of low intellect and likely lesser power, or the person of greater intellect and greater power?
Remember the Community Reinvestment Act started by Jimmy Carter that spwaned Fannie/Fredie, that was further weakened for "minorities" by Dodd/Frank? This is what misguided, blind liberalism sows. Handouts to people who should not get them. Affirmative-action in real estate while those of us who're resposible have to bail them out with our tax dollars.
And you wonder why the Tea Party is so pissed off? That is it in a nut-shell.
the bible gives you a hint Blue
Awesome that you seem to only use the word of God when it suits your political debate. Maybe you should re-evaluate that.
And why do you not answer my question?
What question?
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John M
climber
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Feb 25, 2014 - 10:57pm PT
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this one
Bluering..
if you were single, how much money would you think it took to live month to month. Not as a healthy dirtbag sleeping in a sleeping bag. But as someone with health problems who needed a roof over their head. give us your guesstimate.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 25, 2014 - 10:58pm PT
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I answered that previously, Ken. Look back.
40 grand in California....
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John M
climber
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Feb 25, 2014 - 10:59pm PT
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My name isn't ken.. so that was a bit confusing. Do you believe that I am ken?
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John M
climber
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Feb 25, 2014 - 11:01pm PT
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I fully agree Sullly.
I live at the other end of the spectrum and have seen people ruined by unscrupulous lenders. Preyed on because they had a dream.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 25, 2014 - 11:04pm PT
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Sorry, Johhny, got you confused with Ken M.....
EDIT: John, I live in Silicon Valley where well-dressed, hip, educated people I know just had to have "the house" and are now whining about being under water. I can name one friend and two cousins as examples. Don't buy champagne on a beer budget.
I hear ya, Sully. My wife and I do pretty well. She is dying for a house but I keep reminding her that we have to buy in the SOuth Bay, and at the low end to be able to safely cover our mortgage.
We are still looking. Financially responsible people are becoming frustrated with California. We keep getting out-bidded on the houses we look at. Up-bidding.
I'll probably be bailing out those people too. And people wonder why I am always pissed off....
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John M
climber
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Feb 25, 2014 - 11:16pm PT
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Oh Blue, that is from the Cato study. A study that is horribly flawed. This is why I keep suggesting that you get hands on experience. Go to your Catholic church and find out who works with the poor. Then start talking to the poor. I know of no one who has ever gotten every benefit the government offers. And I have a fair amount of experience with that.
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John M
climber
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Feb 25, 2014 - 11:19pm PT
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Did you take every tax break that you could possibly take? Are you sure?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Feb 25, 2014 - 11:29pm PT
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^^^ are you condoning the raise of min-wage?
After the last 3 raises how come the poor ain't rich yet?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 25, 2014 - 11:36pm PT
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After the last 3 raises how come the poor ain't rich yet?
You can't see the fallacy of this? Do you understand economics and free-markets?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 25, 2014 - 11:56pm PT
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Feb 26, 2014 - 12:14am PT
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^^ i ain't great. But I see a raise in min wage as a raise in the GNP. and that jus means more tax money for Uncle Sam. That why he provokes it. This is jus a smokescreen by ur unclesam
to overlook his good credit and over the cliff spending that put the federal deficit where you, me, and every other American owes 80k+. Why does it bother you where the lazy get their food? Is it because you dont think they are standing up as an American and paying off the federal debt?
Maybe the reasoning is, by raising the minwage we'll pay off the debt faster?
Or mAybe by giving the people that earn the minwage an extra 40 bucks a week, they will be able to pay the MANDATORY health insurance bill next month?
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Feb 26, 2014 - 02:35am PT
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While I know he can defend himself, I want to stick up for Dr. F. here. While he posts plenty of hyperbole, he posts almost all of his hyperbole with his tongue rather clearly in his cheek, rather than dripping in the vitriol with which some others post. He's just stirring the pot. When he's serious, he posts mostly quotes and well-sourced articles.
I think the most perceptive posts have noted the truth -- most conservatives, liberals, Democrats and Republicans share not only an overwhelming amount of common goals, but support the same means to get there. While we attack and criticize each other, we're really nibbling around the fringes. I am thankful that most Americans still agree on most things.
Besides, he's learned the fine Armenian art of "shishing"
John
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