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Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Nov 14, 2013 - 09:48pm PT
If you think that Socialism helps the poor, you are sorely mistaken.

The poor are helped by those that have much.

Socialism levels the field to lower middle class....and the poor go wanting.

One only needs to visit a Socialist society to see this in action.

EDIT: ^ I'll be happy to buy one way tickets for all the whack jobs here..
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Nov 14, 2013 - 09:48pm PT
I like the idea but what about ILLEGAL immigration? We start getting free health care and EVERY ONE IN THE WORLD will want in..


ohwww wait a minute..






But i do agree BEFORE A DIME is given to any foreign country,, our health care system should be fixed first.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Nov 14, 2013 - 09:51pm PT
This definitely needed a new thread.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Nov 14, 2013 - 09:53pm PT
Credit: right wing historical fantasy revisionism?
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Nov 14, 2013 - 09:56pm PT
^^^

LOL! That pic should start its own thread!


Edit- hey where'd it go Wade?!?


That ones pretty good too....
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Nov 14, 2013 - 10:01pm PT
There is no such thing as "free healthcare."

Canada, Western Europe, and some of the first-world parts of Asia all have the kind of healthcare system you want, Jim. But it ain't free.

It's far better than what you have in the US, but it is not free. We (us Canadians and Germans and Swedes and etc) all pay for it. We all understand that we pay for it. Just as we understand that we pay for highways, police, fire, armed forces, national parks. And it makes our countries better.

But the part of this whole deal that those who scream "socialized medicine" don't understand is that it makes our countries better for the rich as well as for the poor. Does anyone with a functioning brain think that rich businessmen in Germany dream of ways to get rid of the country's universal healthcare system?

Those of us looking at the Affordable Care Act from the outside understand that its biggest flaw is that it doesn't do enough. Your home-grown neanderthals think it goes too far.

Single-payer is the right approach for healthcare, just as it is for providing police, highways, and national parks.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Nov 14, 2013 - 10:03pm PT
Ok,, NIX the five thousand hew IRS agents and instead hire govt Doctors and Nurses.

Nix 50% of Homeland security waste and hire doctors and nurses


Nix all the foreign aid to: Pakistan, afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Somolia Nigeria, S Africa et al, and hire doctors and nurses. This COULD work eh..?? Brain surgeons would be GS-50s or some such..
Salamanizer

Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
Nov 14, 2013 - 10:04pm PT

Incredible that ppl can argue with the OP statement. That is super f*#ked up.

It's only fukked up because you don't understand the argument. Free healthcare is not what we need, that goal is impossible. Someone's going to pay for it and it's not going to be the super rich most of you are envisioning. It's going to be paid by the healthy 25 to 40 year olds who already work their asses off struggling to gain a foothold in this competitive world. What we need is affordable healthcare which the ACA only provides for some. For the rest it's astronomically expensive.

What is needed is good old free market competition. Not some huge government bureaucracy which can only totally f*#k it up in the best case scenario.

I'm 34 years old and I will never be able to "afford" 800 dollars a month for healthcare. Period!
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Nov 14, 2013 - 10:06pm PT
If you, an individual, make $ 36,000.00 a year in the socialist distopia of Canada, you will be income taxed 39%. Of this 39% you will contribute 48% of your income tax, equaling $6739.20 in one year of a tax cycle to health care.

As an individual you will pay an additional $ 66.50 per month, premium on your tax contribution for inclusive, universal health care.

$ 66.50 monthly premium X 12 months = $798.00
48% health care contribution of 39 % yearly income tax on $36.000 = $6739.20

Total cost through tax by way of premium and income tax contribution for someone earning $ 36.000.00, to entitle a Canadian to health care for everything that ails you, (yes, cancer too) = $ 7537.20

But really, we'd love some depleted uranium shells for our tanks and some F35 Lighning II's in order to wave our nationalist dick around, both politically and militarily, because that's the only thing the world understands...

Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
Nov 14, 2013 - 10:06pm PT
Hey Mr. D I thought you were going to stick to OT threads (meaning climbing).
Did you fall off the wagon?
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So universal health care = socialism?
Universal education = the same?

Who paid for you to learn to read and write?

Darn those commies.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 14, 2013 - 10:10pm PT
Ghost,

How much do Canadians and Germans and Swedes contribute to medical R & D compared to the U.S.?

There's more to healthcare than just hiring an orderly to be there with Grandma ( and every other patient in the same hospital room ) when she dies.
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Nov 14, 2013 - 10:18pm PT
"The United Socialist States

That's certainly what Obama wants..."




how in the F*#K can you think obama's signing a market based system developed by romney and tweaked into GOP congress passable implimentation by paul ryan as a win for socialism?!?!?!?!?!


if obama was pushing socialism, the ACA would have opened up medi-care and medi-caid for all...


Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Nov 14, 2013 - 10:20pm PT
How much do Canadians and Germans and Swedes contribute to medical R & D compared to the U.S.?

Same as you Chaz. Or did you think that outside the US there were no universities,
or pharmaceutical companies, or teaching hospitals, or...

Ah, f*#k. What's the point. Trying to talk to someone with Stars'n'stripes
blinders on is about as useful as talking to Mighty Hiker with his Maple-leaf
blinders on.

Go spend some time outside the US (no, not a two-week vacation) and then
come back and we'll talk.

Hmmm... Wait a minute. You do travel to the Seattle area from time to time, right?
So look me up next time you're here and we'll talk about it.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 14, 2013 - 10:21pm PT
Free, anything

I'll bet you are a believer.

Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Nov 14, 2013 - 10:22pm PT
I'm already doing that to pay for my own healthcare.

Wait till Obamacare fully kicks in.
You thought , like millions of Americans, that Obamacare would result in someone else paying for your health care.
Hahahahahaha.

You've been conned and manipulated by a master political sociopath.

Obamacare is not an altruistic project to deliver affordable health care to Americans, it is a scheme to gain control over individual citizens by a power hungry narcissistic government bent upon totalitarian outcomes.
FRUMY

Trad climber
Bishop,CA
Nov 14, 2013 - 10:25pm PT
It would take the cost off the back of business & allow U.S. industry to compete with the rest of the world.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Nov 14, 2013 - 10:25pm PT
TGT,

Why did you post that stupid picture ? You are capable of making a cogent point. Why take the triumphalist nonsense to heart ?
Deekaid

climber
Nov 14, 2013 - 10:26pm PT
photo bombs on every page please
Salamanizer

Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
Nov 14, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
how in the F*#K can you think obama's signing a market based system developed by romney and tweaked into GOP congress passable implimentation by paul ryan as a win for socialism?!?!?!?!?!

Romneycare and Obamacare are two totally different entities. That is why Massachusetts opposed Obamacare from the beginning. Look it up if you don't believe me. There are major key differences.
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Nov 14, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
pure horseshit sally,
if youd a fact youd be posting IT...
not an empty whine


and as for tgt,
he posts those pictures because hes only hear to discourage discussion and put as many barriers to educations and reading up as he can manage

its NOTHING to do with their content,
its all about making anyone interest in the subject have to pan their screen left and right to follow the dialogue

as#@&%e par excellante!

[ something he picked up in france ]
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