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High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Oct 30, 2013 - 08:17pm PT
A breakthrough in teaching language to nonhuman primates...

Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
Oct 30, 2013 - 11:42pm PT
Would like to see one of those researchers wired up for some snake experiments...

God said to Abraham, kill me a son
Abe says, man, you must be puttin me on
God Says, no
Abe say, what?
You do what you want Abe, but the next time you see me coming


These aren't no mf'ing beanies these boys are wearing. We ake up in the morning fold our hand and pray for rain.


Mountain climber
Oct 31, 2013 - 01:23am PT
This one was cold and did not want to deal with us.

Credit: kunlun_shan

Jim Henson's Basement
Oct 31, 2013 - 09:41am PT
As a kid I loved lizards and frogs and snakes don't bother me. I lived with a herpatologist who specialized in rattlesnakes for
3 years. He was constantly bringing them home.

Bugs on the other hand... eek.

@Batrock.. that snake looks like it ate more than one rabbit.

The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Oct 31, 2013 - 11:32am PT
On a related note:

In the mid-1600s, green monkeys from Africa were introduced to the West Indies island of Barbados. Despite living a predator-free life for centuries, the Barbados population still responds to an ancestral alarm call that means, roughly translated, “Run up a tree or a leopard will eat you!”

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jan 29, 2014 - 03:06pm PT
Hundreds of snakes discovered inside foul-smelling Santa Ana home

By Ruben Vives
January 29, 2014, 9:15 a.m.

Police serving a search warrant at a home in Santa Ana on Wednesday discovered as many as 400 snakes inside.

Officers served the search warrant at the home in the 2900 block of Fernwood Drive after the Police Department’s animal services section received complaints from neighbors about a foul odor coming from the home.

Santa Ana Police Cpl. Anthony Bertagna said about 300 to 400 pythons were discovered inside. Some of the pythons were alive, some dead and decaying.

The man is a teacher at an elementary school in Newport Beach, KTLA reported.,0,211498.story

Trad climber
Auburn, CA
Jan 29, 2014 - 03:15pm PT
The man is a teacher at an elementary school in Newport Beach?????

Maybe it's a good thing I moved away.


Sport climber
Jan 29, 2014 - 03:23pm PT

California dreamin' on the farside of the world..
Jan 29, 2014 - 05:16pm PT
"The man, whose name was not immediately released, was taken into custody on suspicion of various felonies, including animal cruelty charges."

And an elementary school teacher...sheesh. What a sick individual.

Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Jan 29, 2014 - 05:58pm PT
Along the banks of the New River in the New River Gorge

You ain't the only one who likes catfish
You ain't the only one who likes catfish
Credit: Sierra Ledge Rat

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jan 29, 2014 - 06:03pm PT
Credit: StahlBro

Social climber
State of decay
Jan 29, 2014 - 07:59pm PT
Anita514, that looks to be a Juvenal Black Rat Snake. A very common constrictor in the area.

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Aug 23, 2014 - 10:56am PT
Whidbey Island Garter Snake.

( ink pen for scale )

I don't know how he got in, but I'm glad I found him before one of my mother's cats did.

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 23, 2014 - 11:08am PT
That's a cool little snake.
mike m

Trad climber
black hills
Aug 23, 2014 - 11:19am PT
A little surprise for us as we were walking down in the dusk.
A little surprise for us as we were walking down in the dusk.
Credit: mike m
ran into this guy a couple years ago at Devils Tower.

Trad climber
Truckee, CA
Aug 23, 2014 - 02:12pm PT
The results, published online Monday in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, appear to support a theory that early primates developed advanced perception as an evolutionary response to being prey, not as an adaptation that may have made foraging or hunting easier.

This is either just pure distilled BS, exaggerated for the purpose of getting attention/citations/links, or just plain poor evolutionary biology. Though the linked video shows an arboreal snake lunching on a howler monkey, the theory would only be "supported" if they also present data showing that snake predation is a significant source of mortality of monkeys; specifically, a greater source of mortality than the combination of mortality from a venonous snake bite, mortality from failing to stick the jump from one branch to another, mortality from all other perception-related activities (such as conflict with other monkeys), proportional reduction in fecundity that would result from poorer visual perceptive abilities, etc. etc. etc. Which it almost certainly is not: if you spend time in tropical forests, including in the canopy, you will observe that there aren't really very many snakes up in the canopy where monkeys remain virtually 100 percent of the time that are large enough to eat monkeys, even juvenile ones. On the other hand, there ARE plenty of venomous tree snakes (a big advantage if you prey on birds, which are lost meals if they don't succumb quickly). And they're really cryptic up there, and easily interacted with inadvertantly.

Great visual perception, specifically pattern recognition at which primates excell confers many advantages in terms of obtaining food, recognizing individual clan-mates and thus avoiding conflicts, recognizing venomous creatures (probably very important for monkeys), and finally recognizing predators. But with respect to snakes, the last is almost certainly just not very important. Why do so-called evolutionary biologists insist on simplifying the evolution of a complex system to just one driver? They ought to know that it's way more complex and nuanced than that. If they're going to purport to provide an explanation, then give the whole ecological-evolutionary picture, not just one set of neurobiological data (interesting though it is).

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Aug 24, 2014 - 10:28am PT

That Timber Rattlesnake in your photograph didn't rattle at you because---it's a Copperhead. At least that's what I think you came across, judging from the coloration. I saw lots of these in Missouri as a kid.

Social climber
Truckee, CA
Aug 24, 2014 - 11:13am PT
I saw Harry Greene give a fantastic talk this summer (in the Parsons Lodge in Tuolumne of all places), and he talked at length about our evolutionary past as prey, predators, and competitors of snakes. Fascinating stuff, and it's no wonder that snakes seem to draw strong reactions from deep down in our little monkey brains.

Relationships between primates and snakes are of widespread interest from anthropological, psychological, and evolutionary perspectives, but surprisingly, little is known about the dangers that serpents have posed to people with prehistoric lifestyles and nonhuman primates. Here, we report ethnographic observations of 120 Philippine Agta Negritos when they were still preliterate hunter–gatherers, among whom 26% of adult males had survived predation attempts by reticulated pythons. Six fatal attacks occurred between 1934 and 1973. Agta ate pythons as well as deer, wild pigs, and monkeys, which are also eaten by pythons, and therefore, the two species were reciprocally prey, predators, and potential competitors. Natural history data document snake predation on tree shrews and 26 species of nonhuman primates as well as many species of primates approaching, mobbing, killing, and sometimes eating snakes. These findings, interpreted within the context of snake and primate phylogenies, corroborate the hypothesis that complex ecological interactions have long characterized our shared evolutionary history."

Trad climber
Truckee, CA
Aug 24, 2014 - 09:13pm PT
Wow, that's a really stellar paper, Willoughby. It had in it exactly what I was lamenting the other one didn't: a consideration of all the factors in human-snake interactions (including predation both directions and competition for other prey species). Really interestingly, the interviewers found that some other plausible sources of mortality, specifically venomous snake bites and murder by Japanese soldiers during WW2, were not mentioned at all in the interview responses. So, in that habitat (Philippines), pythons are a significant source of adult male mortality for forest dwelling people; even more so before they had metal weapons for defense.

In the seasonal and dry parts of Africa, however, where pre-human and early human evolution occurred, I don't imagine it's the same. Place is lousy with venomous snakes, but not big constrictors. Anyway, it's an interesting topic and it's great to see that someone researched it in a novel and revealing way, concluding that it's pretty darn complex after all. Would have loved to have seen that talk.

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 24, 2014 - 09:19pm PT
Well, at least if a Reticulated nabs you it will be over in a minute or so
as compared to hours of misery if a Russel's or a Krait zaps you.
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