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jstan

climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 28, 2013 - 08:59pm PT
On a couple of occasions I have speculated that people may react negatively to snakes because we were once their prey. I assumed it was at our tree shrew evolutionary stage, a creature similar to squirrels. Based upon the development of certain neural structures in monkeys, evidence suggests this developed later in our evolutionary path.

If so, our aversion today is caused by genetic evolution long before we developed into our present form.


http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-snake-fear-monkeys-20131026,0,3773593.story?track=rss#axzz2j4DgIGV2

It's a snake! Monkey brains may explain our fear of reptiles


This monkey wasn't as adept as others at detecting a nearby snake, and paid the price. Scientists say the evolutionary arms race between primate and snake may have led to brain structures in humans tailored to identify a snake.

By Geoffrey Mohan
October 28, 2013, 12:25 p.m.
We’re not born with a fear of snakes, but it sure seems to develop early.

Now scientists may be closer to a explaining why ophidiophobia ranks among the top fears of humans, and seems to be shared with other primates.

Researchers inserted probes into the brains of Japanese macacques and found that neurons in a part of their brain that controls visual attention were more strongly and quickly activated in response to images of snakes, versus other objects.


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The results, published online Monday in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, appear to support a theory that early primates developed advanced perception as an evolutionary response to being prey, not as an adaptation that may have made foraging or hunting easier.

Though fear of snakes may not be innate, noticing them more than other phenomena may be hard-wired by evolution, said Lynne Isbell, an evolutionary biologist from UC Davis and one of the authors of the paper. That heightened attention, research has shown, can lead to early and resilient learned behavior, such as fear-mediated avoidance. In other words, getting out of the way of snakes.

“The characteristics we have help us to see them better than other mammals can see them,” Isbell said. “Mammals in general are really good at picking up movement. But snakes lie in wait. They don’t move very much, so it’s crucial to see them before they see us and to avoid them.”

Developing new additions to the brain would have given ancestor primates an advantage. Many scientists assumed the advantage had to do with catching insects for food. But Isbell shook that view of primate evolution in 2006, eventually elaborating on it in a book, “The Fruit, the Tree and the Serpent: Why We see So Well.” An arms race between predator and prey is what selected for bigger-brained primates, Isbell argued.

“They were actually prey,” Isbell said “And the first of the modern predators of primates, and the most persistent, that continued to this day -- and that look the same as they did 100 million years ago -- are snakes.”

The brain addition that made all the difference for Old World monkeys was the pulvinar nuclei, according to Isbell. Those areas of the thalamus have been found to control such things as eye and head motions toward stimuli -- responses known as selective spatial attention.

Researchers were probing deep into the limbic system, a region of emotional processing and memory that sometimes is called the old mammalian brain. They inserted probes into the pulvinar nuclei. These nuclei receive inputs directly from the retina of the eye and also connect with nearby brain regions associated with threat-relevant behavior and emotional processing.

Electrical pulses from the pulvinar neurons occurred about 60 microseconds after the snake was presented to the monkeys -- suggesting that the signal might be processed unconsciously. Another pulse came at about 250 microseconds, and that could be associated with feedback from the cortex, where higher cognitive functions are controlled.
The researchers used two monkeys raised in captivity that had no opportunity to encounter a snake. Probes measured responses to snakes, faces and hands of monkeys, and geometric shapes. More neurons responded to the snakes, and did so with greater strength and speed, the data showed.

In addition to those at UC Davis, the research team included scientists from the University of Toyama in Japan and the Primate Center of the University of Brasilia in Brazil. It was supported by the Asian CORE program, which promotes research cooperation.

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Oct 28, 2013 - 09:34pm PT
Yeah. It's also Dawkins on Bill Maher! last Friday, hope you and others caught it...

[Click to View YouTube Video]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itYI56r0hHE

Thank goodness, the dino sneezed and the shrew got away! :)

.....

Oh, funny thing: I had to google Ron Jeremy. But I noticed R Dawkins seemed to know right away who he was, hahaha!
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Oct 28, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
Put Monkeys AND Snakes on a plane and WHOA NELLIE!!!!!!!!!!
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
Oct 28, 2013 - 10:52pm PT
I don't know where to start, so let's try, this is really weak "science".

Researchers inserted probes into the brains of Japanese macacques and found that neurons in a part of their brain that controls visual attention were more strongly and quickly activated in response to images of snakes, versus other objects.

I stopped reading right here and jumped ahead to discover that this was accomplished with two monkeys (they like to call them subjects in the literature).

To be fair, when I get some time I'll look up the paper and read it.



cintune

climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Oct 29, 2013 - 09:33am PT
I once had a kid at a climbing camp ask me: "Are these ropes made of real snake skin?"

If this research pans out it could give a new life to the whole Jungian collective unconscious/archetype theory.
L

climber
California dreamin' on the farside of the world..
Oct 29, 2013 - 09:48am PT
I love snakes. I don't like to almost step on them in the woods, but there's something intrinsically beautiful about a creature without feet that can navigate the world the way snakes do.


This is a timber rattler I came upon while hiking on Bear Mountain in New York (rattlers in NY--who knew?). She didn't budge when I walked within 2 feet of her.

A month later on the same trail, she slithered next to the trail I was walking (about 6 feet away from me) for 100 yards or so...like she was following me. Seemed to be extremely curious and not threatened in the slightest by human presence.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 29, 2013 - 11:06am PT
Seemed to be extremely curious and not threatened in the slightest by human presence.

HaHaHaHa! I love anthropomorphists! It takes one to know one. :-)


I had some quality time with this Black Rat snake in Michigan this summer.
He knew we were good for each other...

An uncanny resemblance to the Black Mamba, no?

EEEK!
L

climber
California dreamin' on the farside of the world..
Oct 29, 2013 - 11:35am PT
"I love anthropomorphists!"

I love you, too, Reilly, LOL! but I was not anthropomorphisizing here. Just a statement of facts. She never once lifted her rattle, or curled in the slightest (signs of agitation). Stayed straight as an arrow and just kept following me, occasionally lifting her head to sample the air with her tongue.

When I veered off the trail, she followed. Only lost her because I was walking faster than she was crawling.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 29, 2013 - 11:50am PT
Well, just like my Black Rat, you guys were just having some quality time.
And while few would ascribe a high level of consciousness to snakes I would
be the first to debate that. It is pretty unusual for a rattler to be out
and about so blazenly in the daytime. But then a lot of easterners exhibit
odd behavior regularly. There actually are herpes who believe that rattlers
are being selectively bred out of rattling prophylactively because if you
rattle you are more likely to come to grief from a humanoid.

Here'a a friend I made on Mt Baldy this summer. He was little inclined to
rattle also but then you and I know that is because he knew he was with a
friend. ;-)

Shot from 12-15 inches...
L

climber
California dreamin' on the farside of the world..
Oct 29, 2013 - 01:06pm PT
Verrrrrrrry cool photo!

Yes, I totally believe that many animals can sense when they're with friend or foe. Some just acclimatized like the JTree rattlesnakes (one lived at the base of Rubicon forever...you just had to step around him to start the climb). Others, like this little frog I found in our jacuzzi, just decide they like you and that's that.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Oct 29, 2013 - 01:46pm PT
I knew that jstan went back a ways, but remembering the tree shrew evolutionary stage is impressive.

Even by donini standards!


I don't have much trouble with rattlers; professional courtesy I guess.
But I do believe that we are essentially breeding quieter buzzworms.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Oct 29, 2013 - 05:33pm PT
Evolution?
BAH!
I'm not afraid of snakes (much) ergo I'm not descended from apes. Proof that Darwin was wrong.

Prettiest snake I've ever seen, a ring necked snake. About the diameter of a pencil about 8" long. All black on top, bright orange beneath with dark orange collar. Found him trying to crawl under my garage door. Took him gently out into the woods where hopefully he couldn't get in quite so much trouble.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Oct 29, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
Snakes are good neighbors. This King Snake hangs in the yard and comes out for a visit every now and again.

We had a painter over who was totally wigged out by snakes. This guy was hanging out in front of his truck and the painter was apoplectic. Snake was totally calm and I just picked him up and took to a another part of yard. Sure enough it came back and hung out in front of the truck and waited for him again. It was fascinated by the truck for some reason.

SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:55pm PT

Izzat your shoulder, L????

hee hee hee. . .
Batrock

Trad climber
Burbank
Oct 29, 2013 - 11:42pm PT
L

climber
California dreamin' on the farside of the world..
Oct 30, 2013 - 09:51am PT
"Izzat your shoulder, L????"

Yep, Steve, that's my shoulder. ;-)

And here's my hand...holding Floppy, another resident of our outdoor jacuzzi. He let me pick him up and snap a pic without a single croak yesterday.

anita514

Gym climber
Great White North
Oct 30, 2013 - 10:30am PT
can anyone identify this guy?
saw him in the Gunks, in NY

Zamfir

Trad climber
Danbury, CT
Oct 30, 2013 - 11:50am PT

I'd guess Eastern Milk Snake
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 30, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
Tioga, u didn't address fear of clowns. That could explain the paucity of posters on ST, no?
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Oct 30, 2013 - 08:17pm PT
A breakthrough in teaching language to nonhuman primates...

[Click to View YouTube Video]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beCYGm1vMJ0
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
Oct 30, 2013 - 11:42pm PT
Would like to see one of those researchers wired up for some snake experiments...


God said to Abraham, kill me a son
Abe says, man, you must be puttin me on
God Says, no
Abe say, what?
You do what you want Abe, but the next time you see me coming

YOU BEWTTER RUN




These aren't no mf'ing beanies these boys are wearing. We ake up in the morning fold our hand and pray for rain.








kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Oct 31, 2013 - 01:23am PT
This one was cold and did not want to deal with us.

justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Oct 31, 2013 - 09:41am PT
As a kid I loved lizards and frogs and snakes don't bother me. I lived with a herpatologist who specialized in rattlesnakes for
3 years. He was constantly bringing them home.

Bugs on the other hand... eek.

@Batrock.. that snake looks like it ate more than one rabbit.
cintune

climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Oct 31, 2013 - 11:32am PT
On a related note:

http://io9.com/monkeys-remember-words-used-by-their-ancestors-centur-1453241140

In the mid-1600s, green monkeys from Africa were introduced to the West Indies island of Barbados. Despite living a predator-free life for centuries, the Barbados population still responds to an ancestral alarm call that means, roughly translated, “Run up a tree or a leopard will eat you!”
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jan 29, 2014 - 03:06pm PT
Hundreds of snakes discovered inside foul-smelling Santa Ana home

By Ruben Vives
January 29, 2014, 9:15 a.m.

Police serving a search warrant at a home in Santa Ana on Wednesday discovered as many as 400 snakes inside.

Officers served the search warrant at the home in the 2900 block of Fernwood Drive after the Police Department’s animal services section received complaints from neighbors about a foul odor coming from the home.

Santa Ana Police Cpl. Anthony Bertagna said about 300 to 400 pythons were discovered inside. Some of the pythons were alive, some dead and decaying.


The man is a teacher at an elementary school in Newport Beach, KTLA reported.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-hundreds-snakes-santa-ana-home-20140129,0,211498.story
labrat

Trad climber
Auburn, CA
Jan 29, 2014 - 03:15pm PT
The man is a teacher at an elementary school in Newport Beach?????

Maybe it's a good thing I moved away.

Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Jan 29, 2014 - 03:23pm PT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGmAmJFUvzM
L

climber
California dreamin' on the farside of the world..
Jan 29, 2014 - 05:16pm PT
"The man, whose name was not immediately released, was taken into custody on suspicion of various felonies, including animal cruelty charges."

And an elementary school teacher...sheesh. What a sick individual.

Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Jan 29, 2014 - 05:58pm PT
Along the banks of the New River in the New River Gorge

StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jan 29, 2014 - 06:03pm PT
TYeary

Social climber
State of decay
Jan 29, 2014 - 07:59pm PT
Anita514, that looks to be a Juvenal Black Rat Snake. A very common constrictor in the area.
TY
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Aug 23, 2014 - 10:56am PT
Whidbey Island Garter Snake.


( ink pen for scale )

I don't know how he got in, but I'm glad I found him before one of my mother's cats did.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 23, 2014 - 11:08am PT
That's a cool little snake.
mike m

Trad climber
black hills
Aug 23, 2014 - 11:19am PT
ran into this guy a couple years ago at Devils Tower.
mongrel

Trad climber
Truckee, CA
Aug 23, 2014 - 02:12pm PT
The results, published online Monday in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, appear to support a theory that early primates developed advanced perception as an evolutionary response to being prey, not as an adaptation that may have made foraging or hunting easier.

This is either just pure distilled BS, exaggerated for the purpose of getting attention/citations/links, or just plain poor evolutionary biology. Though the linked video shows an arboreal snake lunching on a howler monkey, the theory would only be "supported" if they also present data showing that snake predation is a significant source of mortality of monkeys; specifically, a greater source of mortality than the combination of mortality from a venonous snake bite, mortality from failing to stick the jump from one branch to another, mortality from all other perception-related activities (such as conflict with other monkeys), proportional reduction in fecundity that would result from poorer visual perceptive abilities, etc. etc. etc. Which it almost certainly is not: if you spend time in tropical forests, including in the canopy, you will observe that there aren't really very many snakes up in the canopy where monkeys remain virtually 100 percent of the time that are large enough to eat monkeys, even juvenile ones. On the other hand, there ARE plenty of venomous tree snakes (a big advantage if you prey on birds, which are lost meals if they don't succumb quickly). And they're really cryptic up there, and easily interacted with inadvertantly.

Great visual perception, specifically pattern recognition at which primates excell confers many advantages in terms of obtaining food, recognizing individual clan-mates and thus avoiding conflicts, recognizing venomous creatures (probably very important for monkeys), and finally recognizing predators. But with respect to snakes, the last is almost certainly just not very important. Why do so-called evolutionary biologists insist on simplifying the evolution of a complex system to just one driver? They ought to know that it's way more complex and nuanced than that. If they're going to purport to provide an explanation, then give the whole ecological-evolutionary picture, not just one set of neurobiological data (interesting though it is).
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Aug 24, 2014 - 10:28am PT
L-

That Timber Rattlesnake in your photograph didn't rattle at you because---it's a Copperhead. At least that's what I think you came across, judging from the coloration. I saw lots of these in Missouri as a kid.
Willoughby

Social climber
Truckee, CA
Aug 24, 2014 - 11:13am PT
I saw Harry Greene give a fantastic talk this summer (in the Parsons Lodge in Tuolumne of all places), and he talked at length about our evolutionary past as prey, predators, and competitors of snakes. Fascinating stuff, and it's no wonder that snakes seem to draw strong reactions from deep down in our little monkey brains.

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2011/12/06/1115116108

"Abstract
Relationships between primates and snakes are of widespread interest from anthropological, psychological, and evolutionary perspectives, but surprisingly, little is known about the dangers that serpents have posed to people with prehistoric lifestyles and nonhuman primates. Here, we report ethnographic observations of 120 Philippine Agta Negritos when they were still preliterate hunter–gatherers, among whom 26% of adult males had survived predation attempts by reticulated pythons. Six fatal attacks occurred between 1934 and 1973. Agta ate pythons as well as deer, wild pigs, and monkeys, which are also eaten by pythons, and therefore, the two species were reciprocally prey, predators, and potential competitors. Natural history data document snake predation on tree shrews and 26 species of nonhuman primates as well as many species of primates approaching, mobbing, killing, and sometimes eating snakes. These findings, interpreted within the context of snake and primate phylogenies, corroborate the hypothesis that complex ecological interactions have long characterized our shared evolutionary history."
mongrel

Trad climber
Truckee, CA
Aug 24, 2014 - 09:13pm PT
Wow, that's a really stellar paper, Willoughby. It had in it exactly what I was lamenting the other one didn't: a consideration of all the factors in human-snake interactions (including predation both directions and competition for other prey species). Really interestingly, the interviewers found that some other plausible sources of mortality, specifically venomous snake bites and murder by Japanese soldiers during WW2, were not mentioned at all in the interview responses. So, in that habitat (Philippines), pythons are a significant source of adult male mortality for forest dwelling people; even more so before they had metal weapons for defense.

In the seasonal and dry parts of Africa, however, where pre-human and early human evolution occurred, I don't imagine it's the same. Place is lousy with venomous snakes, but not big constrictors. Anyway, it's an interesting topic and it's great to see that someone researched it in a novel and revealing way, concluding that it's pretty darn complex after all. Would have loved to have seen that talk.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 24, 2014 - 09:19pm PT
Well, at least if a Reticulated nabs you it will be over in a minute or so
as compared to hours of misery if a Russel's or a Krait zaps you.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Aug 24, 2014 - 11:57pm PT
I think snakes are beautiful, but I do not like to be near them.

The snakes we really should be wary of are those in politics, and civil service and used car lots.

EDIT

Okay, that was unfair of me, there are some decent politicians and public servants, but used car salespeople, yowsi. Caveat emptor.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 15, 2014 - 07:18pm PT
I wish there were a few more of these guys around here.


Snakes are active all twelve months here. Some seem to hibernate. Some don't.
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, or In What Time Zone Am I?
Nov 15, 2014 - 09:00pm PT
On a recent MTB trail


Susan
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 15, 2014 - 09:27pm PT
Since good St. Patrick waved his hand
There are no snakes in Ireland.
(Except for the used car shills.)Looking for young Whitemeat--seen him here?

"The facts, ma'am. Just the facts."--Joe Dan Akroyd
http://www.livingalongsidewildlife.com/2009/07/return-of-giant-killed-rattlesnake.html
perswig

climber
Nov 16, 2014 - 04:07am PT

Dale
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Nov 16, 2014 - 06:56am PT

This is my new buddy. The pattern is like a fingerprint, no two alike. He finally ate one of the pinkies I got him 2 days ago.

I fed the other 2 pinkies to my geckos. My female gecko didn't know what she was doing, having only eaten crickets. She ate it ass end first. The poor mouse squealed until she swallowed the head (and then a muffled squeal).

It was grotesque, but,.... that is nature's way.
perswig

climber
Nov 16, 2014 - 07:30am PT
When you first said 'pinkie', I thought it was from dudes who owed you $.

Dale
east side underground

climber
Hilton crk,ca
Nov 16, 2014 - 09:19am PT
red and yellow, killer fellow
Fossil climber

Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
Nov 16, 2014 - 03:41pm PT
When I was in first year U we had small boa - 2 or 3 feet - caged in the biology lab. One of the grad students fed it a white rat just before Xmas break, which made it very happy and bulgy. (Do snakes belch?) Then he generously left a second rat in the cage to keep the boa happy over the holidays. Of course they turned down the heat over the holidays, and the rat ate the snake.

So much for the Christmas spirit.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Nov 16, 2014 - 04:08pm PT
Like in the grass man!
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Nov 16, 2014 - 04:16pm PT
Fossil,

unfortunately that happens too often with inexperienced herps.
Pet shops warn that prey can fight back with tragic results.
When I fed adult mice to my king snake I'd bonk them, better for all parties.
SicMic

climber
across the street from Marshall
Nov 16, 2014 - 04:58pm PT
Todd Townsend

Social climber
Bishop, CA
Nov 16, 2014 - 06:22pm PT
http://badgerbadgerbadger.com/
Fossil climber

Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
Nov 16, 2014 - 08:15pm PT
I guess I should tell you the fate of the rat that ate the boa. The students made him an honorary member of TriBeta Honorary Biological Society and put him out to stud. The grad student developed a pathological fear of rats, snakes and biology professors.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Nov 19, 2014 - 06:51am PT
+1 to mongrel and willoughby

Keep in mind that PNAS publications may not have had real peer review like Science or Nature or other more specialized journals. If the submitter is a member of the National Academy of Sciences (which does require a successful track record of peer reviewed publications), they can use PNAS as a forum to get attention for work that would not pass a rigorous peer review challenge. It's a short-cut for successful researchers to get publications based on accumulated reputation and community contacts rather than solely on the merits of the work. I'm not familiar with the following person's opinions, but it expands on these ideas:
http://occamstypewriter.org/stevecaplan/2011/10/23/peer-review-and-the-ole-boys-network/

From the PNAS website, only about 25% of the publications are direct contributions from members of NAS, so the rest are peer reviewed to maintain the perception of legitimacy.

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 19, 2014 - 08:52am PT
So I'm trudging up the 6500' climb to Monarch Divide* in August (I know)
when I hear a grasshopper buzzing just like they had been all along. But
this one sounded louder. Maybe it was a swarm? I had just trudged from
the sun into the shade so I stopped to let my eyes adjust. Then it dawned
on my hypoxic and dehydrated brain that this 'grasshopper' didn't quite
sound right. It must have taken me 10 seconds to finally locate him about
6' off the trail.

"Mt Attitude! So good to see you, too!"

.


*In SEKI
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Nov 19, 2014 - 09:07am PT
Wow! "Don't tread on me" indeed.

GREAT shot. You can easily see why they are called pit vipers.
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Nov 19, 2014 - 11:33am PT
That is a nice shot Rielly!! Here is a southern Pacific Mission Trails style for ya


If you look close you can see the trail the sucker left.
Fossil climber

Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
Nov 19, 2014 - 07:29pm PT
Great shot, Reilly! You can even see the keeled scales. Handsome critter.
MH2

climber
Nov 19, 2014 - 07:59pm PT
That snakes has CURVES. Wild, attention-getting, full-of-meaning curves.
little Z

Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
Feb 12, 2015 - 07:51pm PT
What's not to like about something named Crotalus horridus?

This one was a keeper for sure. Only the 2nd live one I've seen after 26 years of tromping around Costa Rica. The other one was at night crossing a dirt road. This one was coiled up at the base of a tree, apparently dead asleep as there was never any tongue action. I went off the trail to look for a bird and stumbled across this guy.

EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Feb 12, 2015 - 08:02pm PT
L

climber
California dreamin' on the farside of the world..
Feb 13, 2015 - 06:22am PT
Stumbled upon this guy this a.m. while cleaning the study. Only ever heard about creatures like this; never seen one before.

Talk about zero at the bone...almost gave me a heart attack.

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 21, 2015 - 12:02pm PT
Glad you survived, L! Scary!

Eastern Ratsnake...

"Sup?"


He really didn't want to talk...


Met this little fellow on the Mt Williamson trail last week.
He did seem to want to talk!
He turned away from me only about 18" from the camera.
pinckbrown

Trad climber
Woodfords, CA
Jun 21, 2015 - 03:46pm PT

Nice view from above and behind.
Poloman

Trad climber
Anna, Il
Jun 21, 2015 - 08:56pm PT
In southern Illinois, where I now live, is a place called snake road. In the spring and fall snakes migrate across the road. I am a videographer.
http://youtu.be/4epmf89jfmQ
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jun 21, 2015 - 11:02pm PT
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
May 31, 2017 - 12:51pm PT
I got something this week I always wanted - then I almost killed it.

Two days ago, a big Gopher Snake turned up in my garage, just as I'm battling back a mouse infestation. Hell yeah! It'd been a while since I'd seen one of those around here ( I thought the Kingsnakes and Racers ate them all ) and for it to be a big one, and at home in the garage, that's as good as it gets.

About an hour ago, I saw it again. It was coiled up and stuck to the floor. It had obviously been into one of the sticky traps I set out for the mice, and was covered with sticky goo from head to tail. He was completely stuck to both himself and the floor. Damn!

A quick google search said cooking oil would get rid of the goo. I had my doubts, but I felt like I had to do something. Poor thing was helping me out when he crawled into a trap I had set.

I managed to pry it up off the floor and straighten it out, then I soaked it with corn oil. After peeling off the gobs of goo, and about twenty minutes of running the snake through my oil-soaked hands and dry paper towels, the sticky sh#t seemed to have either come off or lost its stickiness.

The snake was uncharacteristically good about the whole ordeal. More often than not, a Gopher Snake will strike. This one was probably too tired from trying to free itself to want to fight.

No photos - I had goo and oil all over my hands. Maybe later.

Last I saw him, he disappeared into the gap behind the workbench, where the mice have set up housekeeping.

EDTI:

I figured I'd see him again.


Doesn't look like he's too happy to see me this time.
MH2

Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
May 31, 2017 - 01:43pm PT
This monkey wasn't as adept as others at detecting a nearby snake


I am walking a trail at Smith Rock. Robert is well ahead. I am taking pictures of flowers and bees and butterflies. Robert calls to me, "There's a big snake here." I race but the snake has left.


Several years later on the same trail. Robert is well ahead. I scan every twig, pebble, rock, bush, tree, and touron's ankles for snakes.


Nothing.




I am going up the trail. Two women are coming down. One says, "What was that?"

I say, "I think it was my pack brushing against this dry bush."

One of them says, "No. There it is."

The other woman and I are asking, "What? What? Where? Where?"

Finally we see it. We had missed it because it was much closer than we were looking.



Once we saw it, the threat message via sight, sound, and gesture, was impressively obvious.





Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 31, 2017 - 06:12pm PT
Good work, Chaz!


Prairie Rattler, Hovenweep NM.

She apparently lost some rattles as she was decent sized - about 28".
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
May 31, 2017 - 08:57pm PT
Chaz! Congrats on taking the big-gulp & saving that glue-trapped Gopher snake. We had that happen to a 10" Gopher snake a few years back in our old schisty & mouse-infested garage & with great effort, Heidi saved it.

Somewhat later, we tore the 1950's piece of schist garage down & had a new garage built. So-far, no mice or snakes, although the spiders always find a way to enter.

Old garage


New garage.


And one of our several happy Gopher snakes, (who are all named Ralph)




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