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Oct 23, 2013 - 10:10pm PT
In a vast majority of all these shootings, there is a common thread: The bad guy is the only guy with the gun.

jgill, I am curious how the information in your post equates to a psycho shooting up a school.

donini, exactly how do you propose the "simple" plan of confiscating ALL guns and guaranteeing that ALL of them have indeed been gathered?
The Chief

From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 23, 2013 - 10:12pm PT


Topic Author's Reply - Oct 23, 2013 - 10:20pm PT
For your consideration,

14-year-old charged as adult in murder of Danvers teacher

Colleen Ritzer, 24 yr. old math teacher at Danvers High School (Courtesy photo)

Wednesday, October 23,
Antonio Planas, Fiona Molloy, Joe Dwinell, Jack Encarnacao and John Zaremba

A beloved Danvers High math teacher was found murdered in the woods near the school and a 14-year-old is charged as an adult in the slaying.

The news comes after Danvers public schools were closed down as police investigated the slaying of teacher Colleen Ritzer, District Attorney Jonathan Blodgett said today.

"She was a very, very respected, loved teacher. At 24 years of age ... it's a terrible tragedy for the entire Danvers community," said Blodgett, adding "there is no reason to believe other suspects are involved."

Danvers High freshman Philip Chism pleaded not guilty at his arraignment in Salem District Court today. He was held without bail and the judge approved his defense lawyer's motion for a mental evaluation. Chism's next court date is Nov. 22. His mother was in the courtroom as her lanky son quietly appeared before a judge.

A police report states Chism “assaulted and subsequently murdered Colleen Ritzer and disposed of her body near the high school grounds.” Police state they also have surveillance footage of Chism and evidence that was found at “multiple
scenes at the Danvers High School and surrounding wooded area."

The police report also states "Ritzer and the juvenile are known to each other from the school" and charges came after they spoke to Chism during an interrogation.

The case took a dramatic turn when the teen was found wandering north on the southbound side of Route 1 at 12:30 a.m. today in Topsfield, the DA said. Local police earlier yesterday put out a bulletin asking for the public's help in finding Chism. Police added Chism had recently moved to town from Tennessee.

The DA said they also received a missing persons report an hour earlier for the teacher who had not come home from school and wasn't answering her cell phone. She was later found dead in the woods near the high school. The DA said police also found blood in a second-floor bathroom at the high school when they went looking for the teacher at 11:20 p.m. yesterday.

The DA would not say how the teacher was killed. They have yet to divulge any evidence linking the teen to the murder.

Police said Chism was last seen about 6 p.m. Tuesday at the Hollywood Hits movie theater in Danvers. Theater manager Scott Przybcien told the Herald that Chism saw the 4:30 p.m. screening of the Woody Allen film “Blue Jasmine.”

“All we know is, he bought a ticket, saw a movie and left. It was a fairly busy day. He blended right in,” Przybcien said. “I think he just was wandering, looking for a place to hide. A movie theater is a perfect place for that. That’s what we do for a living -- forget about life for two hours.”

A high school student told the Herald today the school superintendent alerted families via a robo telephone call earlier this morning that school was canceled due to "an ongoing investigation."

"It's just terrifying," said Danvers High senior Kendall Meehan, 17. "Nothing like this ever happens in Danvers."

Mary Duffy, who lives next door to the Ritzer family in Andover, said she knew Colleen basically her whole life.

"If every family had a daughter like Colleen Ritzer, it would be a wonderful world.

"She always wanted to teach math. Her mother, I believe, is probably a math whiz," Duffy told the Herald. "She was a quiet, pleasant girl with many friends. She was just like the ideal daughter. She is. This family is a family of America, They are the ideal family, they are friendly, they are loving, close."

The 24-year-old Ritzer often used Twitter to stay in touch with her students, last tweeting two days ago geometry homework links. She also wrote on her profile: "Math teacher often too excited about the topics I'm teaching." She also shared personal thoughts, tweeting she loved the fall, coffee, ice cream and the movie "Home Alone." She would send out uplifting messages, including "find something good in every day :)."

She also offered her students emotional help after the Boston Marathon bombings tweeting: "This world is a crazy place. Love who you love and live every day. Thoughts and prayers to those affected at the Boston Marathon."

Christian Veatch, 17, a senior, was in Ritzer’s math class last year.

“She’d just joke around. I loved her class,” said Veatch. “I hate math ... But she made it fun.”

He said one day she noticed he was having a bad day, and pulled him out into the hall and talked him through it.

“We ended up talking out in the hall for like 20 minutes. I walked in the class feeling a lot better, more happy. I was ready to do my work. In 20 minutes, she totally changed my attitude. It was amazing.”

The Office of the Chief Medical Examiner is conducting an autopsy to determine cause and manner of death, the DA added tonight.


Oct 23, 2013 - 11:16pm PT

Kid kills a beautiful motivating young woman and heads off to see a movie.....

Do you really want to blame such savagery on inanimate objects? Ban guns, knifes, box cutters, airliners and fists. These kids will then use gasoline, clubs, and cars.

Nothing to do with the machine.

Oct 23, 2013 - 11:53pm PT
Nothing to do with the machine.

Oh, Really MarkGrubb? Machines become machination - not just a trigger finger, gun and ammo anymore

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Oct 24, 2013 - 12:22am PT
In spite of everything we think we have achieved, we are still animals.

Are we not men?

We are Devo.....

Stupid Humans. Making a sh*t load of stuff but not getting anywhere.

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Oct 24, 2013 - 02:12am PT
Nice to know I can predict the majority of arguments and responses in a gun thread before I ever even click on it. Most of the time I can guess who's saying what.

Any of you geniuses ever consider that the areas with the most restrictive gun laws have basically enacted them in reaction to what they consider to be unacceptable levels of gun violence? Doesn't look to me like it's working. And I'd bet it has more to do with the demographics and poverty rate in those areas than it does with what kind of weapons they own. They probably do more drugs too.
It's always reactive, virtually always ineffective... like putting a bandaid on a cut to try and cure the infection it caused in the bloodstream.

Blah blah blah predictable blah snarky response blah blah insult blah arrogant retort blah blah blah real fact blah denial blah anecdotal evidence blah dismissal more insults etc

Have fun with it. Hell, go play a video game. It's only simulated.

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Oct 24, 2013 - 02:17am PT
and hey.. here's another question:
HOw many anti-gunners are willing to sack up and admit they won't be satisfied until all the guns are gone?

'cause ya know, that point of view just validates the "gun nut's" fears...
Delhi Dog

Good Question...
Oct 24, 2013 - 04:39am PT

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Oct 24, 2013 - 07:57am PT
You can't wait 45 minutes? The first gun I bought took me three months to complete the paperwork, for a .22 Remington pump action. I'm sure it's pure co-incidence that in a country of five million people, there were less than ten gun murders each year. Find the most rural, lowest population density region in the US you can, I bet it won't have a lower rate.


Gym climber
South of Heaven
Oct 24, 2013 - 10:48am PT
In a vast majority of all these shootings, there is a common thread: The bad guy is the only guy with the gun.

But in some cases the bad guy was NOT the only one with a gun. The expert sniper at the shooting range, Giffords shooting, Sandyhook, the mall shooting in Seattle. The "good guys" with the guns didn't stop the tragedies from happening.

The only absolute, 100% undeniable constant in every single one of these shootings: the bad guy had a gun.

And no sane person can argue it was difficult for them to acquire that gun... because you know it ain't. They are everywhere. You can buy one off the streets EASY (just ask Chaz). The majority of guns on the streets come from straw purchases... because it is SOOOO FUKING EASY TO DO.

Anyone who can't see that is an idiot... most likely an idiot who loves guns enough to ignore the facts.

I have guns, I like guns... but wake the fuk up... guns are just too fuking easy to get ahold of... there are just too many fuking guns in this country.

Oct 24, 2013 - 11:20am PT

For myself, I trust all of you more than any politician. Why should politicians, who's goal in life is to gain control and power, have the guns but not any of you? Why should they have even more control over us? The Mexican government passed strict gun laws in Mexico and now gun violence is off the charts as they got them out of the honest folks hands, and currently the biggest criminals are the police and Guardia National. Gun violence and kidnappings are rampant in Mexico. Somehow the criminals find ways to get them, currently they smuggle them in form the US but tomorrow they could just as easily get them from any number of other places.

Yet when you cross the border from Mexico into Texas where guns are common in the hands of citizens, there is significantly less gun violence.


Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Oct 24, 2013 - 11:25am PT

and if you move to La la land you can meet Peter Pan...


Gym climber
South of Heaven
Oct 24, 2013 - 11:42am PT
Why should politicians, who's goal in life is to gain control and power, have the guns but not any of you?

Ain't going to happen. Wake up idiot.

And comparing Texas to Mexico, assuming gun ownership is what makes the difference? Christ you people are fuking dumb.

HOw many anti-gunners are willing to sack up and admit they won't be satisfied until all the guns are gone?

jonnyrig, I'm guessing there are an approximately equal number of those who want all guns gone and those who amass guns because they fear they will have to defend themselves against a tyrannical government invasion. Both sides are fuking whack jobs. Why play their game? You and I both know it is far too easy for violent jack asses to get a hold of guns and something needs to be done about that. Fuk the extremists on both sides... we can do better.

'cause ya know, that point of view just validates the "gun nut's" fears...

Really? Validates gun nut's fears? My impression is that gun nut's fears are along the lines that the government is going to take all our guns and force us to live in some kind of tyrannical socialist dystopia. Again... why play their game? It ain't going to happen. It is fuking ridiculous.

How many gun nuts are willing to sack up and admit they think Alex Jones has a valid point?

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Oct 24, 2013 - 01:47pm PT
Hmm- interesting. Most folks i,ve talkf to have been stocking up simply because they,re afraid the guns will be outlawed and thus unavailable soon. Ammo, however, they seem to think is being hoarded by the govt. Although, as with all supply and demand, its also currently hard to find because of private hoarding.

I,ve asked before and gotten almost no response- exactly where is that line the govt must cross that justifies defending oneself from tyrany by shooting at the govt? People think its a dumb question, but if thats your excuse for owning a firearm, or even any factor in it, then you better dam well be able to answer that question.

Topic Author's Reply - Oct 24, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
For those looking forward to taking on the government with a glock.


Social climber
Colorado Plateau
Oct 24, 2013 - 05:32pm PT
moar gunz is the answer, duh? it worked pretty well here:
Two Michigan drivers shot and killed each other Wednesday night after a road rage incident took a fatal turn in a drive-in car wash parking lot, police said.

Robert Taylor, 56, and James Pullum, 43, were driving on a highway in Ionia, Mich., when Taylor began to closely follow Pullum, according to the Ionia Public Safety Department, based on witness reports.

The two drivers eventually pulled into the parking lot of Wonder Wand Car Wash, at the intersection of M-66 highway and Steele Street. where they got out of their vehicles and fired shots at each other, police said. The two men exchanged a total of eight to nine shots, police said.

Pullum’s mother and wife were both passengers in the Ford Taurus at the time of the incident, while Taylor, driving a Chrysler PT Cruiser, was alone, police said. No one else was injured.

The drivers were transported to Sparrow Ionia Hospital, where they were pronounced dead shortly after 7 p.m. local time, authorities said.

Police told ABC News that they cannot release information about who fired their weapon first.

Taylor had a misdemeanor conviction in 2006 for driving while intoxicated and separately for carrying a gun in the car, Ionia County Prosecutor Robert Schafer told ABC News. As a result, his concealed weapons license was revoked for three years. He eventually applied and received a new license four years later in 2010, Schafer said.

Michael Wood, the owner of the Wonder Wand Car Wash, told ABC News that he also has a concealed license permit, just like the two drivers did, but never carries a gun with him.

“It’s the strangest situation I’ve ever heard of,” Wood said. “We’ve all had altercations in road rage, but to pull a weapon?”

Wood said he knew both Taylor and Pullum and that both were well-liked in the community. In fact, an employees at his car wash was best friends with Pullum, Wood said.

The confirmed cause of death was indeed gunshot wounds, said the Ionia Public Safety Department, which is waiting for toxicology and autopsy reports to see if alcohol or drugs were involved.

Taylor’s family could not be reached for comment. A woman at Pullum’s residence said the family is not making any statements at this time.

Nov 7, 2013 - 08:46am PT
Guns and Ammo editorial stirs the pot:

"Way too many gun owners still seem to believe that any regulation of the right to keep and bear arms is an infringement," contributing editor Dick Metcalf wrote in a column titled "Let's Talk Limits." "The fact is, all constitutional rights are regulated, always have been, and need to be."

I would post an excerpt from the column but it is a pdf download.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Nov 7, 2013 - 11:21am PT
Coming up on the 75th anniversary of Kristallnacht.

Author Stephen P. Halbrook has spent years researching the Weimar Republic and has recently unearthed documents that leave no doubt that gun confiscation was a lynchpin in Hitler's plan to control not only the Jews, but the entire civilian populace as well. Registration was key.

It is always the same. The rationale is appealing.

"We can make a safer world."

Ya, right.

Trad climber
Nov 7, 2013 - 11:55am PT
^safer for who is the question.
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