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phylp

Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
Oct 17, 2013 - 01:38pm PT
That photo is shocking. I too am interested in news about this. As facts become available, will someone please post?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Oct 17, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
I blame it on the hip-hop tunes those boys be rocking.

I would never cut a pre-Comstock era tree.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Oct 17, 2013 - 01:47pm PT
Always fascinated that bolting dead rock is debated, and chipping and gluing are ostracized, but cutting dead an ancient tree is ok for climbers.

If I remember correctly, one of those guys somewhat defended the chipping incident(s) in the Gunks.

I've never heard that cutting an ancient tree is okay for anyone. That sh#t will corrode your soul. You will become the walking dead, a plaything for agents of Satan like me to exploit.
FTOR

Sport climber
CA
Oct 17, 2013 - 01:50pm PT
anyone here ever climb in squamish? lots of climber initiated logging up there. impressive.
adrian korosec

climber
Tucson
Oct 17, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
I wonder how old that tree was.
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Oct 17, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
The debate on "cleaning" at Squamish is not black and white.

But looking at the photo of the alleged felled tree in this thread is comparing chalk with cheese.

Squamish is stupid with trees where the place this juniper grew looks pretty devoid of them.

There are trees at Squamish , however, like this juniper which would set off a firestorm of controversy if cut. Ryan already mentioned one - the tree at the base of the Split Pillar.

Shame on these climbers if they actually did cut down the old juniper.
tornado

climber
lawrence kansas
Oct 17, 2013 - 01:58pm PT
What is sad is that they most likely had no idea how old the tree was. Total disconnect from nature.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Oct 17, 2013 - 01:59pm PT
About a decade ago out at Malibu I cut down two dead, rotted out trees flushed up right against the base and lower face of Mt. Gorgeous, making it possible to climb what now have become a handful of the most popular route in the park. These tress were dead dead, like rotted inside and hollow. Quite a different thing than hacking down a 2,000 year old juniper or whatever it was. But the fact is I might be just as guilty as those guys. It's hard to argue that cutting down those trees is not a crime against Nature.

JL
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Oct 17, 2013 - 02:02pm PT
These tress were dead dead, like rotted inside and hollow.

Most likely habitat trees for sentient beings.

Someone should go count the rings on that juniper. Was this in the Tahoe area?
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Oct 17, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
WHOA! This is almost as bad as the time that dude erased that chalk mark on the Columbia Boulder. HAHAHA!

LOL this comment made my day. Internet wanking at its best!

Gear manufactures take note:

If this sh#t is for real, I will be paying attention to who sponsors the perpetrators.

Who am I? I'm an upper-middle-class weekend warrior with disposable income.

In other words, I'm your core market.

More lulz. So you gonna stop getting all that BD gear if one of them is sponsored by them? :) Personally, I never gave a sh#t who is sponsored by which brand. If I need a product and it is a superior product, I buy it.

I blame it on the hip-hop tunes those boys be rocking.

That explains it all.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Oct 17, 2013 - 02:09pm PT
Gear manufactures take note:

If this sh#t is for real, I will be paying attention to who sponsors the perpetrators.

Who am I? I'm an upper-middle-class weekend warrior with disposable income.

In other words, I'm your core market.

Plus 1 for Largo too, for owning up to the possibility.

I have climbed gingerly through some branches over the years, but I have never cut down an old grandfather for a route.

F*#k that, is my educated response, after 50 years outdoors.

I'd like to see the alleged perps post up a response, like the Wings Of Steel men did.
Deekaid

climber
Oct 17, 2013 - 02:09pm PT
billy goat duly noted

really sucks...i don't like breaking brush while bushwhacking... kind of the Ron kauk theory ... I just cannot imagine the mentality the disconnect
Dapper Dan

Trad climber
Menlo Park
Oct 17, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
This conversation is in desperate need of facts and/or witnesses.
squishy

Mountain climber
Oct 17, 2013 - 02:39pm PT
Still no info of where this was, no details at all. What's the point of this thread again?
Dapper Dan

Trad climber
Menlo Park
Oct 17, 2013 - 02:43pm PT
"If he says it happened and nobody is denying it, what other "facts" or "witnesses" do you need? "

That's a scary statement , I wonder if others share the same opinion .
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Oct 17, 2013 - 02:50pm PT
Point is: logging singular old growth junipers out of the vertical realm to climb=BAD.

Logging old-growth pines in the forest to build a house=better.

Cleaning moss, scrub brush, and dirt out of cracks with a weedeater, bolting in general, and what color chalk to use=a bit of a rocky subject.
le_bruce

climber
Oakland, CA
Oct 17, 2013 - 02:54pm PT
K-Man:

I saw the same thing for what was at the time the hardest climb in Yosemite.

Which climb was that?
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Oct 17, 2013 - 02:59pm PT
Cleaning moss, scrub brush, and dirt out of cracks with a weedeater, bolting in general, and what color chalk to use=a bit of a rocky subject.

Gas powered leafblower works way better.
KP Ariza

climber
SCC
Oct 17, 2013 - 03:05pm PT
Machine Gun

Oak tree
PSP also PP

Trad climber
Berkeley
Oct 17, 2013 - 03:11pm PT
If true; welcome to world of climbing without sponsors!
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