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skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Jul 17, 2015 - 12:41pm PT
If you are shooting blanks, the gun goes "click, click" no matter what your age.
looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
Jul 17, 2015 - 12:47pm PT
Waitwaitwait. As a rule I stay out of these types of threads, but are you really citing BEER COMMERCIALS and JAMES BOND MOVIES as evidence that younger women lust after older men? You realize that both of those things are targeted at and playing off of men's fantasies, not women's fantasies, right?

Edit: Fwiw, I don't care, as long as both parties are happy. But using those as evidence seems like a pretty pathetic attempt at justification.
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Jul 17, 2015 - 01:06pm PT
I still don't know what I wanna' be when I finally grow up...
Chris Roderick

climber
Jul 17, 2015 - 01:45pm PT
All that nonsense two years ago and you never even banged her !? Good lord, you really are delusional.

Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Jul 17, 2015 - 01:50pm PT
To quote Oscar Wilde: "Celibacy is the most unusual of all perversions.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 17, 2015 - 02:43pm PT
"Jul 17, 2015 - 12:47pm PT
Waitwaitwait. As a rule I stay out of these types of threads, but are you really citing BEER COMMERCIALS and JAMES BOND MOVIES as evidence that younger women lust after older men? You realize that both of those things are targeted at and playing off of men's fantasies, not women's fantasies, right?

Edit: Fwiw, I don't care, as long as both parties are happy. But using those as evidence seems like a pretty pathetic attempt at justification."



Hey, it was a fun related distraction and an obvious stereotype. But as you know all stereotypes have a seed of truth to them. Lol

I would say yes, men's fantasies for sure, but also women's fantasies. I know plenty of young women, teenagers who have fantasies about older men, famous actors with money, and good looks. They pretty much all have their favorite fantasies. My 15 year old daughter certainly does -- Johnny Depp. She asked, "Would you let me marry him?"
I said, "I would let you go out with him on a date. But we know it's not gonna happen so I don't have to worry about it. Lol"

I always bust up laughing at the DosXX commercials. They're brilliant. And I have always enjoyed the James Bond movies. When was the first James Bond movie with his beautiful younger Swiss free diving love interest looking great in a bikini? "Dr. No," 1962 the year I was born. Very cool.

Edit: by the way, the next Bond goes for a much older Cougar.


Klimmer

Mountain climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 17, 2015 - 02:51pm PT
It looks good. I put it in my Amazon wish list. Thanks :)
jstan

climber
Jul 17, 2015 - 03:08pm PT
Sex is one of those subjects in which wishful thinking predominates. If there are any young
males out there who find the subject of interest, get yourself a microscope and see how sperm
degrades as you age. It is quite marked. Actually I have thought for some time it made sense to
cryopreserve semen at 18. You may be fairly successful in life, merit reproducing yourself, and
would like the chance to go out while watching your young child being amazed each day by what
they see around them. A hell of a send off. And fear not. Intelligent and vital young women will
sign up for such a task if their child gains security. Need to plan on putting the child through
graduate school though.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/06/060606-sperm-clock.html

Men Have Biological Clocks Too, Sperm Study Says
John Roach
for National Geographic News
June 6, 2006
Note to men: You've got a biological clock too, and it's ticking.

It's not just women who face decreased reproductive success with age. The genetic quality of
sperm deteriorates as men get older, according to a new study.

Starting in their 20s, men face steadily increasing chances of infertility, fathering an unsuccessful
pregnancy, and passing on to their children a genetic mutation that causes dwarfism, according
to the study.

The finding comes as more and more men are delaying fatherhood. Since 1980 U.S. birth rates
have increased up to 40 percent for men aged 35 to 49 and decreased up to 20 percent for men
under the age of 30, according to the research.

Studies have also shown that it takes longer for older men to conceive.

"We [now] know the probability for certain types of DNA damage goes up with age, and we can
give you a mathematical probability," said Andrew Wyrobek, a researcher at the Lawrence
Livermore National Laboratory in Livermore, California.

The higher the percentage of a man's sperm that has DNA damage, the less likely he will be able
to successfully father a healthy child, Wyrobek added.

Wyrobek is a co-lead author of the new study, which appears in today's issue of the journal
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Researchers have long known that female fertility decreases with age. The longer women delay
reproduction, the greater their risk of miscarriage and giving birth to children with diseases such
as Down syndrome.

Female fertility abruptly ends with the onset of menopause.

"Our research suggests that men too have a biological time clock, only it is different," Brenda
Eskenzai, a study co-author at the University of California, Berkeley's School of Public Health,
said in a statement.

"Men seem to have a gradual rather than an abrupt change in fertility and in the potential ability
to produce viable healthy offspring."


In the study, Wyrobek, Eskenzai, and colleagues examined the genetic quality of sperm from 97
healthy, nonsmoking men between the ages of 22 and 80. The men were current and retired
employees of the Livermore laboratory.

The study sample included at least 15 men from each ten-year period from 20 to 60 years of
age and 25 men 60 to 80 years old.

In earlier research on the same sperm samples, the team found that sperm count, mobility, and
the ability of sperm to move in a straight line declines with age. The new research shows that
mobility has a high correlation with DNA fragmentation.

The new study also found that men face increased risk of fathering children with achondroplasia,
a genetic mutation that causes a form of dwarfism.

The condition stunts bone growth; affected individuals have short arms and legs and grow to
only about 4 feet (1.2 meters) tall.

As women grow older, they are more likely to give birth to a baby with Down syndrome. Not so
for men, apparently.

However, the study found no general correlation among male age and chromosome changes that
cause Down syndrome.

Even so, 4 of the 97 men were at increased risk for transmitting multiple genetic and
chromosomal defects, according to the results. Age may have nothing to do with these subjects'
condition, though; one was in his 20s and three were over 60.

Interestingly, Wyrobek added, the sperm in the Lawrence Livermore sample showed no increase
with age in Apert syndrome, a disfiguring birth defect.

However, the likelihood of fathering a child with Apert increased with age in men from inner-city
Baltimore, Maryland, tested by researchers at the Johns Hopkins Medical Center for a different
study.

Wyrobek cautioned against reading too much into the Baltimore study group's results, since they
were all from men who lived in the same area.

"There're other things going on besides age. … It could be socioeconomic, or diet, or ethnicity."

Further studies, he added, will examine the Apert syndrome factor in greater detail.

Don't Panic

Craig Niederberger is a urologist at the University of Illinois in Chicago. He said the research
findings are interesting and warrant further study. But he cautioned that the technique used to
test the DNA of sperm is new and controversial.

"Older men should not yet be concerned about fathering children. The evidence is still
inconclusive," he said.

According to Niederberger, who is president of the Society for Male Reproduction and Urology,
researchers need to examine the integrity of sperm DNA with other methods before sounding
alarms about male infertility.

Nevertheless, he said, the finding that a genetic mutation that leads to dwarfism increases with
age is cause for "some concern. We ought to pursue it."

Wyrobek said the research raises more questions than answers. But it suggests certain kinds of
DNA damage and genetic defects go up with age.

Bottom line: "There are consequences of delaying fatherhood," he said.

Klimmer

Mountain climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 17, 2015 - 03:16pm PT
The secret to attracting younger women is the ability to do hand stands ...





See, then she wants to do it too ...



I'm surprised the PUA community hasn't figured this out yet? Lol
ladyscarlett

Trad climber
SF Bay Area, California
Jul 17, 2015 - 03:50pm PT
Anyone ever consider that sperm potency might not be an important factor for a younger girl/woman attracted to older guys?

You guys seems to think that a young(er) woman want a father for potential kids. That's a big assumption. I personally know of a respectable sub-section of women who are perfectly fine with guys who 'shoot blanks' and even be preferable.

I recall a short conversation with a GF

'I HATE birth control these days!!'

'If you only have sex only with men who have had vasectomies, you wouldn't have to worry about birth control. It doesn't mean there aren't other considerations, but you wouldn't have to be concerned about birth control.'

'That's brilliant! I mean BRILLIANT!!! Definitely going to adjust my dating checklist'

In an over-populated world, don't be surprised if women and men become less and less focused on procreation. Of course, you gotta be sure the chick or dude who says they don't want kids really means it...all the way through her reproductive life. That's the difficulty.

Also, if you want to attract the people who like a little experience in their relationships, don't hide that experience. Salt and Pepper is the sexiest hair color!

At the end of the day, it's really between the two people and what makes them happy.

What does this all mean?

That I need a pic with me and at least 5 salt and pepper hard core climber MEN...ALL IN LYCRA!!! (Silvers are welcome and encouraged as well!)

Cheers

LS



nah000

climber
no/w/here
Jul 17, 2015 - 04:32pm PT
Klimmer, you never cease to amaze, delight, and set some of the best hooks on supertopo...

seriously citing the bibble to argue that this is god's plan?..

and i just can't help but get pulled in by this beauty:
"(I) did all (I) could to hang on, to stay together, but she still wants to go and leave the marriage and (I) didn't do anything worthy of divorce"

uh... huh... i'm sure it has nothing to do with the passive-aggressive, judgemental, self-centred, bitter, angry, controlling emotional reality that results in the immediately following:
"perhaps she's just going through menopause and now she doesn't want sex, hates men, she raised you and your kids, now she just wants "me time""

good to know the m/d coupling you seek is due to god's plan and has nothing to do with [a lack of] age appropriate emotional maturity, self-awareness and responsibility...

thanks for the hard fought wisdom... /s

and best of luck with the next generation!
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Jul 17, 2015 - 04:48pm PT
Re: those "little operations" that many wives insist their spouses submit to, in order to maintain "domestic harmony;" I did (submit to the insistence of my first wife), and had the big "V" done. It IS uncomfortable, but I guess that's all behind at this point in life. Call it my non-contribution to the gene pool. I had 2 healthy and bright children before, and that is good enough.
TWP

Trad climber
Mancos, CO & Bend, OR
Jul 17, 2015 - 05:01pm PT
With passage of time, we can now tell that Kiimmer got to follow SLR's sage advice. Which was: "Screw the hell out of her while you can, but don't get married." And he's moved on to more young damsels than the original Mrs. Klimmer II - or so I construe the record. So, are congratulations in order to Klimmer for a job well done? And SLR for offering the advice that stood the test of time?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jul 17, 2015 - 05:28pm PT
Bigamy is having one too many wives.
Marriage is the same.
    Oscar Wilde

Just kidding, of course.


A 26-year old in this day and age isn't a fully grown adult, from what I can see. People change their world views many times in their 20's and 30's.

You might live together in love for decades. Or, as you grow to be 70, she'll be in her mid-40's and might...


Hmmm, I think I'm with DMT, go for it.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 17, 2015 - 05:29pm PT
First of all I'm still married (barely). The last of the divorce process is coming up. I'm not dating but have hung out with younger women in group settings. When I'm fully divorced I will date. Patience. For me, a man of faith, I want a woman of faith. At this point I know to wait until marriage. Gotta find one first and the attraction has to be mutual of course. I'm looking and my list is growing.

Ain't gonna never ever ever go under the knife. Testicles, knife, the 2 don't ever get close to one another ever!!! What are you people thinking? Lol. I like my manhood. After babies if that's what she wants or not, then a very unobtrusive IUD. Problem solved for both of us. Simple. That is what my wife did after our 2 children. Never any problems and I didn't have to wear a rubber straight jacket. Perfect. And I still have my manhood :)



By the way, every guy wants to know how does he measure up? Also woman want to know how does their man measure up? ... Well, now you'll know. Enjoy :-)

http://blog.aarp.org/2015/02/27/why-women-should-check-a-mans-finger-size/?cmp=BAC-OUTBRAIN-BLOG-MOB-DSO_34368605_Men’s+Finger+Size+Can+Indicate+A_5055358

http://www.m.webmd.com/men/news/20110705/study-penis-size-linked-to-length-of-fingers

http://www.enkivillage.com/height-and-penis-size.html

http://www.buzzfeed.com/caseygueren/hard-facts-about-penis-size


***The last article above is the best. There they go off to the bathroom with their English/metric soft tape measures. Lol


Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Jul 18, 2015 - 07:08am PT
Klimmer-

Vasectomy does NOT equate to loss of manhood, and over age 50, I wouldn't advise having a second family; at least not unless you just want someone to care for you in your dotage. To enjoy children, you still need to be able to actively play with them--baseball, track-- the usual school related sports-- as well as the outdoor life.

Don't regard having relations outside marriage as "fornication," but as "experimental relationships." That is, after your divorce is finalized. If you are lucky, you will find a second love of your life; if not you will simply be...fukked...
Flip Flop

climber
Earth Planet, Universe
Jul 22, 2015 - 09:43am PT
Lady Scarlet,
I'm more of a mid-August hey-day than a December and have viable swimmers, however, I've got some silver in my straw and have already fullfilled the biological imperative. Now, i've got no interest in joining a five-top of silverbacks but you're damn hot and I wouldn't mind being in the picture.So, in a word, " Heeeeeeeey!
pb

Sport climber
Sonora Ca
Jul 22, 2015 - 10:02am PT
can we have pics of the tree climber now?
ladyscarlett

Trad climber
SF Bay Area, California
Jul 22, 2015 - 12:40pm PT
Lady Scarlet,
I'm more of a mid-August hey-day than a December and have viable swimmers, however, I've got some silver in my straw and have already fullfilled the biological imperative. Now, i've got no interest in joining a five-top of silverbacks but you're damn hot and I wouldn't mind being in the picture.So, in a word, " Heeeeeeeey!

Heheh, so adorable!

have viable swimmers
- just one is too many!

and

I've got some silver in my straw
- some is not enough. Salt and pepper or silvers only qualify. Bald in special circumstances.

That being said Flip Flop, you can always dye your hair to give the false sense of experience! hee hee!

Cheers

LS

ps - I didn't say anything about silverbacks! Back hair, regardless of color should be waxed off! Or leave it on the OW....!
Crazy Bat

Sport climber
Birmingham, AL & Seweanee, TN
Jul 22, 2015 - 12:43pm PT
I have not read all the posts in this string. My father remarried after his divorce from my mother. She was three momths younger than me. I was 40 at the time. Age was not the issue I had with her, but that is not germaine to this.

It sounds like this is just beginning. All my life I have been attracted to men older than me. The boys my age were the ones who bullied me. At 15 I dicovered caving and begain hanging with adults. I always had a bigger intelect tnan my age and in that crowd I was respected for it rather than ridiculled. Of course they were more attractive to me.

In your case, it would be natural for her to see herself married to an older man. It is called modeling. One of my biggest fears with my father's wifs was my own fear that they would have children. Talk to your kids, find out what they feel. Find out if she even wants kids.

Ive known several may december relationships. In both the guy still found her attractive in her 80's.

For me personally I no longer have motivation to remarry, unless I get preggers, but I'm a crone now so that isn't gonna happen. If children are not something she wants, as a practical thing, I'm not religious, I would say just live together. There is a lot less paperwork if it does not work out and simplifies things for your kids.
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