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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 13, 2013 - 10:11pm PT
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20 year marriage coming to an end. Wife is bent on getting the divorce after 2.5 year separation.
Met a beautiful woman who's 26 and I'm 51. I really like her, and she is adventurous and willing to go for it. She is a natural climber. She floats up trees and rocks, and she likes the beach. We are both Messianic believers. She loves and serves HaShem. Did I say she was beatiful and in great shape?
When the divorce goes through, I'll be free to marry again since I didn't ask for it and I'm letting my wife go as she wants. See 1 Corinthians 7: The Pauline Privilege. I can only marry another believer. No more non-believers or woman riding on the fence.
There are sparks when our eyes meet and we talk. I've had the pleasure of doing some fun activities in group settings with her, surfing and climbing.
What do you think about the age gap? I would be willing to have more children with her.
Very interesting ...
18/May - Dec Marriages in Hollywood:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/gallery/demi-moore-ashton-kutcher-may-december-263213#1-ashton-kutcher-demi-moore
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Oct 13, 2013 - 10:25pm PT
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Part of me says "Go for it!" You should grab happiness where you can and forget about social convention. The more cynical side of me says think 20 years down the road. She is 46 and you are 71. Depending on how you age and your health, there could be a HUGE difference in your physical capabilities, level of energy, etc...
My parents next door neighbors are 22 or 23 years apart and have been together for over 30 years. They have a great relationship. My accountant just split with his significant other after 8 years. They were 18 years apart and he said that their age difference was a huge issues.
Whatever you decide, I hope that you find much happiness in your relationship.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 13, 2013 - 10:31pm PT
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I hope I age like Donini. ;-)
I'm gonna try and stay active as long as I can: climb, ski, paraglide, SCUBA, SUP, etc. etc.
Thanks for the encouragement!
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 13, 2013 - 10:34pm PT
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One thing going for me is that her parents have a large age gap, about 20 years, and her father is older than my father. Her parents are very much in love.
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plasticmullet
climber
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Oct 13, 2013 - 10:48pm PT
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This thread is worthless without pics.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Oct 13, 2013 - 11:08pm PT
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I wouldn't be ask'in the world. I'd be asking God.
It is between you three..
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FRUMY
Trad climber
Bishop,CA
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Oct 13, 2013 - 11:13pm PT
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My father's first two marriages were to women older than him. The marriages lasted 14 years & 5 years his last has been to a woman 20 years younger than him - It's last so far about 35 years.
Personally although I get along with women of all ages I always end up with one my age, we just have more history to share.
The difference in age when you are 70 won't matter if you have always treated her well.
Best to both of you.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Oct 13, 2013 - 11:21pm PT
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Klimmer, I'm just wondering why you throw the Bible in on this forum and this thread. I'm very sure few care.
This relationship is between you and your Creator. If you have to ask us what we think you are already in trouble. Jess sayin', Lynne.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 13, 2013 - 11:22pm PT
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It's something to talk about.
What do people really think about age differences? It's an interesting question and obviously everyone has an opinion. Lol.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Oct 13, 2013 - 11:28pm PT
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Screw the hell out of her while you can, but don't get married.
The age difference may seem wonderful now, but in 20 years it will be hell for her. If you care about her, don't put her through something like that.
Bang her until she dumps you, then move on.
(Hey - you asked....)
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
Technically...the spawning grounds of Yosemite
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Oct 13, 2013 - 11:30pm PT
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Klimmer, when my husband and I first met, I spent more time evading him than allowing his light to shine on me. I didn't know our age difference, but guessed it was outside of the "norm".
When we got engaged, my father (know for his tact), said something like "aren't uou afraid when you get oldet that he'll want a younger woman?"
my response was that was possible in any relationship. Any relationship worth its salt involves risk. So why miss out on a great relationship NOW, if no one knows what the future will bring anyway?
If you are lucky enough to find someone who meets you with her heart open, and you are compatable souls, hold on and be grateful for each day. Damn the torpedoes!!! And best of luck to you.
P.S. sorry 4 typos - can't stand new phone.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 13, 2013 - 11:34pm PT
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SLR,
Pagan advice. Can't do that.
I want to marry someday again not hurt her.
If I really care about her I will and can wait to be with her.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Oct 13, 2013 - 11:36pm PT
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I hope you're asking here on ST strictly for the entertainment value Klimmer.
Who really cares what others think? Go with your gut.
Have a great time and let it flow man...
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Oct 13, 2013 - 11:39pm PT
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Then I repeat:
The age difference may seem wonderful now, but in 20 years it will be hell for her. If you care about her, don't put her through something like that.
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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Oct 13, 2013 - 11:43pm PT
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Love is where you find it, certainly. Most don't actually find it, so to be truthful.... If you have found it, this is wonderful. But usually we are deluded, at least near term.
ee cummings said, "Unless you are in love, nothing seems to make any sense".
So love is very important and the point of many life pursuits. I think that regarding large differences in age, there is a wagonload of banal prejudices usually pointed at the May-December couple by many. Much like towards gay couples, interracial couples, even cross-cultural couples. You are going to have to be not only the judge of your situation but also the bearer of its cross as well, if you choose to consider the opinions of many.
But in all things, keep smart, no matter what.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Oct 13, 2013 - 11:46pm PT
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 13, 2013 - 11:46pm PT
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Pud,
Yes and no.
It's entertaining to know what others think and it in turn does make me think.
Abraham had a whole new family after his first wife Sarah died. He married another woman of childbirth age, and he did so after the age of 100!!
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Oct 13, 2013 - 11:51pm PT
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Klimmer, let's be realistic. I read and believe the Bible, but Dude, this is not the Old Testament. We live in 2013. How many people do you know that are 100 and how many are super funtional?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 14, 2013 - 12:03am PT
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That was just an extreme example, to make a point.
We are talking 25 years (only) in this situation. Seems outside the USA it's far more common for May-December marriages.
Did I say she was born in Brazil to Missionary parents? She is fully of European decent. I love her Brazilian accent when she drops her guard. She came to the USA at the age of 9. She can sound just like any SoCal girl, but sometimes she drifts to her native accent. Love it.
She's fluent in Portuguese and of course English :-)
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jstan
climber
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Oct 14, 2013 - 02:52am PT
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Shouldn't this have all been folded into the fingers crossed thread?
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jopay
climber
so.il
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Oct 14, 2013 - 06:47am PT
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When a Minnesota farmer was asked how he kept warm in the Minnesota winters he replied, I keep a young wife.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Oct 14, 2013 - 09:24am PT
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Being a man is a full time job, you may need a little vacation to gain some perspective. Best to you both.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 14, 2013 - 09:24am PT
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Cragman,
You crack me up. Lol. Do you realize how many teachers and students have married through the ages? That would include HS and College.
It happens quite often.
In fact a study has been done that indicates male teachers have a preference for younger woman. And when their marriages go south they have a preference for younger woman to date or to marry. I will have to find the link to the study in a research journal and post it. Think about it. Male teachers are surrounded by a sea of younger women. It impacts all male teachers. Who you think is attractive and why changes as a male teacher over the years. For women teachers not so much. Males are immature.
Yes, she's aware of Fallen Angels mating with Earthly women and having Nephilim offspring. She reads and knows The Good Book. She herself has an incredible testimony how she came to know Yeshua. Shes a Messianic believer. Does she know there's a massive craft on the Moon that even "the Moonwalkers" know is there? Probably not. But I don't think it would surprise her. Truth sometimes is more incredible than fiction. We live in interesting times.
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Leggs
Sport climber
Tucson, AZ
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Oct 14, 2013 - 09:42am PT
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If you are lucky enough to find someone who meets you with her heart open, and you are compatable souls, hold on and be grateful for each day. Damn the torpedoes!!! And best of luck to you.
P.S. sorry 4 typos - can't stand new phone.
+1
(including the part about the typos)
;)
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 14, 2013 - 10:06am PT
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There are few guidelines in relationships. So everyone's guidance here has limited value. Follow your own hearts.
I hope it works for both of you. Relationships are incredibly hard.
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Deekaid
climber
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Oct 14, 2013 - 10:31am PT
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what is the point here? you will just shoot down with your Bible gun every opinion except the one that agrees with your already set mind.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Oct 14, 2013 - 10:44am PT
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Well, It really boils down to individual personalities. When I was in my 20's it was normal for me to date men 10-20 years older because my personality dictated that I needed a more mature partner than I could find in my age-bracket. Other girls my age were dating older men for reasons like money, or some Mid-life crisis ex-somebody ( who generally just wanted a hot young girl on his arm) managed to impress them. These "relationships".. based in fantasy with no common ground to anchor the age-gap invariably ended badly.
I just watched one go down in my personal circles... It was a near 30-year age gap with an extremely selfish and immature hot-young-thing. A guy in total denial about his motivations for keeping her. The relationship was totally creepy in my eyes and was a 3 year train wreck before she finally dumped him.
You may have an advantage with this one in that you share a faith and her cultural background may influence her views. (speculating of course). In the end age gaps can be an issue though, so I'd give it a good long courting period and be willing to look at the relationship with open eyes. Listen to your friends and family if they start warning you there are issues. If her parents are opposed it's hopeless and you should move on.
... and do not marry her until she can name the four Beatles ;)
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Deekaid
climber
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Oct 14, 2013 - 10:47am PT
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may-december romance ...ha! they couldn't come up with a better name for it?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Oct 14, 2013 - 11:12am PT
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The cute one,
The "deep" one,
The spiritual one,
And Ringo; the fun one!
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scooter
climber
fist clamp
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Oct 14, 2013 - 11:19am PT
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Messianic believer and 26 vs. 51, you sound pretty much insane! HA! Have fun!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Oct 14, 2013 - 11:22am PT
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He's too young for me!
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rmuir
Social climber
From the Time Before the Rocks Cooled.
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Oct 14, 2013 - 11:29am PT
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Oct 14, 2013 - 11:35am PT
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Four?
Seems a little sick that a high school teacher is thinking about marrying someone that could have been his student just a few years ago.
Maybe twisted is a better word.
^Klimmer...you're asking for this sh#t.....get a life.
It'll give the self-appointed judge something to whisper about in the pews.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Oct 14, 2013 - 11:39am PT
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Fox pews lol
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Oct 14, 2013 - 11:44am PT
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So you are twenty five years older than her..
You have not known her long..
She looks you in the eyes when she talks to you..
and you've done some fun activities in group settings..
and you want to marry her...../
?Dios Mio?
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Oct 14, 2013 - 12:08pm PT
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Does she know you're looking for lonely hearts information on Super Topo?
The age difference may be irrelevant given your judgement in where you seek out information.
But, regardless, good luck, have fun, keep your eyes and heart open!
Donald trades in regularly
Susan
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jstan
climber
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Oct 14, 2013 - 12:51pm PT
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Klimmer:
In what grade level do you teach?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 14, 2013 - 01:52pm PT
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Here is that study ...
Teaching Maybe Hazardous to Your Marriage
http://personal.lse.ac.uk/kanazawa/pdfs/EHB2000a.pdf
Mine didn't end for these reasons. Ended because of spiritual reasons. We were no longer "Equally Yoked." She certainly doesn't believe like I do. She thinks divorce is allowable. But she will do what she will do. Non believers can often leave believers. But HaShem has made a way for the believer to recover if they chose to do so. 1 Corinthians 7.
I'm not really looking for marriage advice, just what do you think about age gaps? Interesting discussion to be sure.
I can definitely relate to the study above. When your marriage goes South for whatever reason, if your job surrounds you with beauty then you're gonna want a younger wife. And why not? I still want to climb, ski, paraglide, etc etc. I want a woman who hasn't given up. I want a partner. I want a woman who's excited to be with me. I enjoy showing her new things. I enjoy talking to younger women. I know their interests, I hear it everyday. Teaching keeps you young. You have to relate to what students are interested in.
I'm always showing students new things and introducing them to new music. Through out the school year they get a plethora of great music through Pandora from me. I have turned many students onto Prog Rock and other genres.
I'm not interested in 18 year old HS women. I do like College age woman. I also want to have the chance to have more children. I feel my family was ripped apart by divorce. Not what I ever expected to happen. I never wanted that. It was forced onto me. Thank you no fault divorce! (Sarcasm)
I definitely think May-December marriages can work. It depends on the couple. Take it case by case.
Perhaps some people are so negative about it because they feel threatened by it for some reason?
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Oct 14, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
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So you are twenty five years older than her..
You have not known her long..
She looks you in the eyes when she talks to you..
and you've done some fun activities in group settings..
and you want to marry her...../
+1
Forget about the age issue. The elephant in the room is that you are fresh out of one bad relationship and rushing as fast as you can into another. IMHO it takes at least a year or two to REALLY know someone. Lust / infatuation can cloud the judgement of even the most rational person. Seriously, slow down.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Oct 14, 2013 - 02:27pm PT
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I think it's a bad idea.
More the lack of time single rather than the age difference, but the latter is worth pause as well.
I've jumped into relationships too soon after a breakup and I'm usually thinking with the wrong head.
Best of luck.
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jgill
Boulder climber
Colorado
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Oct 14, 2013 - 02:32pm PT
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From my perspective (76), I would wait a little longer to be sure you are out of that danger zone of a recent separation, then if it still feels right for both of you, go for it. Pay no attention to SLR; you have at least 20 wonderful years ahead for you both. You can't let the future be held hostage to the past.
Edit: apologies to SLR. His comment seemed to me excessively negative, but it certainly was as valid as mine.
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doughnutnational
Gym climber
its nice here in the spring
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Oct 14, 2013 - 02:33pm PT
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Hey Klimmer if you had a 26 yo old daughter what would you tell her if she wanted to marry a 51 year old man. I have one near that age and I'd advise her "hell no".
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Oct 14, 2013 - 02:35pm PT
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Age is nothing but a number!
If you guys "get" each other, and enjoy each other's company, and things work out well for you, then why knott?
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Deekaid
climber
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Oct 14, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
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with all due respect Mr John Gill legend sir, why not pay attention to SLR's opinion? it is just another viewpoint with which to make an informed decision
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 14, 2013 - 03:15pm PT
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Oct 14, 2013 - 11:33am PT
"Hey Klimmer if you had a 26 yo old daughter what would you tell her if she wanted to marry a 51 year old man. I have one near that age and I'd advise her "hell no"."
Lol. My 13 year old daughter wants to marry Johnny Depp (50yrs or so). She says He's Hot! I tell her so you want to marry your dad? Lol. She has been looking into May-Dec relationships and the ramifications. She obviously isn't serious, but its a long known truth, young woman like older men and older men like younger women. It's always been this way throughout history.
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Oct 14, 2013 - 03:30pm PT
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but its a long known truth, young woman like older men and older men like younger women. It's always been this way throughout history.
Ummm... no. All of us old dudes want this to be true. Wouldn't it be cool if that college cheerleader or hot waitress was really into soft bellies and receding hairlines? Cool for old guys, but not reality. I don't think that the majority of women are looking for a guy 25 years older than them, and I never hear the 20-somthing women that I climb with talking about how they want to hook up with their dads' golf partners. Such is life.
Are there examples of successful relationships where the parters' ages differ by 20 years? Yes. I would posit that statistically, these are outliers and that most successful relationships are between partners of similar age.
I'll say it again; forget about the age thing. Slow down. You are fresh out of one relationship. Get over that, THEN think about finding the next Ms Klimmer.
Whatever you do, I wish you and your lady friend much happiness.
edit - LOL! Dave, you crack me up! Too true!
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Oct 14, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
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Depends on whether you want to have a successful, long-term "couples" relationship or a brief sexual fling with a hot younger woman, which is usually really, really good for about 3 months. However, the memories will last a life time and you will regret it later on if you don't take the plunge. Take a look at Genghis Khan: His favorite 'wife' was a 13 year old red-head he bought in a slave market in Kabul. But back then it was definitely a "Man's World".
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jstan
climber
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Oct 14, 2013 - 03:57pm PT
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However, the memories will last a life time and you will regret it later on if you don't take the plunge.(BM)
It depends upon what you take to be most important. I faced a big delta once, did not take the plunge, and have only good memories. I did the right thing.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Oct 14, 2013 - 04:16pm PT
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Oh! In keeping with my "age is nothing but a number" sentiment - there is nothing wrong with December-May relationships, either. Some of the hottest women I have ever known have been older than me. {wink}
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Oct 14, 2013 - 04:24pm PT
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Forget the age gap, I know a couple (both active and accomplished climbers) who are 30 years apart in age. He turns 75 in November. They seem more together as a couple than anyone else i know.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Oct 14, 2013 - 04:33pm PT
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I'd slow your role. This is how people get divorced 3 times...
And you're a bit of a romantic, Klimmer. This chick has issues. You just don't know it yet.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Oct 14, 2013 - 04:40pm PT
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Here's another one for you, klimmer:
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
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Oct 14, 2013 - 05:39pm PT
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Back in my younger days I liked older guys BUT now looking at those same guys all old and creepy, younger guys win out.
locker, I don't know all the Beetles names, ah ... John, Ringo, ... hmmmm....
oh well, and I ain't no spring chick:-)
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Oct 14, 2013 - 05:42pm PT
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Hey Klimmer
I hope whatever happens is that it works for you.
Best of luck.
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Anastasia
climber
Home
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Oct 14, 2013 - 05:50pm PT
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Marriage...
My advice is... Go on a road trip that involves camping and interesting situations for at least a week. If you get along throughout that, yeah... It might work.
Life is a gamble, you can only win BIG if you risk BIG.
P.S.
I tried the older guy route too. It didn't work for me but it wasn't an age thing. We simply did not have a healthy relationship. My way and theirs simply didn't go together while for some strange reason Bill and I mesh without problems. If you can problem solve with them, have and be a true "partner." Don't look to deep, run with it...
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go-B
climber
Hebrews 1:3
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Oct 14, 2013 - 05:58pm PT
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More like February- December...
If you got the cash she'll do the fling!
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jgill
Boulder climber
Colorado
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Oct 14, 2013 - 06:39pm PT
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I liked older guys BUT now looking at those same guys all old and creepy (Karen)
Why that's just . . . unbelievable! Boy, you sure didn't make my day . . .
;>)
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Oct 14, 2013 - 06:41pm PT
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The rule of age in dating/hookup/marriage is the following: half your age plus seven years... so at 51 you have 25.5 plus 7 or 32.5 The cutoff line for 51 is 32.5. Anyone over 32.5 years is fair game anyone younger is trouble.
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Daphne
Trad climber
Northern California
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Oct 14, 2013 - 06:43pm PT
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While it is good for you to see that the interest in love, connection and a good shtupping continue into middle age and beyond, leaping into "what ifs" about a solid relationship without any long term information gathered from the period that happens after the love-drugs abate reveals your lack of readiness.
My professional opinion? I'd say that this is your body saying "I am ready" and the strength of the chemistry is over-riding your pre-frontal cortex. Wait until your divorce is final and you've had a while on your own without distraction before you open up to finding your mate.
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Gene
climber
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Oct 14, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
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Met a beautiful woman who's 26 and I'm 51.
If your birthday is before hers, you will be twice her age. What's she gonna do when she turns 50 and you're 100?
g
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jstan
climber
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Oct 14, 2013 - 07:28pm PT
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Somewhere I heard women age twice as fast as men. If true Klimmer and heart throb will both be the same age when Klimmer is 76. That's physical age mind you.
Women get smart at age 11. Men lose whatever smarts they were born with at age 11. As a result there is no way to match a couple intellectually, thus explaining the 50% divorce rate and the population problem.
(Extended applause.)
Thank you. Thank you. My unified theory to explain two dilemmas, each a million years old, is not really that much. I do this much and more each day before breakfast. But thank you anyway.
Edit:
Hard to believe but Klimmer has another ark on the moon thread going.
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Gene
climber
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Oct 14, 2013 - 07:42pm PT
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And I thought I was good at math.
g
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doughnutnational
Gym climber
its nice here in the spring
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Oct 14, 2013 - 07:57pm PT
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Between this, your religious ramblings and the arc on the moon I'm pretty glad you never taught my daughter.
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Gene
climber
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Oct 14, 2013 - 08:04pm PT
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We are both Messianic believers. She loves and serves HaShem.
I've had the pleasure of doing some fun activities in group settings with her, surfing and climbing.
Are you her youth pastor?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 14, 2013 - 08:38pm PT
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Hey, Klim, best of luck with your life choices but, seriously, what led
you to think you would get meaningful answers here?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Oct 14, 2013 - 08:42pm PT
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He's not looking for advice. He's bragging, and delusional.
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Leggs
Sport climber
Tucson, AZ
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Oct 14, 2013 - 08:47pm PT
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+10, Gene.
He's not looking for advice. He's bragging, and delusional.
NO!!!! *no.... no. I refuse to believe it*
;)
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okie
Trad climber
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Oct 14, 2013 - 09:40pm PT
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Locker nailed it: "daddy issues." Enjoy.
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Edge
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Oct 14, 2013 - 09:52pm PT
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Lots to consider in this thread. My first wife and I have a July-November romance (those are our birth months); we are still married, but technically she is my first wife. She hates when I call her that. Heh.
She is 4 1/3 years my senior, and now I am thinking "when I am 86, do I really want to be saddled with a 90 year old?" I mean, I may want to find someone closer to my own age to race wheelchairs with and help me throw water balloons out the bus windows at people with body piercings. Maybe locate some 80-something chica with a similar jawline so we can keep expenses down by sharing the false teeth.
Then again, I love my first wife. I suppose I'll sack up and find a way to make it work.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Oct 14, 2013 - 09:53pm PT
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Daphne brought up several great points. They made me recollect something I promised myself when my husband died. I made myself a two year rule. I would need to know someone a minumum of two years before I would even consider marriage again.
The heart and the hormones can overwhelm reality. Reality is making sure you have enough in common for the relationship to last. It takes at least two years to really get to know someone.....actually, more like 5.
What's the rush Dude? If she loves you, really loves you and your life and everyone in your life she will still be there in two short years.
Let patience have it's perfect work......Lynne
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 14, 2013 - 10:13pm PT
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My professional opinion? I'd say that this is your body saying "I am ready" and the strength of the chemistry is over-riding your pre-frontal cortex. Wait until your divorce is final and you've had a while on your own without distraction before you open up to finding your mate.
Excellent advice.
That makes complete sense. Not what any lovestruck fool wants to hear though!
But, yeah, that's what I ended up doing and I had a break up 6 months later worse in many ways than the divorce.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 14, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
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"Oct 14, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
The rule of age in dating/hookup/marriage is the following: half your age plus seven years... so at 51 you have 25.5 plus 7 or 32.5 The cutoff line for 51 is 32.5. Anyone over 32.5 years is fair game anyone younger is trouble."
So if I wait until I'm 65 and she's 39.5 according to the the formula, we can then marry even though we'll be 25 years apart still (65 - 40 = 25). So I just have to wait for the half plus 7 rule to kick into effect. Cool. Lol.
Guys and girls I'm just thinking out loud.
I've been separated 2.5 yrs. I've known this beautiful 26 yr. old woman from the synagogue for 1.5 yrs. Eyes have locked many times and hearts beat faster and she seems to always blush when we talk. I really like talking with her. I don't look my age. People often guess 40. I have my full head of hair and growing it out some. A little grey is easily dyed to natural colors. Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp length like. And I certainly don't act my age.
She knows my daughter. In fact she is the middle school Shabbat teacher for my daughters class. She's going into education to be a credentialed teacher. She's going to be a great teacher. She looks exactly like my daughters older sister. When they first met they hit it off immediately and called each of sisters. Pretty cool really. But the difference is still apparent when you look close.
It's funny how controversial this May-Dec couple thing is. It really comes down to the the two people involved. They're the ones who can only really make the decision. No one else can.
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Phantom X
Trad climber
Honeycomb Hideout
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Oct 14, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
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Bigfoot sought out a yearling when he was in his fourties and it has worked out fine! He calls it "Going for the groceries".
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Oct 14, 2013 - 10:48pm PT
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Dingus Milktoast, EOD is, yeah, end of day. But almost no one lives in a vacumn. In this case Klimmer has children he is responsible for. He's smoking powerful drug if he thinks this will work without hurt.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 14, 2013 - 10:59pm PT
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"In this case Klimmer has children he is responsible for. He's smoking powerful drug if he thinks this will work without hurt."
My children know divorce isn't what I wanted. I didn't ask for it nor ever did I consider it. They know I didn't make this happen. I've resisted for some time. But in the end it's what she wants. Rabbi Shaul (Paul) says to let her go if she wants to go. And he got it straight from Yeshua.
But then ...
"It's not good for man to be alone." -- HaShem, Book of Genesis.
My children want me to be happy. They like her a lot.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 14, 2013 - 11:10pm PT
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I'm speculating. But if we did get together and marry, people would automatically assume she's my daughter's and my son's birth mother. Really.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 14, 2013 - 11:35pm PT
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So Cragman,
Are all these couples sick and twisted? Or just me?
18 of Hollywood's Hit and Miss May-December Marriages
7:46 PM PST 11/17/2011 by Sophie Schillaci, Chris Godley, Michael O'Connell
On the heels of Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore divorce announcement, THR looks back at the couples with famously wide age gaps -- including the duos still making it work (Annette Bening and Warren Beatty) and the couples who just couldn't cut it (Billy Joel and Katie Lee).
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/gallery/demi-moore-ashton-kutcher-may-december-263213#1-ashton-kutcher-demi-moore
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Oct 14, 2013 - 11:45pm PT
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Wow. Cragman is in rare form tonight. The love of jesus just shines through in every post.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 14, 2013 - 11:48pm PT
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Yes,I know many on ST can't handle deep and controversial topics. It's just to scary to consider.
BOOOOOOOO!
But some people can. I appreciate them. And they don't get rude or call others names. They can just talk the topic without ad hominem attacks. ST needs more climbers like that.
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Oct 14, 2013 - 11:54pm PT
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So, how did Jesus feel about pious as#@&%es?
Seriously, Cragman, you are acting like a dick to Klimmer.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 14, 2013 - 11:59pm PT
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Tell me where the theology is wrong Cragman.
The Jews are Jewish. The Good Book is Jewish. Jesus, Yeshua HaMashiach is Jewish. The disciples are Jewish. The first "churches" were Messianic Synagogues, filled with Torah observant Messianic Jews. Yeshua didn't come to start a new religion, but Judaism with HaMashiach (the Messiah).
Do you know the truth of Genesis 6? Or do you bury your head in the sand?
If you knew the Good Book, you would know its filled with May-December love stories and marriages.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 15, 2013 - 12:05am PT
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If you knew the Good Book, you would know its filled with May-December love stories and marriages.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Oct 15, 2013 - 12:07am PT
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Jesus didn't suffer fools either....he let them know when they were being foolish.
Lo, he said unto them 'if ye don't like it, pound sand.'
this aint 'rare form,' it's the normal dick headed hypocrisy and rudeness that Jesus wouldn't suffer.
Halleluya
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Oct 15, 2013 - 12:07am PT
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Likewise. It is a public forum and I am just pointing out that you are being rude and a hypocrite. I also think it is really interesting how you hide behind jesus when you're a dick.
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Daphne
Trad climber
Northern California
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Oct 15, 2013 - 12:18am PT
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Um, about the may/dec in the Bible: It isn't that long since women were traded away in marriage. Women were seen as chattel. They still are, in some places in the world. Lovely that some of those arranged marriages resulted in true love, but I am pretty sure most of them were just solid agreements for raising children and earning a living.
edit: and I think all those bible stories start with the old guy desiring the young woman first
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SalNichols
Big Wall climber
Richmond, CA
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Oct 15, 2013 - 12:24am PT
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Being Portuguese, if she were my daughter and I found out that you were talking about her on the Interweb, I'd personally track your worthless ass down and relieve you of your oh so tiny testicles.
I have no problem with age disparate relationships. I have a hell of a problem with wankers. I don't even know who you are, but you're an unlikeable fake. Seriously, who goes to an Internet forum for relationship advice unless they're just trying to stroke themselves. And stuff your biblical bullsh#t. There are people who use the bible to justify all kinds of bulls*t crimes.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 15, 2013 - 01:20am PT
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Sal,
Sorry you're losing it. I've said only good things and praise about her. And I've never mentioned her name nor will I. Have you ever read a true love story? Gee, they're public for all to see and read.
Age Gap in Marriage (A Biblical perspective)
http://www.nccg.org/629Art-AgeGap.html
"In biblical times, the convention was that men marry at around 30 and women when they reached puberty. Today, because of the secular culture, things are very different. On balance, men and women will tend to seek mates who are of around the same age, the convention usually being that the men are a little older than the women. However, there will always be exceptions that are not only honourable but blessed of heaven, as we see in the examples of Ruth and Boaz who were the ancestors of Joseph and Mary, and of a similar age difference, and who brought forth the Saviour of the World. And what Elohim (God) has brought together, let not man tear asunder in either attitude or in deed."
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SalNichols
Big Wall climber
Richmond, CA
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Oct 15, 2013 - 01:31am PT
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You're a bloody nutcase. Personally, I hope she cleans out your wallet and dumps your dumb ass.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Oct 15, 2013 - 01:40am PT
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I hope she cleans out your wallet and dumps your dumb ass.
is that the 'Portuguese," way, that what you'd teach your daughter Sal?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 15, 2013 - 01:50am PT
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http://www.nccg.org/629Art-AgeGap.html
Age Gap in Marriage
"Age-gap marriages have both advantages and disadvantages. The chief disadvantage is, of course, that the older husband will die long before the younger one, leaving her a widow. And in the less common example of an older wife, there is less chance of having children. By far the more common of the two is the older husband and younger wife coupling. With what advantages do the respective parties view such an arrangement (aside from the carnal ones of more sex or more money, which common sense alone ought to warn the believer to avoid)? According to research, older men prefer younger women not necessarily because they are more sexually attractive but because they are more mouldable, and younger women preferred older men because they were more intellectually stimulating, more emotionally sympathetic and spiritually maturer.
According to a recent article by Kate Devlin on the physical and health aspects of marriage in the British newspaper, The Telegraph (May 19-25 2010, #982, p.8) entitled, The Cougar Effect: Marry Toy Boy, Die Young, citing a Danish sociologist, Sven Drefahl of the Max Planck Institute for Demographic Research in Rostock, Germany, who used statistics on two million Danish couples, an older woman settling down with a younger man has a 20% reduced life expectancy whereas men who marry younger women tend to live much longer."
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Deekaid
climber
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Oct 15, 2013 - 01:50am PT
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klimmer sounds dreamy.
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John M
climber
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Oct 15, 2013 - 01:55am PT
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. You aren't seeking God's will. You are asking advice on an internet forum to entertain yourself.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Oct 15, 2013 - 02:28am PT
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If you'll eventually fit into the rule of one half plus seven years (at 65) then why not go ahead. And don't listen to the haters on this thread. Though I don't usually agree with you, I respect your honesty and the decency of your responses unlike so many at the super t. Go for it.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 15, 2013 - 02:32am PT
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The Wife got on SuperTopo and asked me if there was anything good. I said, "No, it's been
really lame lately." Then she found this thread and the chuckles started.
"This is like reading one of those British tabloids."
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SalNichols
Big Wall climber
Richmond, CA
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Oct 15, 2013 - 03:11am PT
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@wade, if the idea of some old creepy dude buying a Brazilian bride doesn't set off your red flags, then ignore the guy with the gun standing behind you at the ATM. The worst part of it is his coming to a forum to stroke himself, apparently with Gods blessing.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 15, 2013 - 09:21am PT
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Oct 14, 2013 - 11:32pm PT
The Wife got on SuperTopo and asked me if there was anything good. I said, "No, it's been
really lame lately." Then she found this thread and the chuckles started.
"This is like reading one of those British tabloids."
Ive had the same reaction and I started the thread. Lol.
It's pretty interesting to hear everyone's opinion on this May-Dec matter. It's seems like there aren't any fence sitters. You're either on one side of the fence or the other.
We have the camp of ... Go For It! Enjoy love. Blessings. (I defer to this group. And knowing the circumstances I think HaShem is pulling strings in this direction.)
As a well known Jew said, "Coincidences are G-d's way of staying anonymous." -- Einstein
And then the other camp ... You are a sick perverted creeper, and she should take all your money after she leaves your butt. Then check into a mental institute.
ROTFL
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Deekaid
climber
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Oct 15, 2013 - 10:20am PT
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Please explain the "ish" part of OTish because I don't see it. My first post has proved out.
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 15, 2013 - 10:32am PT
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Everyone on this thread has had far more relationship failures than successes. If you do everything right you'll have likely have failure after failure after failure followed by one shining success.
So even the best among us are losers. :-)
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Oct 15, 2013 - 10:38am PT
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If you know the Good Book You can find a passage to quote, out of context, to support almost any viewpoint
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Deekaid
climber
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Oct 15, 2013 - 10:43am PT
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This guy "klimmer" is always a huge troll and always way OT so he deserves it but Oh man, Dave Kos you're brutal
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 15, 2013 - 10:46am PT
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Pagan advice. Can't do that.
Yet you draw "interesting" conclusions based on Hollywood couples, ask for marriage advice here, and are getting a divorce? You clearly have a ton of work to do on yourself, regardless of any calendar months.
Holy pathetic!
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Deekaid
climber
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Oct 15, 2013 - 10:58am PT
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Comparing himself with movie stars and sh#t like those lives are in any way our reality is pretty kooky
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 15, 2013 - 11:47am PT
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Loker, Klimmer's smart enough to get a Pre-fuk agreement.
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scuffy b
climber
heading slowly NNW
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Oct 15, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
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"A little grey is easily dyed to natural colors."
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 15, 2013 - 12:53pm PT
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I knew this May-Dec topic would be controversial. I knew I'd get poop thrown at me. But it's still an interesting tabloidish thread. Lol.
Not comparing myself to stars in Hollywood, just using them as examples of May-Dec relationships and marriage.
Not ever gonna post a picture of her. No way.
She is very pretty though, and slender like me. She literally floats up climbs. I knew she would be a good rock climber having witnessed her climb a large tree at the beach and just float it with no reservation and in full control and no fear of exposure. I climbed up to her and we talked for a while in the tree. I was smitten. On real rock she's a natural. Some people are just genetically gifted and are just good climbers and naturals from the very beginning. She has perfect strength to weight ratio.
That's why it's sorta OTish. I like her a lot and she's gonna be a very good climber! Already dreaming of some fun long climbs to take her up. :-)
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John M
climber
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Oct 15, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
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But it's still an interesting tabloidish thread. Lol.
yes.. just how God would want you to treat your potential future wife. Make her the subject of a tabloid like thread just so you can be entertained. You knew that it would turn out this way, and yet you still did it. You don't want anyone's opinion, you just want to show off your possibly future trophy wife. Hey.. look at me.. I can attract a very young attractive women. And so I can pretend that that isn't what I am doing, I will put it into the context of asking a question.
Using Hollywood as a defense? really ????
May Dec.. can be very iffy. I wouldn't be able to judge until I met both of you. But what you are doing isn't asking for discernment. It is showing off and wanting to be entertained.
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Anastasia
climber
Home
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Oct 15, 2013 - 01:04pm PT
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paul roehl,
I like your math, it sounds solid.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 15, 2013 - 01:27pm PT
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John M.,
Not my intentions at all. I'm not bragging. I do want to know what people think. It is interesting. I haven't shared her name or picture and I won't. I'm not stupid.
Thanks for the pop psychology, but you're wrong. Ive only honored her, and have talked about her positively. Others though have taken it else-where. I've tried to redirect it many times to the original post. I haven't called anyone names or belittled them. Only asking questions. Things to think about. And what do you really think? Yes I knew it would be controversial.
Heck everything on ST turns into an argument or debate. I expect it. I could say its sunny outside and someone would throw poop at me here at ST. Lol. But even among the poop, there are diamonds. You just have to look for it.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 15, 2013 - 01:31pm PT
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"post up a photo
Then we can provide more insights into your dilemma"
No sh#t....if you're gonna troll us with this bullsh#t, at least do it properly.
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John M
climber
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Oct 15, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
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Adios Klimmer. Go with God.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Oct 15, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
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everything on ST turns into an argument or debate.
Not really. Maybe the threads you involve yourself in , but that is not my experience.
"As you sow, so shall you reap." Claim what you will, but the proof lies in the fruits of your endeavors.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 15, 2013 - 03:02pm PT
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You guys are good.
Man you found her, and me standing in the background. Holy mackerel !!!
Lol.
(Try not to really do this. Not nice, appropriate, kind, or right. I've never deleted a thread. But those kind of antics will make me do so.)
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Deekaid
climber
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Oct 15, 2013 - 03:08pm PT
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promise?
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Oct 15, 2013 - 03:28pm PT
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You should delete this thread and end the conversation. IMHO, that photo crossed a line.
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plasticmullet
climber
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Oct 15, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
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And what line would that be Mr. Self Righteous?
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Oct 15, 2013 - 03:39pm PT
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^^^????
That's locker's least offensive post i've ever seen.
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Anastasia
climber
Home
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Oct 15, 2013 - 03:59pm PT
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I agree Port. That was super mild...
If you feel threatened Klimmer, you better rethink what you are doing. The reason I say this is that if you are on the the right path nothing should be able to threaten your journey. Then again if you are on the wrong path, that makes everything shaky, weird, and volatile.
Seriously, take a step back and have a few deep thoughts.
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
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Oct 15, 2013 - 06:31pm PT
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It is real obvious what head you're thinking with.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Oct 15, 2013 - 06:41pm PT
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Wrap your weenie in tinfoil, you are not thinking clearly!!
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 15, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
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Wrap your weenie in tinfoil
That can be fun!
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Oct 15, 2013 - 07:23pm PT
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Yeah, Klimmer if you were expecting serious here, you were probably dreaming a bit. For instance, I've found this picture of you and your beloved:
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Deekaid
climber
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Oct 15, 2013 - 08:19pm PT
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holy s*** I was way off now I get it
Dave Kos post went right over my head
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Oct 15, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
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Unless you're suicidal when you think of being alone for a while, be alone for a while.
And if you're suicidal, seek help.
Spend some time by yourself man, what you think are your priorities right now may be very different after you've finally put your divorce to bed, so to speak.
I'm watching it happen with my dad right now. In the last year since the divorce was finalized I've watched him try to jump back into a relationship (understandable, but not the best idea), and then focus on himself until now, because he's met a really great woman. I saw the progression, and it is a healthy one.
Give it some time dude.
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Gene
climber
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Oct 15, 2013 - 08:31pm PT
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Brandon is wise.
Klimmer,
If a 25 year age difference is no biggie, do you think that you could find lasting happiness with a 76 year old woman who floats up trees and rocks, and likes the beach?
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Oct 15, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
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GENE! Bingo....+10000
Oh yeah, bingo....
Susan
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Oct 15, 2013 - 08:40pm PT
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Oh the drama! Hahahahaah
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 15, 2013 - 08:55pm PT
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^Up thread^
Jokes and silly pictures are one thing. But if someone were to seek out real images and post them revealing true identities then that is a real no-no. That has happened on ST here before. That is really bordering on the criminal in my opinion. That's what I'm referring too.
The above picture was not her or me, if it wasn't obvious. Lol.
I didn't come here to seek marriage advice. Just what do you think of May-December relationships or marriages.
Apparently you all have a lot to say about it. Some have an over abundance of opinion concerning the issue. Did I hit a nerve or what?
And what's up with the suicide talk? Where'd that come from?
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Oct 15, 2013 - 09:08pm PT
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Sorry Klimmer, it's not about u anymore. This thread has taken on a life of its own.
Edit-^^^ sully lol! See what I mean!
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Oct 15, 2013 - 09:27pm PT
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And what's up with the suicide talk? Where'd that come from?
Reading comprehension helps in this case, Klimmer. I was being especially nice.
Good luck however it works out.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Oct 15, 2013 - 09:35pm PT
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Thanks for the laugh Sullly.
I needed that.
(As if this thread weren't enough of a joke already).
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 16, 2013 - 01:13am PT
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I just reread the whole thread. There's some real funny classic stuff here, but then also some good advice and interesting opinions. It's a keeper.
I know some students like her!!! Lol.
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SalNichols
Big Wall climber
Richmond, CA
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Oct 16, 2013 - 05:25am PT
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I hope that a dog bites you, just because you're an attention whore.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Oct 16, 2013 - 09:28am PT
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I hope that a dog bites you, just because you're an attention whore.
I am the LAST person to defend Klimmer, but common. At least he's entertaining. Just about half super taco is a goddamn primadanna.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 16, 2013 - 09:31am PT
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Those of you who go after someone with harsh unkind mean words and even so publicly here on ST (or where-ever) and don't have anything good to say, and constantly attack, you better take heed ...
Matthew 12:34
"O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh." --Yeshua
King James Version (Pure Cambridge 'Authorized Version')
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Oct 16, 2013 - 09:53am PT
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It's got nothing to do with your imaginary god klimmer, it's about being a decent human being.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Oct 16, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
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DMT for the win!
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Oct 16, 2013 - 12:48pm PT
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can she fly the ark off the moon?
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Oct 16, 2013 - 12:50pm PT
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I think DMT & burchey are now trolling klimmer by pumping his tires about what a good little troll he is. Diabolical!
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Oct 16, 2013 - 01:24pm PT
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trolling online is easy, it's like coming in 1st in the special olympics..
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Crazy Bat
Sport climber
Birmingham, AL & Seweanee, TN
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Oct 16, 2013 - 01:47pm PT
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Thirty years ago go I met a couple, 30 and 60, They are still together, even though she is a nursing home.
A wise woman once told me that all relationships are just a series of moments, even marrages.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 19, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
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Promise I'm not a troll.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Oct 19, 2013 - 11:25pm PT
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If she believes there is an ark on the moon then marry her and never look back.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 20, 2013 - 12:16am PT
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Oct 19, 2013 - 08:25pm PT
If she believes there is an ark on the moon then marry her and never look back.
She knows the truth. She knows YHVH, Yeshua HaMashiach, and The Ruach HaKodesh: The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. She also knows who Satan is and how far he will go to trick, fool, deceive, and pull people down and away from HaShem. She has had very special personal experiences. She doesn't just believe, she knows personally the truth.
With Satan, it's his last ditch effort to get back at Hashem and to try and hurt G-d, to pull mankind away from HaShem whom he loves so much that he gave his life to save all of mankind if they just believe and accept his free gift.
NASA has already proven my point. They just don't wish to discuss it. Look at how climbers here on ST wig-out over it. And climbers on the whole are pretty intelligent and willing to take risks. Perhaps the general public just isn't ready for full disclosure yet. I think those in the know aren't really ready for full disclosure yet. They really don't know who they are dealing with and the depths of deceit Satan (aka Lucifer) is willing to go to fool the masses. Yeshua in "The Good Book" warned us of this time and "the great deception" near the end. Don't be fooled.
http://www.midnightcry.net/The%20Coming%20Deception.htm
http://www.rapturenotes.com/myfavouritemartian.html
Some good points but from a Catholic point of view:
UFO's: Part of the Great End Times Deception…
http://www.tldm.org/news5/ufos.htm
Stereo pair panoramas:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS15-P-9625
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS15-P-9630
"The Massive Ark, or Mothership on the backside of the Moon is still there!
Many more official NASA images from AS15. So how many stereo-pairs can I make from all of these images? Lol."
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS15/M/1036.jpg
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS15/M/1037.jpg
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS15/M/1038.jpg
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS15/M/1039.jpg
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS15/M/1040.jpg
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS15/M/1041.jpg
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS15/M/1332.jpg
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS15/M/1333.jpg
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS15/M/1334.jpg
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS15/M/1335.jpg
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS15/M/1336.jpg
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS15/M/1337.jpg
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS15/M/1338.jpg
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS15/M/1339.jpg
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MisterE
climber
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Oct 20, 2013 - 12:23am PT
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Anyone ever ask the obvious question?
The elephant in the room with klimmer?
Not a fukking one of us knows what kind
of relationship this freakshow needs.
Can we get on with our regular de-programming now?
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middle joe
Trad climber
OC
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Oct 20, 2013 - 02:18am PT
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Enjoy! (while you've got it)
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jgill
Boulder climber
Colorado
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Oct 20, 2013 - 05:48pm PT
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I can't find the Arc. Are you sure it's there?
;>(
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Oct 20, 2013 - 05:50pm PT
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The elephant in the room with klimmer?
Not a fukking one of us knows what kind
of relationship this freakshow needs.
LOL! Too true!
BTW Kilmmer, I think the Arc has its cloaking device engaged. I cannot find it in any of the pics.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Oct 20, 2013 - 05:57pm PT
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Maybe you just haven't proven yourself enough yet to be blessed with the correct vision.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 16, 2015 - 05:54pm PT
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Ok, it's been awhile since I last ruffled feathers ...
Time to continue the discussion and stoke the fire of controversy.
So if you've been spurned by a woman, divorced, or getting divorced and you did all you could to hang on, to stay together, but she still wants to go and leave the marriage and you didn't do anything worthy of divorce, perhaps she's just going through menopause and now she doesn't want sex, hates men, she raised you and your kids, now she just wants "me time" ...
Read the Book: The Female Brain
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0767920104/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1437094894&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SY200_QL40&keywords=the+female+brain&dpPl=1&dpID=51tKTrr%2BgaL&ref=plSrch
Well, good news. As long as you are abiding by 1 Corinthians 7 in the Good Book, and she still wants to leave you, dump you, and there is no changing her mind ... To keep the peace you must let her go.
However, you have a second chance to get it right ...
Marrying a Younger Woman Helps Men Live Longer
http://www.healthguidance.org/entry/14317/1/Marrying-a-Younger-Woman-Helps-Men-Live-Longer.html
10 Benefits of Marrying an Older Man
http://www.futurescopes.com/age-gap-dating/2412/10-advantages-marrying-older-man
Very Wealthy Men Marry Much Younger Women
Wealthy men equal young brides
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/homo-consumericus/201306/very-wealthy-men-marry-much-younger-women
Mind the Gap
A defense of "May-December" marriages like Hugh Hefner's
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2010/12/dont_mind_the_gap.html
Age Gap in Marriage: a Biblical Perspective
By Edmond Ng
http://www.nccg.org/629Art-AgeGap.html
Biblical Gender Roles: peace comes by living the way our creator designed us to live ...
The Biological Case for Polygamy and marriage of Young Women
http://biblicalgenderroles.com/2014/08/21/the-biological-case-for-polygyny-and-marriage-of-young-women/
http://biblicalgenderroles.com/2014/08/23/the-biological-case-for-polygyny-and-marriage-of-young-women-part-2/
(You'll have to read it to know he isn't advocating Polygamy in our day)
Maybe there is something to G-d's plan and design for an older man to be with a younger woman. The benefits are many and perhaps it really does work better ...
*The fact that being married to a younger woman helps your health and you live longer
*Many benefits for both the December man and the May woman in the relationship
*A woman's sexual reproductive prime is very early in her life, and men can produce fresh new sperm every 24 hours well into old age
*Many Biblical examples of famous May-December Marriages and love affairs with the man much older
Maybe listening to G-d's plan is best? I think so. What do you think?
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Gene
climber
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Jul 16, 2015 - 07:06pm PT
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Will you two be equally yucked..yolked...yoked?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jul 16, 2015 - 07:15pm PT
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Wow. Back for more abuse?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 16, 2015 - 07:33pm PT
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Think of it from a purely biological and provisional sense:
* a women's optimal fertility time is from puberty to her late 20's
* a man can produce healthy sperm to old age as long as he takes care of himself, eats healthy, exercises regularly, doesn't do drugs, takes good supplements (vitamins), tries to stay as young as possible by staying active (like keep climbing, skiing, surfing, etc etc)
* women are naturally attracted to older men. Just ask any teen to 20 something year old what male actors are good looking and attractive. (My daughter has a crush on Johnny Depp and he's my age). That kind of natural desire is never gonna change.
* men are attracted to beautiful young women in their fertile prime. That natural desire is never gonna change.
* women want love, good-looks, security: physically and economically, experience both worldly and sexually, wisdom, maturity, and a man who can commit. All leads to true love and respect.
* the right older man can provide all of that and more.
The people who are butt hurt about the above are young men (boys) and older women. They are the ones who whine and complain about May-December relationships. Why would that be? Jealousy? Envy?
May-December relationships and marriage is a truth of history. I think it's the more natural order of things and the way it was meant to be.
Not only are they funny but there is some truth to the DosXX commercials. Younger women are drawn to older men and older men are drawn to younger women. Look at all the James Bond movies. Bingo. Why are they so popular? It's a stereotype but there is lots of truth to it.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 16, 2015 - 07:58pm PT
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It's true. But not for the reasons you think.
*Young men are inexperienced. Virgins in the bedroom. They want experience. They want a teacher. Voila older women step on up.
*Older women want to loved again and experience being desired again. The looks are fading fast and so is the body. However, she knows all she has to do is say yes, and a young boy who will hump anything steps up to learn. Even missionary is gonna be exciting for him!
But once the young man has his fill and got his experience he's gone.
Mrs. Robinson is now all alone once again. Maybe she shouldn't have kicked her husband to the curb and been more willing to satisfy her husband in new and very interesting ways? Maybe she thought the grass was greener on the other side only to be left alone in the end? Maybe the 2nd or 3rd waves of Feminism are really its own worst enemy?
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Jul 16, 2015 - 08:03pm PT
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Klimmer...you are one courageous guy to bring this up here. :) But then you've never been one to hold back.
I do notice that the only women that turn my eye are half my age. lol I'm sixty. My daughter says that's creepy. ha There was some formula for a happy marriage I used to hear... half the man's age plus seven. Sounds about right to me.
Anyway Its been a year and a half since your first post. You mean you still haven't made up your mind?
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Jul 16, 2015 - 08:05pm PT
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Just don't bring up that "ark on the Moon" thing, and you are good to go! Unless she's into that sort of thing of course.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 16, 2015 - 08:12pm PT
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I've been posting just not as much. Life is busy. But I check in.
Divorce still in motion. Coming to an end though. When money and property are involved it can take a looooong time.
Everyone should watch the movie:
DivorceCorp
http://www.divorcecorp.com
I'm living it.
However, the young ladies flirt and I don't mind :-)
They know my situation. I'm lining up prospects. I have to be single and fully divorced first. I have several I'd like to ask out. Time will tell. Patience. I'm learning a lot of patience.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab or In What Time Zone Am I?
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Jul 16, 2015 - 08:39pm PT
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I'm learning a lot of patience
Ummm...why do I think that you will really need that?
Susan
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Gary
Social climber
From A Buick 6
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Jul 16, 2015 - 08:54pm PT
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I first became aware of it during the physical act of love.
Yes,a profound sense of fatigue... a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence.
I can assure you it has not recurred.
Women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, but I do deny them my essence.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 16, 2015 - 10:01pm PT
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It's very individual. The better a man cares for his health the better the quality of their sperm. Yes quality and health of sperm can diminish with the age of a man. But by taking better care of their health it can also be improved. Many older men give birth to healthy children. The chances of complications does increase with age but not radically. Men have had healthy children into their 90s.
That really doesn't happen for women, unless you're talking about the miracle of Sarah giving birth to Isaac in the Bible.
The same can be said for young men and the health of their sperm. Look at how many young couples have problems conceiving. Maybe the temperature down there is too high, or bad nutrition, or poor health.
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Daphne
Trad climber
Northern California
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Jul 16, 2015 - 10:16pm PT
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Hahahaha
Sorry, delusion has that effect on me
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Karen
Trad climber
Casper, Wyoming
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Jul 17, 2015 - 05:33am PT
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It is flat out selfish to have a child when you are old. You'll be dead when the child is still young and will never be a Grand parent. Trust me I know. My father and mother were older and now everyone is dead in my family. My Dad died when I was a teenager.
No way should people have kids when old!!!!!!!
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Karen
Trad climber
Casper, Wyoming
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Jul 17, 2015 - 05:59am PT
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My boyfriend is quite a bit older than and I don't mind what so ever, but we are both past child bearing years so It is a non-issue regarding having kids.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jul 17, 2015 - 06:15am PT
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I think it ain't nobody's business but their own.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Jul 17, 2015 - 06:40am PT
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Pathetic stale old guys. Older woman are too smart for you?
On the way to work there is a sign that says "Free Manure", plenty of that here.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 17, 2015 - 07:56am PT
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Klimmer, I hope you two are happy.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Jul 17, 2015 - 10:14am PT
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Ladies, please remember that you chose older dudes from the beginning. You're more mature than us, remember?
"Don't hate the player. Hate the game, Baby!" - bootsy collins
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jul 17, 2015 - 10:34am PT
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Sperm that "isn't as good" is often best for many occasions, regardless the age.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Jul 17, 2015 - 12:16pm PT
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These kind of difficult decisions are exactly why I got into pimpin' in my old age. Now my bottom bitch can discipline all the other young 'uns in my stable when they start to fight and try to go rogue. I only get called in if they really need a whuppin'.
More time for me to spend at the gym and in front of the TV.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Jul 17, 2015 - 12:20pm PT
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This is a topic best left to those involved in the relationship. The May-December relationships were once the norm in Eastern Europe. I enjoy having lovely younger companionship...
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jul 17, 2015 - 12:31pm PT
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FACT: Sperm from an old guy isnt as good as sperm from a young guy.
FACT: Sex from an old woman isnt as good as sex from a young woman.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
Bishop,CA
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Jul 17, 2015 - 12:33pm PT
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^^^^^^ you know nothing.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Jul 17, 2015 - 12:41pm PT
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If you are shooting blanks, the gun goes "click, click" no matter what your age.
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looks easy from here
climber
Ben Lomond, CA
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Jul 17, 2015 - 12:47pm PT
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Waitwaitwait. As a rule I stay out of these types of threads, but are you really citing BEER COMMERCIALS and JAMES BOND MOVIES as evidence that younger women lust after older men? You realize that both of those things are targeted at and playing off of men's fantasies, not women's fantasies, right?
Edit: Fwiw, I don't care, as long as both parties are happy. But using those as evidence seems like a pretty pathetic attempt at justification.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Jul 17, 2015 - 01:06pm PT
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I still don't know what I wanna' be when I finally grow up...
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Chris Roderick
climber
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Jul 17, 2015 - 01:45pm PT
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All that nonsense two years ago and you never even banged her !? Good lord, you really are delusional.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Jul 17, 2015 - 01:50pm PT
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To quote Oscar Wilde: "Celibacy is the most unusual of all perversions.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 17, 2015 - 02:43pm PT
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"Jul 17, 2015 - 12:47pm PT
Waitwaitwait. As a rule I stay out of these types of threads, but are you really citing BEER COMMERCIALS and JAMES BOND MOVIES as evidence that younger women lust after older men? You realize that both of those things are targeted at and playing off of men's fantasies, not women's fantasies, right?
Edit: Fwiw, I don't care, as long as both parties are happy. But using those as evidence seems like a pretty pathetic attempt at justification."
Hey, it was a fun related distraction and an obvious stereotype. But as you know all stereotypes have a seed of truth to them. Lol
I would say yes, men's fantasies for sure, but also women's fantasies. I know plenty of young women, teenagers who have fantasies about older men, famous actors with money, and good looks. They pretty much all have their favorite fantasies. My 15 year old daughter certainly does -- Johnny Depp. She asked, "Would you let me marry him?"
I said, "I would let you go out with him on a date. But we know it's not gonna happen so I don't have to worry about it. Lol"
I always bust up laughing at the DosXX commercials. They're brilliant. And I have always enjoyed the James Bond movies. When was the first James Bond movie with his beautiful younger Swiss free diving love interest looking great in a bikini? "Dr. No," 1962 the year I was born. Very cool.
Edit: by the way, the next Bond goes for a much older Cougar.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 17, 2015 - 02:51pm PT
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It looks good. I put it in my Amazon wish list. Thanks :)
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jstan
climber
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Jul 17, 2015 - 03:08pm PT
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Sex is one of those subjects in which wishful thinking predominates. If there are any young
males out there who find the subject of interest, get yourself a microscope and see how sperm
degrades as you age. It is quite marked. Actually I have thought for some time it made sense to
cryopreserve semen at 18. You may be fairly successful in life, merit reproducing yourself, and
would like the chance to go out while watching your young child being amazed each day by what
they see around them. A hell of a send off. And fear not. Intelligent and vital young women will
sign up for such a task if their child gains security. Need to plan on putting the child through
graduate school though.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/06/060606-sperm-clock.html
Men Have Biological Clocks Too, Sperm Study Says
John Roach
for National Geographic News
June 6, 2006
Note to men: You've got a biological clock too, and it's ticking.
It's not just women who face decreased reproductive success with age. The genetic quality of
sperm deteriorates as men get older, according to a new study.
Starting in their 20s, men face steadily increasing chances of infertility, fathering an unsuccessful
pregnancy, and passing on to their children a genetic mutation that causes dwarfism, according
to the study.
The finding comes as more and more men are delaying fatherhood. Since 1980 U.S. birth rates
have increased up to 40 percent for men aged 35 to 49 and decreased up to 20 percent for men
under the age of 30, according to the research.
Studies have also shown that it takes longer for older men to conceive.
"We [now] know the probability for certain types of DNA damage goes up with age, and we can
give you a mathematical probability," said Andrew Wyrobek, a researcher at the Lawrence
Livermore National Laboratory in Livermore, California.
The higher the percentage of a man's sperm that has DNA damage, the less likely he will be able
to successfully father a healthy child, Wyrobek added.
Wyrobek is a co-lead author of the new study, which appears in today's issue of the journal
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
Researchers have long known that female fertility decreases with age. The longer women delay
reproduction, the greater their risk of miscarriage and giving birth to children with diseases such
as Down syndrome.
Female fertility abruptly ends with the onset of menopause.
"Our research suggests that men too have a biological time clock, only it is different," Brenda
Eskenzai, a study co-author at the University of California, Berkeley's School of Public Health,
said in a statement.
"Men seem to have a gradual rather than an abrupt change in fertility and in the potential ability
to produce viable healthy offspring."
In the study, Wyrobek, Eskenzai, and colleagues examined the genetic quality of sperm from 97
healthy, nonsmoking men between the ages of 22 and 80. The men were current and retired
employees of the Livermore laboratory.
The study sample included at least 15 men from each ten-year period from 20 to 60 years of
age and 25 men 60 to 80 years old.
In earlier research on the same sperm samples, the team found that sperm count, mobility, and
the ability of sperm to move in a straight line declines with age. The new research shows that
mobility has a high correlation with DNA fragmentation.
The new study also found that men face increased risk of fathering children with achondroplasia,
a genetic mutation that causes a form of dwarfism.
The condition stunts bone growth; affected individuals have short arms and legs and grow to
only about 4 feet (1.2 meters) tall.
As women grow older, they are more likely to give birth to a baby with Down syndrome. Not so
for men, apparently.
However, the study found no general correlation among male age and chromosome changes that
cause Down syndrome.
Even so, 4 of the 97 men were at increased risk for transmitting multiple genetic and
chromosomal defects, according to the results. Age may have nothing to do with these subjects'
condition, though; one was in his 20s and three were over 60.
Interestingly, Wyrobek added, the sperm in the Lawrence Livermore sample showed no increase
with age in Apert syndrome, a disfiguring birth defect.
However, the likelihood of fathering a child with Apert increased with age in men from inner-city
Baltimore, Maryland, tested by researchers at the Johns Hopkins Medical Center for a different
study.
Wyrobek cautioned against reading too much into the Baltimore study group's results, since they
were all from men who lived in the same area.
"There're other things going on besides age. … It could be socioeconomic, or diet, or ethnicity."
Further studies, he added, will examine the Apert syndrome factor in greater detail.
Don't Panic
Craig Niederberger is a urologist at the University of Illinois in Chicago. He said the research
findings are interesting and warrant further study. But he cautioned that the technique used to
test the DNA of sperm is new and controversial.
"Older men should not yet be concerned about fathering children. The evidence is still
inconclusive," he said.
According to Niederberger, who is president of the Society for Male Reproduction and Urology,
researchers need to examine the integrity of sperm DNA with other methods before sounding
alarms about male infertility.
Nevertheless, he said, the finding that a genetic mutation that leads to dwarfism increases with
age is cause for "some concern. We ought to pursue it."
Wyrobek said the research raises more questions than answers. But it suggests certain kinds of
DNA damage and genetic defects go up with age.
Bottom line: "There are consequences of delaying fatherhood," he said.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 17, 2015 - 03:16pm PT
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The secret to attracting younger women is the ability to do hand stands ...
See, then she wants to do it too ...
I'm surprised the PUA community hasn't figured this out yet? Lol
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ladyscarlett
Trad climber
SF Bay Area, California
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Jul 17, 2015 - 03:50pm PT
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Anyone ever consider that sperm potency might not be an important factor for a younger girl/woman attracted to older guys?
You guys seems to think that a young(er) woman want a father for potential kids. That's a big assumption. I personally know of a respectable sub-section of women who are perfectly fine with guys who 'shoot blanks' and even be preferable.
I recall a short conversation with a GF
'I HATE birth control these days!!'
'If you only have sex only with men who have had vasectomies, you wouldn't have to worry about birth control. It doesn't mean there aren't other considerations, but you wouldn't have to be concerned about birth control.'
'That's brilliant! I mean BRILLIANT!!! Definitely going to adjust my dating checklist'
In an over-populated world, don't be surprised if women and men become less and less focused on procreation. Of course, you gotta be sure the chick or dude who says they don't want kids really means it...all the way through her reproductive life. That's the difficulty.
Also, if you want to attract the people who like a little experience in their relationships, don't hide that experience. Salt and Pepper is the sexiest hair color!
At the end of the day, it's really between the two people and what makes them happy.
What does this all mean?
That I need a pic with me and at least 5 salt and pepper hard core climber MEN...ALL IN LYCRA!!! (Silvers are welcome and encouraged as well!)
Cheers
LS
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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Jul 17, 2015 - 04:32pm PT
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Klimmer, you never cease to amaze, delight, and set some of the best hooks on supertopo...
seriously citing the bibble to argue that this is god's plan?..
and i just can't help but get pulled in by this beauty:
"(I) did all (I) could to hang on, to stay together, but she still wants to go and leave the marriage and (I) didn't do anything worthy of divorce"
uh... huh... i'm sure it has nothing to do with the passive-aggressive, judgemental, self-centred, bitter, angry, controlling emotional reality that results in the immediately following:
"perhaps she's just going through menopause and now she doesn't want sex, hates men, she raised you and your kids, now she just wants "me time""
good to know the m/d coupling you seek is due to god's plan and has nothing to do with [a lack of] age appropriate emotional maturity, self-awareness and responsibility...
thanks for the hard fought wisdom... /s
and best of luck with the next generation!
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Jul 17, 2015 - 04:48pm PT
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Re: those "little operations" that many wives insist their spouses submit to, in order to maintain "domestic harmony;" I did (submit to the insistence of my first wife), and had the big "V" done. It IS uncomfortable, but I guess that's all behind at this point in life. Call it my non-contribution to the gene pool. I had 2 healthy and bright children before, and that is good enough.
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TWP
Trad climber
Mancos, CO & Bend, OR
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Jul 17, 2015 - 05:01pm PT
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With passage of time, we can now tell that Kiimmer got to follow SLR's sage advice. Which was: "Screw the hell out of her while you can, but don't get married." And he's moved on to more young damsels than the original Mrs. Klimmer II - or so I construe the record. So, are congratulations in order to Klimmer for a job well done? And SLR for offering the advice that stood the test of time?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jul 17, 2015 - 05:28pm PT
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Bigamy is having one too many wives.
Marriage is the same.
Oscar Wilde
Just kidding, of course.
A 26-year old in this day and age isn't a fully grown adult, from what I can see. People change their world views many times in their 20's and 30's.
You might live together in love for decades. Or, as you grow to be 70, she'll be in her mid-40's and might...
Hmmm, I think I'm with DMT, go for it.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Jul 18, 2015 - 07:08am PT
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Klimmer-
Vasectomy does NOT equate to loss of manhood, and over age 50, I wouldn't advise having a second family; at least not unless you just want someone to care for you in your dotage. To enjoy children, you still need to be able to actively play with them--baseball, track-- the usual school related sports-- as well as the outdoor life.
Don't regard having relations outside marriage as "fornication," but as "experimental relationships." That is, after your divorce is finalized. If you are lucky, you will find a second love of your life; if not you will simply be...fukked...
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Jul 22, 2015 - 09:43am PT
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Lady Scarlet,
I'm more of a mid-August hey-day than a December and have viable swimmers, however, I've got some silver in my straw and have already fullfilled the biological imperative. Now, i've got no interest in joining a five-top of silverbacks but you're damn hot and I wouldn't mind being in the picture.So, in a word, " Heeeeeeeey!
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pb
Sport climber
Sonora Ca
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Jul 22, 2015 - 10:02am PT
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can we have pics of the tree climber now?
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ladyscarlett
Trad climber
SF Bay Area, California
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Jul 22, 2015 - 12:40pm PT
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Lady Scarlet,
I'm more of a mid-August hey-day than a December and have viable swimmers, however, I've got some silver in my straw and have already fullfilled the biological imperative. Now, i've got no interest in joining a five-top of silverbacks but you're damn hot and I wouldn't mind being in the picture.So, in a word, " Heeeeeeeey!
Heheh, so adorable!
have viable swimmers - just one is too many!
and
I've got some silver in my straw - some is not enough. Salt and pepper or silvers only qualify. Bald in special circumstances.
That being said Flip Flop, you can always dye your hair to give the false sense of experience! hee hee!
Cheers
LS
ps - I didn't say anything about silverbacks! Back hair, regardless of color should be waxed off! Or leave it on the OW....!
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Crazy Bat
Sport climber
Birmingham, AL & Seweanee, TN
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Jul 22, 2015 - 12:43pm PT
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I have not read all the posts in this string. My father remarried after his divorce from my mother. She was three momths younger than me. I was 40 at the time. Age was not the issue I had with her, but that is not germaine to this.
It sounds like this is just beginning. All my life I have been attracted to men older than me. The boys my age were the ones who bullied me. At 15 I dicovered caving and begain hanging with adults. I always had a bigger intelect tnan my age and in that crowd I was respected for it rather than ridiculled. Of course they were more attractive to me.
In your case, it would be natural for her to see herself married to an older man. It is called modeling. One of my biggest fears with my father's wifs was my own fear that they would have children. Talk to your kids, find out what they feel. Find out if she even wants kids.
Ive known several may december relationships. In both the guy still found her attractive in her 80's.
For me personally I no longer have motivation to remarry, unless I get preggers, but I'm a crone now so that isn't gonna happen. If children are not something she wants, as a practical thing, I'm not religious, I would say just live together. There is a lot less paperwork if it does not work out and simplifies things for your kids.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Is that a smile?
Experience? I have experience. I was born 9 months after the summer of love.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Apr 11, 2017 - 07:23am PT
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My spring fling sounds like Crazy Bat; smarter than her peers and keenly intellectual. She just turned 24 and I'll be 48 next month. It's really enjoyable. I'm not sure why she keeps coming around but I'm enjoying it for sure. She's whip-smart and going places. An honest to god co-housing community kid. I'll miss her when she leaves.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Apr 23, 2017 - 07:07am PT
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I'm thinking aloe is in order.
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