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Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 3, 2014 - 10:27pm PT
Can't we all just get along?

Rodney King, right after the police beat the crap out of him
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 3, 2014 - 10:31pm PT
Maybe Sketch was thinking Norton dissed on the ex President by calling him "Shrub", not Dubya?

Norton said:
"Shrub was asked if bothered to consult with his father, the only other President to invade Iraq, prior to his own invasion

His answer: NO

When asked why not, Shrub said he consulted "a higher power",
god, who told him it was ok to invade Iraq. Yes, Shrub's "world view" relied heavily on his having a "direct line to god", and definately influenced his "policies". And 4000 Americans died, and at minimum tens of thousands of
Iraqi civilians, along with millions fleeing Iraq. All because "god" told Shrub it was ok to invade Iraq."

Amen to that.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Mar 3, 2014 - 10:42pm PT
Appealing to a higher power is what many Americans have had to rely on for health care coverage for a long time.



(thread rerail)
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 3, 2014 - 11:41pm PT
Kos..Guess you're going to have to settle for the McDonalds happy meal...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 4, 2014 - 12:06am PT
For states without cranialrectumitis, this new health care system works out pretty well for us non-1%ers. States like Utah are another story.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Mar 4, 2014 - 01:03am PT
Apo I'm covered through mass
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 4, 2014 - 01:59am PT
Ummm....you don't mean....'Massachusetts', do you?
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Mar 4, 2014 - 05:55am PT
Haha oh god please mean Massachusetts.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Mar 4, 2014 - 08:10am PT
Good ole mass! The best state to offer coverage. I'm glad and very thankful
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 5, 2014 - 07:28pm PT
Don't they need congressional approval for this move? I am directly affected as the presidents earlier "I'll let you keep it for another year" thing which was later supported by congress.



"(Newser) – Warding off the specter of election-year health insurance cancellations, the Obama administration today announced a two-year extension for individual policies that don't meet requirements of the new health care law. The decision helps defuse a political problem for Democrats in tough re-election battles this fall, especially for senators who in 2010 stood with President Obama and voted to pass his health overhaul. The extension was part of a major package of regulations that sets ground rules for 2015, the second year of government-subsidized health insurance markets under Obama's law—and the first year that larger employers will face a requirement to provide coverage.

It's not clear how many people will be affected by the two-year extension on policies that were previously subject to cancellation. The administration cites a congressional estimate of 1.5 million, counting individual plans and small-business policies. "It's not likely to affect a large number of people, but it certainly avoids difficult anecdotes about people having their policies canceled," said Larry Levitt of the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation, an expert on insurance markets. "I think it's a small and dwindling number of people who are affected." The latest extension builds on an earlier reprieve issued by the White House. Some could renew their plans in 2016, giving them coverage into 2017, reports Politico."

http://www.newser.com/story/183338/people-can-keep-health-plans-2-more-years.html
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 5, 2014 - 08:11pm PT
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Mar 7, 2014 - 05:45pm PT
Riiiiiiiggghhhhhht
Blame Obamacare on the insurance industry canceling 6 million persons' insurance. Including my wife. She was perfectly ready to continue her policy from September through December. Yet they cancelled her and refused to re-instate her. Good thing she didn't get ill or injured between October and Jan 1. Now we're saving $300 per month on her new policy with a different insurer and equivalent coverage.

At least we've still got the best health care delivery in the world.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/07/aasif-mandvi-third-world-healthcare_n_4919304.html?utm_hp_ref=comedy
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 7, 2014 - 05:54pm PT
Now we're saving $300 per month on her policy with equivalent coverage.

excellent! congratulations sir
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Mar 7, 2014 - 05:58pm PT
AND without having to switch from her doctor.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Mar 7, 2014 - 07:40pm PT
Ron
Unfortunately we had the same problem. My wife got it sorted out with a couple of phone calls to our health clinic and the insurance company. It was the ins co screwup. We had printed the web page confirmation and she took this to the clinic. They covered her until the ins co got it sorted out. Her bills still come to my name. Go figure.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 7, 2014 - 10:24pm PT
sketch,,i'll apologize when i am wrong..
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 11, 2014 - 09:17pm PT


Right on Hightraverse, I happy to hear some positive stuff and that it's heading in the right direction for you and your wife. It's still too soon to see how it shakes out for me, but it looks bad from what I can see so far. (don't have to make any changes as of yet though)

(note the total lack of sarcasm on the positive stuff thing, I was straight up for that, anyone else have good news your way on this subject, lay it down)

Curious: What did you have in the past, and what did you wind up with?





HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Mar 11, 2014 - 10:36pm PT
Sketch queried
Can someone explain something to me?

Based on current news, about 4 million Americans have signed up for new insurance through some aspect of the ACA program. By new insurance, I'm talking about people who were without any insurance before signing up.

Back in 2009, we were regularly told about the 46 million Americans without insurance. My math maybe off, but it looks like more than 90% are still without health insurance.

What's wrong with this picture?

http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2013/06/06/the-uninsured-after-implementation-of-the-affordable-care-act-a-demographic-and-geographic-analysis/

The original design of the law still left 10's of millions of people without insurance (which is why liberals were so frustrated with it). Additionally, many millions of the uncovered were supposed to be insured through expanded Medicaid but 21 have refused it outright and 4 are still in the "considering" stage. That's half the states with people falling into that gap. Note that because the ACA was created with the assumption that those people would be covered by Medicaid, they don't qualify for federal subsidies and are completely boned. I don't think even the authors of the paper I linked even thought that many states would refuse coverage.





Ron raged
Went to the urgent care clinic this morning for get something for this flu like crap ive had over a month.. THEY CANNOT find me in the system so i was billed for services and x-rays to the tune of 700.00. Went to the pharmacy AFTER speaking with someone there and when i got there ,, they couldnt accept my ACCOUNT NUMBER of my health coverage - only a "member ID" number which i havent received yet. And the prescrips for two lousy little inhalers ans some antibiotics,,,,,,,,,just under 600.00....All to get rid of the FLU......................

Well, for starters if they gave you antibiotics then you don't have the flu. Second, if you have coverage you will be reimbursed by your insurance for the money they should have paid. Third, did you make sure to ask for generics? You just got a glimpse of the world of health care with poor or no insurance. It sucks.

Also, what happened to your "I negotiate all the prices down because I pay cash and that system works just fine all this insurance stuff is a liberal sham" strategy? You were pretty insistent that that would work for literally everyone.




Putting all my Obamcare victims debunked links here in case some people don't read the other, more histrionic thread.


http://www.salon.com/2013/10/18/inside_the_fox_news_lie_machine_i_fact_checked_sean_hannity_on_obamacare/
http://www.newshounds.us/megyn_kelly_s_phony_obamacare_victim_doesn_t_need_to_die_11082013
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/21239-anatomy-of-an-obamacare-horror-story
http://prospect.org/article/another-phony-obamacare-victim-story
http://www.newshounds.us/greta_van_susteren_outs_her_own_fake_obamacare_victim_sort_of_10302013
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Mar 11, 2014 - 11:46pm PT
Uh Oh, the Unions are starting to break their " silence"

Unite Here, which calls itself "the first international union to endorse Barack Obama for President in 2008," says it supports the intent of the Affordable Care Act, but charges it will transfer a billion dollars in wealth to insurance companies, make the playing field in the market uneven, force employers convert more jobs to part time, and cause pay cuts.

"Ironically, the administration’s own signature healthcare victory poses one of the most immediate challenges to redressing inequality," the report says.

"Yes, the Affordable Care Act will help many more Americans gain some health insurance coverage, a significant step forward for equality. At the same time, without smart fixes, the ACA threatens the middle class with higher premiums, loss of hours, and a shift to part-time work and less comprehensive coverage."

The union called it "ironic" that the White House has made efforts to accommodate businesses, churches, and congressional staff, yet is "now highlighting issues of economic inequality without acting to preserve health plans that have been achieving the goals of the ACA for decades."

"Without a smart fix, the ACA will heighten the inequality that the administration seeks to reduce … We cannot sit idly by as the politicians carve up our health plans while they carve out exceptions for themselves and every special interest feeding at the trough in Washington," the document concludes.

Unite Here's website says it represents 265,000 workers across the United States and Canada in the hotel, gaming, food service, manufacturing, textile, distribution, laundry, and airport industries.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Mar 12, 2014 - 09:53am PT
So you're saying that Obama isn't a shill for the unions?
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