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HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Mar 15, 2014 - 08:32am PT
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/richard-burr-canadian-expert-health-care

The Senate Subcommittee on Primary Health and Aging held a hearing Tuesday on "what the U.S. health care system can learn from other countries," where single-payer health care was discussed. And The Los Angeles Times' Michael Hiltzik caught an exchange between Sen. Richard Burr (R-NC) and Danielle Martin, a Canadian physician and health policy professor.

Burr came at Martin with a number of questions, pointed questions. But Martin had answers. Hiltzik highlighted some key moments.

"Dr. Martin, in your testimony you note that Canadian doctors exiting the public system for the private sector has had the effect of increasing waiting lists for patients seeking public health care," Burr said. "Why are doctors exiting the public system in Canada?"

"Thank you for your question, senator," Martin said. "If I didnít express myself in a way to make myself understood, I apologize. There are no doctors exiting the public system in Canada, and in fact we see a net influx of physicians from the United States into the Canadian system over the last number of years."

**Later on, Burr asked Martin: "On average, how many Canadian patients on a waiting list die each year? Do you know?"

"I donít, sir, but I know that there are 45,000 in America who die waiting because they donít have insurance at all," Martin said. **



That would be a sweet burn if it wasn't so horrifically sad.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 7, 2014 - 11:09am PT


I guess this was inevitable, Hitler slags on Obamacare. Video: http://safeshare.tv/w/jyeqLxShwx



dirtbag

climber
Apr 10, 2014 - 08:53pm PT
So it appears that not 7.1 million, but instead 7.5 million people signed up before the deadline. Sounds like an unmitigated failure.
spectreman

Trad climber
Apr 10, 2014 - 09:33pm PT
I thought the goal of obummercare was to insure the 40 million people without insurance. How is 7.5 million sign ups a success when the majority of those people already had insurance to begin with?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Apr 10, 2014 - 09:50pm PT
What do you want for a Trillion dollars, Spectreman?

Jesus!
ruppell

climber
Apr 10, 2014 - 09:59pm PT
dirtbag

climber
Apr 10, 2014 - 10:30pm PT
Please show us where anyone said that the goal of Obamacare was to insure 40 million people.

Yes.

And while you're at it, please show us the Republican plan to insure anyone who isn't already insured.
dirtbag

climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 09:44am PT
^^^^^...crickets...


(lol)
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 04:40pm PT
Around 40 Million Americans who currently do not have health insurance are projected to have coverage by 2019.

http://obamacarefacts.com/affordable-care-act-facts.php

Found the above link on the first page of googling and it appears to be at least one source of ACA's goal of 40 million to be insured.

A better question would be what percentage of the 7.5 million new signups had no insurance before passage of ACA.

I always like to remind myself that skepticism is essential to science but poison to political causes.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 11, 2014 - 04:58pm PT
I thought the goal of obummercare was to insure the 40 million people without insurance. How is 7.5 million sign ups a success when the majority of those people already had insurance to begin with?

yes, it was a hoped for "goal"

however, we have 26 states that are run by Republicans who have refused to extend Medicaid under the ACA to their poorest citizens

do you understand now that an additional 20 million Americans are getting screwed because they live in Republican controlled states?

in addition, you can count on the number of insured going much higher as time goes on

think ahead now, what will you be trying to criticize then?
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Apr 11, 2014 - 08:43pm PT
And while you're at it, please show us the Republican plan to insure anyone who isn't already insured.

The presumption that drives this question is false.

It's not the government's job to ensure that anybody has health insurance.

It's not the government's job to ensure that "poor" people get their needs met by "rich" people.

It's not the government's job to ensure that ANY positive rights are satisfied.

The "rights" mentioned in the Constitution were all negative rights, and the fundamental shift in perspective (that most now unquestioningly hold) reached the tipping point under FDR, and now "Americans" virtually all believe in positive rights.

So, under the Constitution, the Rumblecans don't have any "duty" to come up with some plan to ensure that people have health insurance.

It not they yab, man!
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 09:08pm PT
madbolter posted
It's not the government's job to ensure that anybody has health insurance.

Funny cause there are numerous programs and laws that state otherwise.

It's not the government's job to ensure that "poor" people get their needs met by "rich" people.

We could just go straight to the actual class war if that's what you'd like. The one where the poor masses butcher the rich, burn their houses to the ground and throw their children into rivers. The democratic process is designed to prevent that from happening by allowing the not rich to have a voice. Before this we had aristocracy and serfdom which appears to be the system that you would prefer.

It's not the government's job to ensure that ANY positive rights are satisfied.

Yeah that's wrong.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Apr 11, 2014 - 09:22pm PT
Funny cause there are numerous programs and laws that state otherwise.

Way to miss the point!

Class war? Okay, bring it. The middle class is still a majority, and we're armed.

People that think you can just take, take, take and that the people you take from will not find some way to stop that crap are living in a dream world. This mess is winding down, the piper is gonna get paid, and things are about to get FAR worse for the "poor" than ever before.

Y'all have just about killed the golden goose.
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Apr 11, 2014 - 09:37pm PT
The reality is that ACA is underfunded due to the fact that the young healthy folks do not seem to want to sign up for expensive healthcare.

ACA is a huge burden on self employed folks making a very modest income.


Funny thing, I keep seeing bumper stickers that read " I am ready for Hillary".


The smart Dems are distancing themselves from this President and his failed policies faster than Bill can season his stogie with young intern vag.

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Apr 11, 2014 - 09:41pm PT
madbolter, ever been to one of the many county horsespittles around the
country that have been the primary health providers for so long? Yeah, you
wouldn't want to but county governments have been doing so for many decades.
Middle class bleeding heart libs decided that way back. The horse is outta
the barn and he's running hard!
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 09:43pm PT
snowmassguy posted
The reality is that ACA is underfunded due to the fact that the young healthy folks do not seem to want to sign up for expensive healthcare.

ACA "funding" doesn't depend on young people signing up, private health insurance profits do. And while the mix isn't what they would like there are more than enough healthy folks to make it work and more will sign up as time goes on.

ACA is a huge burden on self employed folks making a very modest income.

As is going bankrupt because you can't afford the hospital bills you just racked up. Last time I checked being self-employed wasn't a "get out of paying for healthcare free" card.

Snowmass continues
The smart Dems are distancing themselves from this President and his failed policies faster than Bill can season his stogie with young intern vag.

Which ones are those?
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Apr 11, 2014 - 09:49pm PT
The horse is outta the barn and he's running hard!

Yup, no doubt!

I don't think it's fixable at this point, but I do get tired of hearing all the liberal rationalizations for the increasingly and flagrantly dismal failures of liberal public policy.

That said, both parties are infested. There are no negative-rights politicians remaining.

And the notion of genuine, substantive personal responsibility is all but dead in this country.

Oh, btw, had we just taken all the money that's been spent (so far) on Obumblecare and just written checks with it to buy everybody health insurance with the policy of their choice, we'd be way ahead already. This was never about health care. This was about power and further individual dependency upon the government.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 09:49pm PT
madbolter posted
Class war? Okay, bring it. The middle class is still a majority, and we're armed.

Wait so the middle class are the rich now? Do you even read what you write?

Madbolter posted
Oh, btw, had we just taken all the money that's been spent (so far) on Obumblecare and just written checks with it to buy everybody health insurance with the policy of their choice, we'd be way ahead already.

That's of course completely false but it's also funny cause if we just had single payer healthcare we'd save even more. So if you're advocating for single payer healthcare then welcome to the liberal camp.
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Apr 11, 2014 - 09:49pm PT
I will call you Hedge-desert.

Yep, this ACA thing is a smashing success. LOL


HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Apr 11, 2014 - 09:51pm PT
I will call you Hedge-desert.

And I will call you "he who does not know about what he posts."
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