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Shack

Big Wall climber
Reno NV
Nov 6, 2013 - 08:39pm PT
So it is a comprehension problem.
Good luck with that.
Not gonna waste my time explaining plural forms of personal pronouns.
Moron.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 6, 2013 - 08:45pm PT
So how come you guys are ignoring the fact that this country's greatest
champion of 'the little guy', Ralph Nader, thinks the ACA is a pile of crap
as it is written? Is he off his rocker, does he not get it? Come on, tell
Ralph he isn't for the little guy any more.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Nov 6, 2013 - 08:54pm PT
Nader actually is a little off his rocker these days.

And he's prolly not happy that we don't have single payer.

Nader never really was into compromise, and the ACA is a huge compromise.
storer

Trad climber
Golden, Colorado
Nov 6, 2013 - 09:05pm PT
Look, I'm on Medicare and so should you be. Did you ever ask yourself why you aren't?

Why isn't your wrath directed to me who has Medicare? Give me one good reason why you don't have it?

You get hit by a rock some dummy above knocks off and then you will understand the picture, quickly enough.

Many of us more informed people wanted a single payer system, like Medicare, but we're struggling to even get this which is a big improvement over the unregulated, rip-off insurance market we had before even though it will still still make the insurance companies rich as before.

I look at this as a baby step to national healthcare, to bad we have to go this slow but the obstructionists (Republicans, Tea Party, anarchists, etc.) are a POA and it PO's me mightily.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Nov 6, 2013 - 09:10pm PT
Hey Norton, you blew right by this very important aspect...

The Obama administration has weathered intense criticism since hundreds of thousands of people have seen their health insurance policies canceled because they do not meet new benefit requirements, despite Obama's pledge that Americans could keep their current plans under Obamacare.
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-meets-more-dozen-senate-democrats-healthcare-rollout-201548172--business.html


That is just the tip of the iceberg as far as the current health insurance cancellations that are expected to be completed in the next 12 months.


No one person had anything of the sorts happen to their health insurance policies when Medicare was implemented. Not one!


Niiiiiiiiiiiice!

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Nov 6, 2013 - 09:24pm PT
Talked to my ex-insignifcant other and her monthly bill went down 75 dollars from what she paid before the ACA...She said the Cover California program wasn't that hard to navigate...? However , she said Blue Shilled keeps bumping their policy up 10% every year...So what's with all the whailing and gnashing of teeth...?
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Nov 6, 2013 - 09:48pm PT
no more will this happen to people

As long as you can pay the premiums and deductibles, assuming you work in the private sector. If you are a public "servant", no worries; there is a magic cash resource; taxpayers.


Why is congress and the executive branch excluded and have their own health and retirement plans which we pay for? Pretty much every government employee has their health care and pension fully funded for life at nearly zero cost to them; the taxpayers foot the bill.

Let them eat cake seems to be the plan forward. The gooberment no longer looks to serve the population, but looks to force the population to serve them. Until the government sector applies the same rules to themselves as they mandate to the private sector, it is a cash grab and pure BS.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 6, 2013 - 09:49pm PT
Dave Kos wrote:
and the ACA is a huge compromise.

What was the ACA vote in the Senate and in the House?
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Nov 6, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
Gubmit workers do not get their health care paid for life, and it's my experience that it was on par - if not a bit worse - than benefits I've received elsewhere. I do admit, it was far better than the 8 years or so of my life when I had no health insurance.

Government healthcare info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Employees_Health_Benefits_Program

Congressional member healthcare info:
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/health-care-for-members-of-congress/

Congress not exempted:
http://www.rgj.com/article/20131001/NEWS1801/131001004/

As far as retirement plans - it operates like the private sector except that the gubmit workers can invest (i.e., put in their own money) in plans such as the H Plan, L Plan, etc. It's like blind investing!

Here is some info:
http://www.opm.gov/retirement-services/fers-information/

For more, go to the TSP site linked there. Unless I was being given different treatment than all other workers, the benefits I received were slightly below par with private sector benefits.

Just my experience.

Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Nov 6, 2013 - 10:06pm PT
What was the ACA vote in the Senate and in the House?

60-39 and 219-212.

Why?

Curt
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Nov 6, 2013 - 10:14pm PT
Gubmit workers do not get their health care paid for life, and it's my experience that it was on par - if not a bit worse - than benefits I've received elsewhere. I do admit, it was far better than the 8 years or so of my life when I had no health insurance.

In Cali they do.
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Nov 6, 2013 - 10:23pm PT
[quote]Because they work for an employer that provides health benefits. The fact that the employer is the gov't is irrelevant. ObamaCare benefits are for poor people, like Food Stamps are, not for people with good jobs, like gov't workers.
/quote]


no, it is not irrelevant. the difference is my employer needs to make a profit and is passing the cost of this BS to employees. the gooberment just raises taxes and sucks us dry rather than passing the cost to their employees. meanwhile I am also being required to fund "poor people" Do you really think all this money is magically produced?

Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Nov 6, 2013 - 10:24pm PT
Ah - I'm speaking of federal gubmit workers. I should have been more specific. Thanks for that clarification.
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Nov 6, 2013 - 10:53pm PT
Look, I'm not against a federal health care plan; I'm for it. I just think this is a cluster and is a veiled form of wealth redistribution which in the end will only benefit the government money grab and will have no true benefit to society.

I've busted my butt to make a living and be financially self sufficient. I was never able to spend 5 weeks in the alps or tramping around asia. Instead I worked my ass off and have saved all the money I can.

Now it is being taken away from me to fund a boatload of people that never looked at the big picture.

edit: What I'm saying is that there needs to be a level of personal responsibility. I have no problem with chipping in to help people out. But I don't see why the gooberment should have the ability to pick my pocket for idiots that have not taken responsibility for their actions.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 6, 2013 - 10:59pm PT
jghedge wrote:
It takes 2 to compromise, right?


Curt wrote
60-39 and 219-212.
Why?

jhgedge,
That's my point, there was no compromise.

Curt,
Because by definitions I know of, there was no compromise.

an agreement or settlement of a dispute that is reached by each side making concessions:
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/compromise
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 6, 2013 - 11:11pm PT
jghedge wrote:
Other countries literally pay you to go to the doctor and dentist.



Other countries, with healthcare systems riding on the coat tails of a strong, successful and ethical free market system, literally pay you to go to the doctor and dentist.
Fixed it for ya...see one example of other countries here:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/V/VENEZUELA_SICK_HEALTH_CARE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-11-06-00-10-00
WBraun

climber
Nov 6, 2013 - 11:16pm PT
Hedge -- "Do you think congress and the executive branch should be on Food Stamps as well?"

Yes, they should all be fired and made to work digging ditches in lion cloths.

These arrogant fat asses need to be humbled.

They're irresponsible.

It's time for a REAL change .....
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 6, 2013 - 11:21pm PT
jghedge wrote:
It's called "democracy". You're free to move somewhere where there isn't any. Plenty of choices.

Back in the day, right wingers used to say "America, love it or leave it".
To paraphrase on old baseball player: Just like deja vu all over again.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Nov 6, 2013 - 11:26pm PT
Digging ditches would suit the fatt asses right but making them wear lion cloths is cruel and unusual punishment...
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Nov 6, 2013 - 11:34pm PT
Yes, they should all be fired and made to work digging ditches in lion cloths.

These arrogant fat asses need to be humbled.

They're irresponsible.

It's time for a REAL change .....

Werner, well stated. They are truly irresponsible and should be held accountable. Instead the dumb shee voters keep voting in the incumbents.
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