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Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 6, 2013 - 11:34pm PT
jghedge wrote:
Yes of course - Venezuela - because citing any actual comparably developed democracy would disprove your point.

Thanks for making my point by doing that.

I'm not trying to make the point you think I am. I am not passing judgement on any healthcare systems in Canada or Europe because I know nothing about them. The point I was making is the underlying funding, whatever type of healthcare system there is. Another point I will make is that a successful capitalist society requires ethics.
You made a blanket statement about "other countries". I was just being persnickety with the sweeping generalization you made and reposted the link on Venezuela. It is a story worth pondering. You never know what lessons can be learned.
I do respect your faith and passion that the ACA will be successful. I don't share that faith, but I hope for the best.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 6, 2013 - 11:48pm PT
jghedge wrote:
Were they citing your opposition to democracy as a reason for leaving?

I've never been opposed to demcracy. I think everyone in this country is entitled to all the rights summed up in this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CzteDucRHo
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Nov 6, 2013 - 11:59pm PT
What I actually do have faith in is that the insurance companies won't be around long enough to find out. they won't be needed. The MediCare model will be made available to all.

Can you send me what you are smoking?
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Nov 7, 2013 - 12:06am PT
He is back on the crack again


Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 7, 2013 - 12:12am PT
Norton wrote:
yes, this is democacy

LOL, yes democracy is messy and every group has a whole Bell Curve of humanity.
As one of my favorite philosophers once said: "Can't we all just get along"?
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Nov 7, 2013 - 12:22am PT
hedge-do you pay your own bills or rely upon me to pay them?
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Nov 7, 2013 - 12:31am PT
Agreed insurance is shared risk. But do those that don't pay get covered as my premiums and deductibles shoot through the roof? It is about personal responsibility.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Nov 7, 2013 - 12:37am PT
Agreed insurance is shared risk. But do those that don't pay get covered as my premiums and deductibles shoot through the roof? It is about personal responsibility.

You're describing what we currently have--and what the ACA is attempting to fix.

Curt
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Nov 7, 2013 - 12:44am PT
Ok, I'll bow of this after his post. I had an insurance plan that the administration stated I could keep. That plan has been canceled and to renew my under the Affordable health plan, my premiums are up 44%. My deductibles are up around 200%.


Guangzhou

Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
Nov 7, 2013 - 01:02am PT
Well, looks like this law has hit me below the belt too. As an expat, I recieve insurance from my employer. The insurance company is American and all of us on the coverage are Americans, but....

Looks like I either buy personal insurance, or I pay a penalty.

Thanks OBAMACARE

I am a U.S. citizen residing outside of the U.S. on a Global Medical Insurance Plan. Does the individual mandate apply to me?

U.S. citizens who live abroad for a calendar year (or at least 330 days within a 12 month period) are treated as having “minimum essential coverage” for the year (or period) and, therefore, are not required to purchase PPACA coverage. These are individuals who qualify for an exclusion from income under section 911 of the IRS Code. See the IRS foreign earned income exclusion test for further information on this exclusion. They need take no further action to comply with the individual mandate.

Please note that IMG’s Global Medical Insurance Plan does not meet the definition of “minimum essential coverage” under PPACA. GMI is not intended to provide U.S. citizens residing in the U.S. with health insurance. While your GMI plan for worldwide coverage will not be affected by PPACA, you should review the information below to see if you are exempt from the requirements of PPACA or not, and whether you will have to pay a tax penalty or not.

Under PPACA, all U.S. citizens, nationals and resident aliens will be required to purchase minimum essential coverage (PPACA compliant coverage), unless they are exempt. Exempt U.S. citizens include U.S. citizens who reside outside of the U.S. The exemption applies to:

A U.S. citizen who has a tax home (your main place of work or employment, or if you don’t have a main place of work or employment, your main residence) in a foreign country, and has been a bona fide resident of a foreign country or countries for an uninterrupted period that includes an entire taxable year; or is present in a foreign country or countries during at least 330 full days in a twelve month period.

See details under the IRS foreign earned income exclusion test.

Even if a person was required to purchase minimum essential coverage and did not, she/he would only be required to pay a tax penalty for not purchasing PPACA coverage (if she/he files a U.S. tax return). In many cases, this tax is far less than the premiums that a person would pay for obtaining PPACA coverage.

What will my tax be if I am required to have PPACA coverage, but do not purchase it?

Tax Calculations:
Taxes begin in 2014 and rise in years following. In each year, the tax consists of the higher of a dollar amount or a percentage of household income. For a given household, the tax applies to each individual, up to a maximum of three. Following is the schedule of taxes:

2014: The higher of $95 per person (up to 3 people, or $285) OR 1.0% of taxable income.

2015: The higher of $325 per person (up to 3 people, or $975) OR 2.0% of taxable income.

2016: The higher of $695 per person (up to 3 people, or $2,085) OR 2.5% of taxable income.

After 2016: The same as 2016, but adjusted annually for cost-of-living increases.

I am an individual residing outside of my home country and covered under an employer group plan. Does PPACA apply to me?

On March 8, 2013, the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services and Treasury issued a Frequently Asked Question (FAQ) announcing that, for expatriate plans, compliance with most PPACA provisions is being delayed until January 1, 2016. The relief from compliance applies for plan years 2014 and 2015 on plans that meet the following definition:

“Insured group health plans with plan years ending on or before December 31, 2015, in which enrollment is limited to individuals residing outside of their home country for at least six months of the plan year and any covered dependents.”
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 7, 2013 - 05:24am PT
jghedge wrote:
Yet you object to majority rule on the grounds that it doesn't offer enough compromise.

What would you suggest to allow more compromise and still retain majority rule?


You either don't state my position properly or don't understand definitions the same as I do.

Compromise: It is up to the individuals or groups involved in any issue to freely pursue compromise or not. If a majority refuses to compromise on major legislation and passes it on a pure party line vote, can that majority really be surprised when the opposition uses all means legal to block or overturn said legislation?
One point I'll make is that all major social legislation in this country was passed on a bi-partisan basis. That is why all of those programs are successfully accepted by very wide majorities. Still, the small minorities who disagree with those widely accepted programs are free to protest in any legal way possible.

Majority rule: I believe in majority rule, to the point that 51% vote to pee in the Wheaties of the other 49%. The old "Two foxes and a hen voting on what's for dinner". It seems that you don't know, remember, or conveniently forget, the origin of the Bill of Rights.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority

I am not stating this is a Bill of Rights issue. My only point is that no compromise was accomplished before passage by simple majority.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_majority

Ain't democracy a mess? (you could call it a representative republic, but then the dirty R word is the root).
Seems you just can't always get what you want. (I should write a song about that).
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Nov 7, 2013 - 09:07am PT
KEEP bellyaching about Obama and nothing is going to change..Try directing your anger where it belongs...The insurance companies and your republicans for not coming up with a plan to make health care affordable...
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Nov 7, 2013 - 09:23am PT
^^^The republicans did come up with a plan and it's now being implemented nationally. They were the conceptual architects of the ACA which first was implemented in Massachusetts.
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Nov 7, 2013 - 09:27am PT
ACA is a full on train wreck that ran into a school bus of kids at the RR crossing. Unfortunately a bunch of the kids on the bus now have no insurance because their policies have been canceled and now their working class parents could not afford an Obamacare policy.



ACA was a campaign strategy to elect a politician. Just another underfunded and poorly implemented government program. It will fail because the idealistic younger generations ( as well as the working class) will refuse or more likely be unable to pay massive premiums required to subsidize the huge and largely unhealthy boomer generation.



Single payer will not happen in our life time. The healthcare situation will go from bad to worse. Pray for a healthy life and a quick and untimely death as it is the only way anyone that is not "rich" will avoid the clusterf**k we have voted for.










johntp

Trad climber
socal
Nov 7, 2013 - 09:30am PT
And again, Obama doesn't control the insurance companies,

WTF? This is his plan; should he not be held accountable?
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Nov 7, 2013 - 09:39am PT
WTF? This is his plan; should he not be held accountable?

he should get in line behind the pack of treasonous war criminals that proceeded him.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Nov 7, 2013 - 09:57am PT
Someday I hope to buy a house from Larry Nelson:

Larry: The asking price is $200K

Me: I'd like the house for free, but let's compromise, I'll give you ten dollars.

Larry: What!?!? It's a house!

Me: Ok, I'll compromise again, twenty dollars.

Larry: Really?

Me: You aren't compromising, Larry. I already compromised twice.

Larry: Twenty dollars for a house?

Me: Larry, this is about compromise. I doubled my price, and you haven't budged. The reasonable thing for you to do is half your price. Why aren't you being reasonable?

Larry: Ok, let's split the difference, $100K

Me: Deal

Compromise in the world of Larry Nelson

Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 7, 2013 - 09:58am PT
Wade Icey wrote:
he should get in line behind the pack of treasonous war criminals that proceeded him.

Because this thread is about the Iraq War? Or because the buck stops somewhere far from the president or the party that passed the ACA legislation?
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Nov 7, 2013 - 09:59am PT
ACA is a full on train wreck that ran into a school bus of kids at the RR crossing. Unfortunately a bunch of the kids on the bus now have no insurance because their policies have been canceled and now their working class parents could not afford an Obamacare policy.

Before ACA, a much larger group of kids weren't even allowed to go to school at all.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 7, 2013 - 10:09am PT
Dave Kos wrote:
Compromise in the world of Larry Nelson

Dave,
I think I am on the same page as the Oxford dictionary. Maybe write to them to correct their definition.
an agreement or settlement of a dispute that is reached by each side making concessions:
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/compromise


Where did the republicans agree or settle to what was passed? The way I read the definition of compromise is that both sides agree to a settlement. You must read it differently.
Cheers,
Larry

Dave,
I will also add that I would never sell a $200,000 house for $100,000. I might drop my price depending on market conditions or how desperate I am to sell. I am free to disagree with your price, just as you are free to disagree with mine. The deal, or compromise in your analogy, happens when both sides agree.
I will agree for you to buy my bridge, though you probably unfairly don't want to compromise.
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