Datura recipe???


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Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Nov 10, 2017 - 06:21pm PT
Russ: Hopefully, a "theme-song" for your adventure will make your way less difficult.

May I suggest: Happy Trip to You?"


Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 10, 2017 - 06:54pm PT
Given this clientele I strongly question why any sort of leaf is indicated, except for a fig leaf,
although Burt Bronson would use a yucca leaf.
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 10, 2017 - 06:57pm PT
"I will not engage with you until you lose that ridiculous mustache and have a bran muffin."...
Don Paul

Mountain climber
Denver CO
Nov 10, 2017 - 09:20pm PT
Credit: Don Paul

To capture the power of our sacred Mountain, we need only gather some Earth and return to our altar shaping it into the likeness of the mountain and with a single prayer its power, becomes primordial. ~ Cha Heca
Flip Flop

Earth Planet, Universe
Nov 11, 2017 - 05:23am PT
I "handled" it okay but everyone else suffered mightily. Once is too much
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 11, 2017 - 07:02am PT
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 11, 2017 - 04:27pm PT
Too funny!!!

"Do I look that bad Father???"

"Yes son, you do...."
Don Paul

Mountain climber
Denver CO
Nov 11, 2017 - 05:10pm PT
(Actually, I would never try this poisonous stuff in a million years. I thought about it later and realized some 12 year old kid in new mexico might be reading this and decide its cool. The picture above is a joke too - Carlos Castaneda was a very disturbed man.)
Bruce Morris

Trad climber
Soulsbyville, California
Nov 11, 2017 - 09:29pm PT
Was just listening to that Buckethead composition, "Datura". Spacey!


Social climber
Nov 12, 2017 - 06:31am PT
Carlos Castaneda wrote 'tales of power'

Trad climber
Brooklyn, NY
Nov 28, 2017 - 12:00am PT
Credit: Lovegasoline

"On April 23, 1969, I was arrested in Van Nuys for being under the influence of drugs in public. It began with a small piece of belladonna root that Brenda-Nancy had found in the fields behind the ranch and boiled up in the kitchen, a piece no more than half an inch long and a quarter of an inch across. It ended up with me slithering across a sidewalk on my hands and knees through a crowd of schoolchildren, unable to walk, unable to make any noise except little mechanical sounds, over and over: “Beep, beep . . . beep, beep, beep.” Before it was over, ten days later, I would have seen space people beeping back at me, landing and taking off from circles of light; I would have seen the wind itself. The arrest was not only the source of a mug shot that showed me grinning up at the camera like some sort of demented animal — a photograph that later became the best-known image of me in the press. It also resulted in my being fingerprinted for the first time in my life. "
-Will You Die For Me, Tex Watson (convicted for Tate-LaBianca murders)

I've read a source that states what Watson and others believed was Belldonna was actually Datura, based on the color of the flowers (white vs. purple). For ex. Paul Watkins in his testimony at Watson's trial went into detail about the plant and described the colors of the flowers of what he believed was Belladonna.


Charles 'Tex' Watson Trial Testimony September 1, 1971 (excerpts):

Q Did you ever use belladonna while you were at the ranch, Charles?

A Yes, I used it in April of '69.

Q Do you remember how you first got it?

A Paul Watkins got some from around the ranch there and Brenda cooked it up

Q What form was it in when you used it?

A A root form.

Q Had you ever seen anybody eating it in root form?

A No, I hadn't. I never had seen it before.

Q Did you know what belladonna was used for?

A No, I didn't even know it would have any effect on you, I had never even heard of it before this.

Q What happened when you took it?

A I took it on the ranch and I started hitchhiking down to this motorcycle shop and by the time I got down there I was crawling on the ground.

Q Do you remember anything else that happened on that occasion?

A Yeah, I remember having cotton mouth so bad that I couldn't speak there at first; and then I got this little scooter thing out, a little hill climber, hill climber motorcycle out of the shop, and started toward the ranch with it and I blacked out going down.

Q Where were you when you came to?

A I was in the back seat of somebody's car

Q Do you remember anything else about that experience?

A The police were shaking me and waking me up.

Q Did they take you off to jail?

A They carried me off, one of them had me under both sides of my arm and they were dragging me.

Q Did anything happen to you in jail that you remember?

A I had a fight

Q Do you know why?

A Three guys jumped on me and they said I was crazy, and I was insane; that's why they beat me up.

Q Did you get any injury in that fight?

A I cut -- they cut my eye; one of them cut up my eye pretty bad. I had to have it sewed up.

Q Do you remember what jail you were in when this occurred?

A I found out later it was Van Nuys.

Q And do you remember what month this was?

A April, I believe.

Q Do you have any idea what the belladonna that was being brewed up by Paul Watkins and Brenda was to be used for?

A I know after that I heard that Charlie kept talking about putting it in the water tanks of this city.

Q Was that in connection with helter-skelter, if you know?

A Something in that -- something to do with it.


Trad climber
Brooklyn, NY
Nov 28, 2017 - 12:01am PT

(more excerpts:)

Q I think you told us you started to use -- you used belladonna for the first time in April of '69; is that correct?

A That is correct.

Q Did you use it again while you were at the ranch?

A Yes, I did.

Q How often would you use it?

A Not very often. About once a month or a little over.

Q What effect would it have on you when you use it?

A About the same effect all the time.

Q What was that?

A Well, the blackout and then waking up and having hallucinations and being completely away from reality and talking to space people that would come down out of the sky and you could see their space ships.

Q Did you ever do that? Talk to space people?

A Yes, uh-huh.

Q Where, do you remember?

A Well, several times out at the ranch and one time in jail the first time.

Q Was that what led to the fight in jail?

A That was some of the things because I was making strange noises back at the space people.

Q How long would a trip on belladonna last?

A It would depend on if you got woken up. If somebody woke you up, you would start having a lot of hallucinations. I know it took about 18 hours before you could walk around on your own with it and then if you took speed with it then you could move around.

Q Did you ever take belladonna and speed at the same time?

A Yes. That was one of the things to take belladonna and then when you woke up to get your energy going and to -- you would have a lot of energy from the belladonna and the belladonna would give you so much energy that after you woke up, it would give you so much energy that you just wouldn't know what to do. You would be bright red, kind of red, and your whole body would be dehydrated to where you wouldn't be anything but muscles and bones.

Q When you say the body was bright red, did you actually turn red or did you imagine that you were red?

A Well, I looked red from my eyes. I don't know how I looked to other people.

Q Did you ever look at yourself in the mirror under belladonna?

A No, not that I can recall.


Mr. Bubrick: August the 8th, August the 8th running into the 9th. Do you remember August the 8th?

A Yes, the morning. I remember all that night before on the 8th. I was up all night on speed and I ended up at the waterfall. Where Charlie and the girls and I believe some babies were over there, a couple of babies that at the ranch, and the younger people were at the waterfall and there was belladonna hanging around that they had pulled up all around the waterfall and I took some belladonna that morning .

Q The root form?

A Yes.

Q Do you remember how big a piece you took?

A About the size I always took, about an inch or three-quarters of an inch long and about that big around or so --

The Court: An inch in diameter?

A About an inch; three quarters of an inch or an inch, something like that, not a large piece.

Mr. Bubrick: That was in the area of the waterfall?

A Yes, that was at the camp at the waterfall.

Q What did you do after, after taking the belladonna?

A Walked over to the ranch.

Q How far a walk was that?

A I'd say less than a mile.

Q What happened at the ranch?

A I got over it and I remember seeing Sadie and Linda Kasabian, they had just got back from somewhere, I recall that.

Q Do you remember whether it was early in the morning or mid-morning or what?

A It was real early in the morning, about the same time the sun was coming up, about sunrise, yeah.

Q How were they dressed when you saw them?

A They were in black, all black.

Q Did you say anything to them?

A Not that I can recall. I just -- no, I heard something about conversations they had got some credit cards or something, that's about all I heard.

Q What did you do that day, if you can remember?

A I went in the shack down below the ranch and I was out all day on belladonna.

Q Do you remember what time you woke up?

A At eating time, when it was time to eat, one of the girls came and woke me up and told me it was time for the family, like Charlie was pulling everybody together for the night meal or something.

Q Who decided when it was time to eat dinner?

A Charlie did.

Q Did anybody eat before he did?

A No, I remember one time somebody ate before he did and he got real mad, you know, or nobody ever went to sleep before he did or nobody ever got out of bed before he did. You know, it was everybody was doing everything at the same time, one person, that was Charlie.

Q When you were awakened in time for dinner, did you go to dinner?

A Yes I did. I had a lot of energy but I didn't have a lot of pep or something, so I took some speed to get me moving, you know.

Q Do you remember eating?

A I didn't eat that night.

Q Did you see Manson again that night?

A I was sitting on the fireplace in the house where we ate and I don't remember who was in the house, but I know he called me outside and told me to go up to the ranch front, so that's what I did.

Q When you got to the ranch front, who else was there, if anybody?

A I remember a girl walked out, one of the girls, and everybody was taking acid that night, and that's what I was told, anyway, so I took some acid.

Q Who gave it to you, if you remember?

A I can't recall. I believe it was Squeaky, though I'm not for sure.

Q Did anything else occur that evening that you remember?

A Yes, Charlie called me over behind the car, down at the far end of the ranch, and handed me a gun and a knife and he said for me to take the gun and the knife and to go up where Terry Melcher used to live and to kill everybody in the house, as gruesome as I could, or something to that effect; or, "Make sure everybody is dead, as gruesome as you can," or something to that effect.
Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Nov 28, 2017 - 12:15am PT
I "handled" it okay but everyone else suffered mightily. Once is too much
~ Flip Flop

Flip Flop knows. Datura bad...really bad.

If you want to go out there and have something worthwhile to explore and bring back, look to psilocybin and/or peyote.

Datura won’t just f*#k you up. It will f*#k you over, too.

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 28, 2017 - 11:26am PT
Henry David Thoreau enjoyed nature too, naturally.
He was able to write about it in his state of euphoria.
Jim Clipper

from: forests to tree farms
Dec 4, 2017 - 06:40pm PT

maybe you just had the wrong playlist.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Dec 10, 2017 - 08:41pm PT

Mountain climber
Dec 10, 2017 - 09:25pm PT
I just watched the Hamilton's Pharmacopeia episode on Bufo alvarius-the desert toad. It's worth watching, I thought.

in the land of the blind
Dec 10, 2017 - 10:34pm PT
Kim Jong Un’s missles might not be nuke capable yet, so when he lobs some VX or Sarin at ya it might help to have some datura on hand.

Social climber
Mar 16, 2018 - 10:26pm PT
ive it on good authority that when their not off on beer runs they squabble amongst themselves as to what news is worth daring to breach the inner sanctum...

Ice climber
Mar 16, 2018 - 10:28pm PT
Jimson weed
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