Climber shot in Ten Sleep

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mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 17, 2013 - 06:23pm PT

WTF?

http://bighornclimbers.org/climber-shot-in-ten-sleep-canyon/

http://www.climbing.com/news/climber-shot-in-ten-sleep-wyoming/

BurnRockBurn

climber

South of Black Rock City (CC,NV)

Sep 17, 2013 - 06:25pm PT

Double WTF

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Sep 17, 2013 - 06:29pm PT

Well it is Wyoming the state with the highest per capita gun ownership and the fifth highest gun deaths per capita.

GhoulweJ

Trad climber

El Dorado Hills, CA

Sep 17, 2013 - 06:31pm PT

Was he wearing one of those goofy antler hats?

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Sep 17, 2013 - 06:36pm PT

During the Bush/ Kerry election campaign my wife and i climbed at Tensleep and that night stayed in a motel in Tensleep. I walked out to my car that morning to find a local redneck in the act of scraping the "Mssion Not Accomplished" sticker from the bumper.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 17, 2013 - 06:36pm PT

You should have shot him.

Ward Trotter

Trad climber

Sep 17, 2013 - 06:39pm PT

i guess it really doesn't surprise me the instant default to petty prejudices and politics when reacting to a shooting incident in which nothing is known except someone was shot in the dark at 3 am in a camping area.
These news events have become Rorscharch tests for whatever grudge one happens to be carrying around.

Here's to a trouble free recovery for the shooting victim and his family.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 17, 2013 - 06:40pm PT

Well, we know the shooter wasn't a inner city black teenager in a hoodie...

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Sep 17, 2013 - 06:41pm PT

Yep.....it shouldn't surprise you.

I'll be surprised, however, if it turns out to be Nancy Pelosi's butler.

Brandon-

climber

The Granite State.

Sep 17, 2013 - 06:41pm PT

Tweakers.

Sad to hear, I hope he recovers.

Ward Trotter

Trad climber

Sep 17, 2013 - 06:58pm PT

Hey, Ward, welcome to Supertopo! Facts don't mean sh#t round here.

I know. They don't mean a rats ass in society either.

The only persons who don't have the luxury of superimposing their own prejudices on this event is the detective assigned to the case, and the physicians treating the victim.

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Sep 17, 2013 - 07:06pm PT

Well it is Wyoming the state with the highest per capita gun ownership and the fifth highest gun deaths per capita.

And the lowest population ( just over half of that of San Jose Ca ) all tucked into the ninth largest state. We're working out a few rough spots. First female governor though.

zBrown

Ice climber

Brujo de La Playa

Sep 17, 2013 - 07:13pm PT

What kind of gun was it?

The second link says "small caliber".

Are small caliber guns allowed in Why-oming?

-om

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Sep 17, 2013 - 07:15pm PT

Any State with grizzly bears, wolves, wolverines AND black footed ferrets is okay in my book.

michaeld

Sport climber

Sacramento

Sep 17, 2013 - 07:35pm PT

Probably some skin head rednecks who took notice to the Ecuadorian.

Small Caliber, no shots heard, probably a home made silencer.

So much WTF.

Fat Dad

Trad climber

Los Angeles, CA

Sep 17, 2013 - 07:46pm PT

The only persons who don't have the luxury of superimposing their own prejudices on this event is the detective assigned to the case, and the physicians treating the victim.

This is a rather optimistic statement. Being a detective or physician does not automatically exempt one from preexisting beliefs. People bring their own pasts to their present day.

Certainly we don't know what happened, but people can and do draw inferences based upon known facts. Sometimes these inference are surprisingly accurate; other times they are the polar opposite of that. Just as it's too soon to make hasty conclusions, it's probably also too early too call everyone out who made those hasty conclusions.

My best to the victim and his family.

Ward Trotter

Trad climber

Sep 17, 2013 - 09:22pm PT

The only persons who don't have the luxury of superimposing their own prejudices on this event is the detective assigned to the case, and the physicians treating the victim.

Granted such a sentiment is idealistic. Still you expect these people do there jobs and not let garden variety biases interfere.
Isn't that what you would expect if you were a victim of this crime ?

crankster

Trad climber

South Lake Tahoe, CA

Sep 17, 2013 - 09:27pm PT

Obviously, more to this story than meets the eye.

bit'er ol' guy

climber

the past

Sep 17, 2013 - 11:00pm PT

Don't blame the gun?

ok........

so if there were no hand guns then what?

some psycho calf wrangler woulda jump otta the woods and hog tied the climbers

and

ahhh you know

errrr....like Deliverance.

seriously,

how far is 10 sleep from broke back?

ncrockclimber

climber

The Desert Oven

Sep 17, 2013 - 11:08pm PT

Potrero is closer and safer

LOL! That is just what I thought when I read this. Americans were REAL quick to jump on their soapbox and proclaim EPC the most dangerous place on earth. However, I have yet to hear of a climber having any issues with violence of any sort (let alone getting shot!) in EPC.

I hope that the climber that was shot has a quick recovery and that they catch the worthless POS that did this.

klk

Trad climber

cali

Sep 17, 2013 - 11:12pm PT

all we have are the news reports , and they talk about them hearing "branches breaking." that could easily be a .22, .223 or even a deer round given that folks were sleeping (3am), and who knows what conditions were.

really common in small bore accidents for no one to hear the shot. and not uncommon for deer hunters ti bring along other "fun" weapons and cases of bud lite for after hours practice.

and what does "small calibre" mean in this context? elk/mulie season in tensleep right now? apparently he's ok and didn;t even feel it right away. lucky-- .22 through the heart or spine and katie bar the door.

any number of likely scenarios here, all of them moderately f*#ked up, but none of them involving anything weird. and none of them likely to be touched by any imaginable gun control leg.

mrtropy

Trad climber

Nor Cal

Sep 17, 2013 - 11:12pm PT

What a great welcome to our country, Fuuck in some ways we must seem like the third world,

ms55401

Trad climber

minneapolis, mn

Sep 17, 2013 - 11:14pm PT

drug deal or something

I mean, locals just wouldn't peg some Ecuadorian with small-cal for no reason

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 17, 2013 - 11:20pm PT

yes, Ecuadorian... must have been a drug deal... of course.

Cuz rednecks are responsible gun owners. Hell, some responsible good ol boys in Utah put a round through my friend's VW bus while we were sleeping in it, cuz they were responsibly spot lighting rabbits from a jeep at 3am and didn't see us until he flashed his lights. Then they kindly and responsibly went to shoot into the night somewheres else.

Spider Savage

Mountain climber

The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles

Sep 17, 2013 - 11:24pm PT

Sounds like some drunker shooting in the middle of the night several miles away. Our climbers may have been the victim of stray rounds coming down.

Sound like branches breaking = stray rounds striking around the tent area.

No sound of gunshot = because shooter was miles away.

Small caliber = AR15

Wyoming, er., Earth = Drunks firing weapons in the middle of the night.

That poor redneck trying to steal Donini's bumper sticker. I guess the poor sod didn't have money to buy one new.

Chaz

Trad climber

greater Boss Angeles area

Sep 17, 2013 - 11:58pm PT

Hard to tell what "small caliber" means to the guy who wrote the news story.

The local San Bernardino Fishwrap sometimes calls a .223 a "large caliber" round.

stevep

Boulder climber

Salt Lake, UT

Sep 18, 2013 - 12:07am PT

It's Wyoming. Anything under 357Mag or .45 is small caliber.

Seriously, this sucks. And there have been times when I have been the climber worried about the drunk rednecks.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Sep 18, 2013 - 12:10am PT

Whether the .223 round is small or large caliber depends on which end of it you are at,...

ionlyski

Trad climber

Kalispell, Montana

Sep 18, 2013 - 01:07am PT

Hey, with all bigoted prejudice going on here, I'll jump in the same as you and say it was probably an immigrant Mexican. And I mean it too.

Watched my best friend get knifed in the neck over a pool game by some rough neck immigrant oil workers near Casper when I was a kid.

Anyway's I wouldn't ever say the above except as to make a point. And that is, there are surely a lot of cool and well meaning red necks too in Wyoming or any state.

Dig?

Arne

Wayno

Big Wall climber

Seattle, WA

Sep 18, 2013 - 01:43am PT

Oh, the tragedy, the travesty. I can't believe how reactionary people get to common bad news. Sure it's tough when it hits close to home , but it is a big world with a lot of people that are not doing so well. Beware of desperate situations and keep your powder dry.

Chaz

Trad climber

greater Boss Angeles area

Sep 18, 2013 - 10:02am PT

Mr Wyna writes:

"The small cal is the one that didn't blow his guts out and leave him dead on the spot..
You really think we can't tell the difference by looking at the hole in the guy?"

Caliber is determined by measuring the diameter of the bullet, or by measuring the bore of the gun, not by measuring the diameter of the wound.

If the author was talking about the size of the wound, he would not have used the term "caliber", and then you'd be onto something.

patrick compton

Trad climber

van

Sep 18, 2013 - 10:06am PT

lots of bolts and comfortized holds in Ten Sleep...

... maybe an angry 'ethcial' trad?

Chewybacca

Trad climber

Montana, Whitefish

Sep 18, 2013 - 10:44am PT

WTF said-

nice to see the typical stupid poster gun haters,Then he says- your inability to have a rational conversation with any civility.

Haha, thanks for the morning dose of irony WTF. Lol

Ksolem

Trad climber

Monrovia, California

Sep 18, 2013 - 11:23am PT

The only poster on this thread who makes any sense is Spider Savage.

The US Navy says a .223 round fired out of a 20" barrel elevated at 45 degrees has a carrying range of "more than two miles." I suspect it is considerably more than that. Ron??

The cops probably figured that out right away which would account for the statement that climbers are safe (meaning not targeted.) Assuming they got a bullet out of the climber, getting the shooter by a ballistics match is a long shot (no pun intended) unless someone reports the shooters.

I'm glad to hear he will live to climb another day.

Paul Martzen

Trad climber

Fresno

Sep 18, 2013 - 02:58pm PT

Another possibility is that someone was a long ways away shooting randomly up canyon. The noise of the bullets hitting the trees and branches woke them and then a random bullet struck one of them. This might explain the lack of gunshot noise and the non report of noise from someone fleeing after the shooting.

edit: I see that Spider Savage already suggested this possibility.

michaeld

Sport climber

Sacramento

Sep 18, 2013 - 03:01pm PT

Could have been people above the canyon shooting at targets, not even aware that the bullets missing were falling into the canyon, and the noises they heard in the bushes could have been other rounds hitting around the bushes. And he caught the unlucky one.

patrick compton

Trad climber

van

Sep 18, 2013 - 03:05pm PT

next up on ST crime investigators.....

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 18, 2013 - 03:09pm PT

Could have been people above the canyon shooting at targets, not even aware that the bullets missing were falling into the canyon

Ah yes, gun owners clearly responsible enough to buy and use a gun anytime with little or no training... just out having some innocent fun at 3am... the kind of fun our forefathers envisioned when they wrote the entirely relevant 2nd amendment 200+ years ago.

michaeld

Sport climber

Sacramento

Sep 18, 2013 - 03:15pm PT

Could have been people above the canyon shooting at targets, not even aware that the bullets missing were falling into the canyon

You're a f*#king tool.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 18, 2013 - 03:35pm PT

What, I'm agreeing with you! It could have happened exactly as you stated. In fact, I'd say that is the most likely scenario. Seriously.

I bet this wouldn't have happened if the climbers had been armed. They could have started shooting when they first heard the noises... as a way of politely saying "hey, don't shoot over here... respectfully yours, a fellow gun owner." Not seriously.

The point is, we need more people with easy access to more guns to avoid senseless gun violence... not background checks, mandatory safety classes, and gun regulation.

steve shea

climber

Sep 18, 2013 - 03:50pm PT

I've seen 35 big game hunting seasons come and go. There are unfortunate accidents here in wyo every year. Mostly involving other hunters but sometimes innocent bystanders or wild life. Grizzly attacks on hunting camps or gut piles with people around are not common but happen more often than you would think. So people pack all the time. Add a little beer, maybe hunting success and the wild west atmosphere and bingo, gun accidents.

Ten Sleep canyon is not far out there. There is a small ski area, a lake, a fed fish hatchery and a golf course all in the area. There are several campgrounds and the area is popular as a destination for a lot of different interests. It is one of the main ateries across the Big Horn Basin over the Big Horn Mts to Buffalo, Sheridan and Casper and I-25. This ain't no third world part of wyo. It smells like a hunting season guns beer and ammo event.

Wyo is crawling with a big influx of oil field trash from all over since Dick sold us out for the gas fields west of the Winds. A windfall for Haliburton.

michaeld

Sport climber

Sacramento

Sep 18, 2013 - 04:17pm PT

What, I'm agreeing with you! It could have happened exactly as you stated. In fact, I'd say that is the most likely scenario. Seriously.

I bet this wouldn't have happened if the climbers had been armed. They could have started shooting when they first heard the noises... as a way of politely saying "hey, don't shoot over here... respectfully yours, a fellow gun owner." Not seriously.

The point is, we need more people with easy access to more guns to avoid senseless gun violence... not background checks, mandatory safety classes, and gun regulation.

You may be agreeing, buy you're still a f*#king tool.

jonnyrig

Trad climber

formerly known as hillrat

Sep 18, 2013 - 06:19pm PT

Well, since we,re speculating-
domestic dispute. The girl shot him in the gut over his mention of wanting some other chick to belay him, only she didnt hear the BE. That, or some argument over whether placing trad gear on a sport route is ethical.

The truth may or may not ever come to light, but rest assured it wont alter your passionately preconceived notions regarding firearms.

rwedgee

Ice climber

canyon country,CA

Sep 18, 2013 - 07:27pm PT

"I'd rather be shot with a 223 than an 22 any day. At least the 223 will go through you that 22 round just bounces around in you and tears you up all over."

A .223 55 grain at ~3,400 fps vs a .22 40 grain at ~1,200 fps ??
You have got to be joking. Perhaps the military should switch to .22LR

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 18, 2013 - 07:33pm PT

Yes, I am a tool... I will fix you... just do everything I tell you to do

[Click to View YouTube Video]

wilbeer

Mountain climber

honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys

Sep 18, 2013 - 07:38pm PT

Well said ,Steve Shea,I have been around Ten Sleep ,several times ,climbing,hiking ,hunting and fishing.

Big camps,not to far away from things,a bit of all kinds of traffic.Accidents happen.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 18, 2013 - 07:44pm PT

I am required by law to operate my car in a safe manner in approved areas only, register it, and insure it in case I am involved in an accident.

But alas, God never mentioned cars when he wrote the Constitution. I wonder why not.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Sep 18, 2013 - 07:53pm PT

God never mentioned cars when he wrote the Constitution.

Really?!

sandstone conglomerate

climber

sharon conglomerate central

Sep 18, 2013 - 07:56pm PT

I KNEW god wrote the Constitution

Chaz

Trad climber

greater Boss Angeles area

Sep 18, 2013 - 08:13pm PT

"But alas, God never mentioned cars when he wrote the Constitution."

Read the Tenth Amendment. It's covered there.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 19, 2013 - 12:24pm PT

More info:

The climber shot in Ten Sleep Canyon is recovering in a hospital in Billings, Montana. The Ecuadorian climber, Jose, and his Romanian-American girlfriend, Ana, have offered clarifying information regarding the incident. They wish for their last names to remain anonymous.

The couple was on a climbing vacation in the United States, enjoying the Ten Sleep limestone. They were sleeping by Leigh Creek when, at 2am, a large object fell on their tent, awakening them. Ana turned on her head lamp and looked outside to investigate, finding a thick branch. They assumed it had fallen from the tree above. Minutes later, a larger object fell on their tent. Worried that something even larger may fall on them, the couple turned on their head lamps and left the tent to investigate the situation and seek shelter in the car. Ana identified the second projectile as a grapefruit-sized rock next to the tent.

Upon exiting the tent, Jose was shot and fell to the ground. Ana heard the shot and saw movement in the bushes about 40 feet away, moving quickly toward the road. She describes the shot as “relatively quiet, maybe stifled.”

The bullet hit Jose in the chest, penetrating his lung and breaking several ribs. Local officials investigating the incident believe the caliber used may have been a .22.

The couple believes it was an attack, not a hunting accident. “Considering the branch and rock thrown at our tent, our bright headlamps and our voices, the shooter’s clear line of sight, and his close proximity, it is hard for us to imagine that it was an accident. Deer don’t wear headlamps,” says Ana.

Jose and Ana have no idea as to the motive of the attack, and did not have any altercations with anyone in the area. They emphasize that they harbor no ill feelings toward the people of Ten Sleep, and are focusing their energy on Jose’s recovery. He hopes to get back on the rock as soon as possible.

http://bighornclimbers.org/climber-shot-in-ten-sleep-canyon/

Brandon-

climber

The Granite State.

Sep 19, 2013 - 12:31pm PT

See?

That's useful information. Thanks Wes.

Hoping for a rapid recovery for the injured climber.

Snowmassguy

Trad climber

Calirado

Sep 19, 2013 - 12:43pm PT

Bears are packing now? SMH
Yogi got a gun. The system is failing us.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 19, 2013 - 12:44pm PT

Nope, recipe seems pretty straightforward to me:

2 parts foreigner
1 part redneck
1 part gun
3 parts xenophobia
3 parts racism

Mix together in an ultraconservative bassackwards state.

Chewybacca

Trad climber

Montana, Whitefish

Sep 19, 2013 - 12:56pm PT

In all fairness, Wyoming doesn't hold a monopoly on dumbass bigoted rednecks. They exist in every state (and country) I've lived in or visited.

Hope the victim heals OK.

jonnyrig

Trad climber

formerly known as hillrat

Sep 19, 2013 - 01:13pm PT

Quit making assumptions you pot smoking liberal anti-gun obambie sheeple.

Snowmassguy

Trad climber

Calirado

Sep 19, 2013 - 01:20pm PT

Found the culprit

Brandon-

climber

The Granite State.

Sep 19, 2013 - 01:21pm PT

Being a pot smoking Obama voting gun owning moderate, I feel compelled to tell you to stop making assumptions Hillrat.

dirt claud

Social climber

san diego,ca

Sep 19, 2013 - 01:22pm PT

What makes you think you need to be speaking for minorities all the time? They don't have their own voice? They can't fight their own battles because they are too weak? I know I'm the "brainwashed" conservative here and can't see all the racism, but why not let the other Hispanics or "brown" people as you like to call them, That are on ST defend themselves? Or maybe there aren't that many here to do that, oh no!! Is ST racist that more "brown" people aren't posting?
We have a fookin brain and can fight our own battles, don't need someone (a.k.a. progressive liberal white person) coming in to save us, can survive without you. Can't believe everything is so racial to you people. Even the victims are more understanding and don't just blame the "backwards community of rednecks"
What have you people seen or gone through that is so damaging that everything is about race? Racism exists, but fantasizing about how bad it is does no good. I don't know, perhaps I got really lucky and had to deal with racist or prejudice people every once in a while but never was held back by it, perhaps I'm ignorant to the plight of other minorities who were held back in life do to their race, perhaps I was not "brown" enough to be discriminated against, honestly, I don't know. I just am amazed you gyus are so fascinated by race.

jonnyrig

Trad climber

formerly known as hillrat

Sep 19, 2013 - 01:43pm PT

Tongue-in-cheek. Sorta. Hope the perp gets nailed.

Wish the dude a speedy recovery btw.

Brandon-

climber

The Granite State.

Sep 19, 2013 - 01:44pm PT

Jerbs.

dirt claud

Social climber

san diego,ca

Sep 19, 2013 - 01:45pm PT

Care to elaborate Jebus, or is "your wrong" supposed to convince me? I'm guessing no, because I can't be convinced, right? I'm too brainwashed perhaps, and you don't feel like wasting your time?
If not, then lets hear it? Instead of talking sh#t about race all the time, let's have a "real" conversation about it and stop insulting. What experiences have stuck out in your mind that are valid and show how racist America is? Perhaps if I heard some legitimate stories I might stop being so brainwashed and realize what a racist hell hole I live in. The same people that accuse of so much racism are also the ones that don't care to actually have a real conversation on race, but instead make sh#t up and insult or live in a past which completely ignores the racist history of the Democratic party, the people partly responsible for the Klu Klux Klan, remember?

"Although there was little organizational structure above the local level, similar groups rose across the South and adopted the same name and methods.[18] Klan groups spread throughout the South as an insurgent movement during the Reconstruction era in the United States. As a secret vigilante group, the Klan targeted freedmen and their allies; it sought to restore white supremacy by threats and violence, including murder, against black and white Republicans"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

Hmm" they were going after "freed mena and their allies, "white Republicans", wonder why? Maybe those Republicans weren't racist like them. Wonder what party they belonged to if they were going after black and white Republicans. Hmm couldn't have possibly been the Democrats, no, no way, It's not possible.

zBrown

Ice climber

Brujo de La Playa

Sep 19, 2013 - 01:50pm PT

Ive been involved with at least 10 shooting incidents in the field

So, obviously, what's your kill ratio? Does it vary by center, left, right?

Brandon-

climber

The Granite State.

Sep 19, 2013 - 01:52pm PT

Lets keep race out of this. Everything we write is mere speculation.

As much as I want to write something vaguely cognizant regarding the topic at hand, I'm going to refrain, because anything I write would be either slander, misdirection, or assumption.

I'm making a point of avoiding those sorts of things, because they serve no purpose other than to make me feel good and someone else feel bad.

That's no way to live your life, online or in real time. It should be avoided.

HighTraverse

Trad climber

Bay Area

Sep 19, 2013 - 01:57pm PT

WOW
someone finally went out at got some facts.

No way. He's a brown little drug smuggler illegal, got what he deserved.

That's one likely scenario given what we now know.
This attack was clearly deliberate and likely premeditated.

Whatever his reasoning, the shooter is potentially another Aaron Alexis, but given it is Wyoming, most likely not black but a white redneck.

(hey, I can jump to stereotyped conclusions as fast as the other guy)

Next time I'm out camping in Wyoming I'm gonna pack my .38 revolver, right next to me in the tent. Or remove the Obama 2012 sticker from my car. Or both.

dirt claud

Social climber

san diego,ca

Sep 19, 2013 - 02:36pm PT

I can see I'm dealing with a real intellectual here, alright Jebus, have it your way.
And Brandon, look at who brings race into these threads all the time with remarks like....

"Yeah, you're right, he's brown. Must be guilty. Victimless crime, really."

"Well, we know the shooter wasn't a inner city black teenager in a hoodie..."

"Yep.....it shouldn't surprise you.
I'll be surprised, however, if it turns out to be Nancy Pelosi's butler."

"yes, Ecuadorian... must have been a drug deal... of course."

"No way. He's a brown little drug smuggler illegal, got what he deserved."

Irrelevant statements like this are made every time without anyone making a racist comment to begin with.
I wanted to address this and actually talk about it in hopes of getting somewhere so these threads don't divulge into insults about racism all the time, but I see it's completely useless. Bottom line is, if there really are that many racists on ST why is Chris or admin not getting rid of us? Are they ok with racists on his site. I'm guessing they just realize it's people using it as a way to insult others. If there were "real "racism on this site I would assume they would deal with it properly. People have been banned for less. Maybe the people know there are not" real" racists on here, they just like acting like children with meaningless insults.
It's totally annoying to me too that racial sh#t gets into everything and will end it here so we will get back on topic and keep insulting each other about race.

Brandon-

climber

The Granite State.

Sep 19, 2013 - 02:39pm PT

There's a difference between race and racism.

It seems as if you read too deeply between the lines.

I was writing my thoughts, those words you quoted aren't mine.

dirt claud

Social climber

san diego,ca

Sep 19, 2013 - 03:37pm PT

I never said they were your words Brandon, I apologize if I made it sound that way. Was not trying to.
If you do a quick fly through this thread it is easy to find who made those remarks. I'm not even trying to point fingers at any particular person. You claim that we should "keep race out of this". Your right, we should. But as along as people keep making those types of remarks on any thread they get a chance on, it won't stop. As I said, I realize it's useless to try and have a conversation about race. I admit defeat, you win. I'm not reading between any lines. It may not seam genuine to you, and I don't blame you, you have no idea who I am besides some internet posts, but I genuinely am trying to have a "real" conversation about this so we can stop the childish crap and get somewhere. It was a dumb move on my part, but I am not ashamed of trying at least.

WallMan

Trad climber

Denver, CO

Sep 19, 2013 - 03:46pm PT

For those looking for information on what may have actually happened, a lot of stupid posts here!

Climb on. Wally

abrams

Sport climber

Sep 19, 2013 - 04:08pm PT

additional info released

A tree branch landed on their tent at 2am. Woke up the girlfriend, she
peaked outside with a headlamp

saw the branch and a quiet moon lit forest and nothing, (moon sets 3:30am)
returned to sleeping bags and

minutes later something else heavy hit the tent. Both get out with
headlamps to look.

Saw a fist sized rock had hit the tent.

They see movement in bushes.

Muffled gunshot sound and man is hit in chest.
(perhaps a silencer was used?)

Man has a hole in his chest, he's bleeding, broken rib, lung is penetrated, doctors later remove a bullet. Possibly a .22

scroll down and read the Sept 19 2013 update on this link
posted by the OP

ClimbingNewsUpdate
September 19, 2013 at 1:37 am
http://bighornclimbers.org/climber-shot-in-ten-sleep-canyon/

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 19, 2013 - 04:19pm PT

Good god, those facts were posted earlier this morning!

I genuinely am trying to have a "real" conversation about this so we can stop the childish crap and get somewhere.

There is no "real" conversation to have about this. It sucks... that is the only "real" thing we have to discuss. Oh, and the fact that it looks very much like an attack. Oh, and that the victim is a foreigner in an area dominated by xenophobic crackers.

There are things we know we know... those have been posted. There are things we don't know... but based on the fact that over 97% of the population in that area is white, it is a pretty safe bet the shooter was white.

Dude was a foreigner in WY. It ain't too far fetched to assume he stood out. I'm guessing the attention a foreigner attracts up there, especially a brown one, ain't all that positive.

I know a few brown skinned folks who grew up in WY. They are hella good fighters and can take a hell of a beating. Want to venture a guess as to why? That's right, the rednecks would beat the sh#t out of them on a regular basis because they were brown. Same thing happened to my brown friends near Toole, UT and La Verkin, UT.

How far is Ten Sleep from Laramie? Anyone remember Mathew Shepard?

But yeah, stop making assumptions about the good folks in Wyoming... the vast majority of whom are white.

Remember the savage Peruvians who attacked those poor folks from WY? Remember how it must have been the Peruvian's fault because they asked for papers and the visitors wouldn't provide them? This is entirely different... that was hostility towards white travelers who refused to identify themselves, this is just some random event that has nothing to do with the fact that the victim is a brown foreigner minding his own business at 2:00am in an accepted camping area.

Snowmassguy

Trad climber

Calirado

Sep 19, 2013 - 04:40pm PT

Yep...WHITEY DID IT. Why, because all white folks are rayciss. In fact, if you live in WY, you are rayciss. So says white boy christ.

Yep it was Chaney but I know Bush was somehow behind this crime.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 19, 2013 - 04:45pm PT

Snowmass, learn to read. I never said ALL white people are racist. I never even said all white people in WY are racist. Fact remains, over 97% of the people in that area are white... chances are pretty good that the shooter was white. I've spent enough time working and playing up there to KNOW there are plenty of racists to go around. And anything darker than a ghost is considered colored up there.

And you don't need ALL white folks to be racist/xenophobic for this sh#t to happen... just one... and I ASSURE you, there are FAR FAR FAR more than that up there.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 19, 2013 - 04:49pm PT

No, I'm sure the local tribes are well aware of the demographics. At less than 5% of the population, it is hard not to be aware of it. My brown friends found refuge on "the res"... cuz when you get your ass kicked for the color of your skin, it is best to hang around in groups.

Brandon-

climber

The Granite State.

Sep 19, 2013 - 05:39pm PT

What a fun thread.

It's so predictable.

Jebus speaks the voice of reason, Ron argues with everything, and Wes pushes buttons.

crankster

Trad climber

South Lake Tahoe, CA

Sep 19, 2013 - 05:41pm PT

Once a thread is "Ron'd", it's over.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 19, 2013 - 05:43pm PT

What Rong, you've never been jumped and beaten while walking down the street minding your own business? Oh, that's right, you are white, grew up in Carson City (or similar small town) back when white was the city color, and stuck to your own kind.

I'm guessing you and your buddies jumped more than one "punk" or "mexican" or "fag" or whatever. Of course I could be wrong, but I would be surprised if I am.

dirt claud

Social climber

san diego,ca

Sep 19, 2013 - 05:57pm PT

"Jebus speaks the voice of reason,...."

After reading this it's no wonder that is the response I got from you Brandon, that explains a lot, thanks.

Brandon-

climber

The Granite State.

Sep 19, 2013 - 06:06pm PT

Really?

That I side with someone who doesn't seem to fly off the handle and and states things in an intelligent manner explains a lot about me?

Now I'm confused. Care to extrapolate?

dirt claud

Social climber

san diego,ca

Sep 19, 2013 - 06:14pm PT

Not really, keep being confused, that's fine with me. Where is me explaining anything to you from my side going to get us? no where?

Brandon-

climber

The Granite State.

Sep 19, 2013 - 06:35pm PT

Jebus, you're not really helping me prove a point. Say something smart.

Seriously though, this tragic event has been dragged down into another junk show pissing contest sort of argument.

Lets not disrespect a tragic event by projecting whatever it is that we want to argue about onto it. Ok?

Details are sketchy, so all we are doing is guessing.

Edit; I hate to do it, but you really gave up your lack of literary skills back there Ron. Extrapolate is a correct word to use, as is expound, or explain for that matter. I'm trying to be nice, but I really have to ask if there is a community college nearby. You could use the knowledge and they could use the business. It's a win-win situation. Go for it!

Brandon-

climber

The Granite State.

Sep 19, 2013 - 06:44pm PT

I have no idea what happened, I wasn't there.

It would be wrong to just blindly guess as to what happened without any facts to back up my theory.

Brandon-

climber

The Granite State.

Sep 19, 2013 - 07:13pm PT

Later Ron. Your speeling is bad and I've got to go meet a beautiful woman. Peace!

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 19, 2013 - 07:33pm PT

D) no reports of other climbers in the area.

Actually, there are reports of other climbers in the area.

E) other climbers in the area imo should be interviewed thoroughly.

According to one source who knows all, there were "D) no reports of other climbers in the area" so who do you suggest they interview thoroughly?

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 19, 2013 - 07:51pm PT

those were just mental processes

And we are all very proud... surprised, but proud!

zBrown

Ice climber

Brujo de La Playa

Sep 19, 2013 - 07:54pm PT

Sounds like the rock, had it been more accurately thrown, would have done more damage the the small caliber gun. The tree limb not so much. I had one hit me the other day and it didn't require a trip to the ER.

When is the thrower/shooter/branch chucker going to be lynched.

Were any laws broken there in Why-oming?

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Sep 19, 2013 - 07:59pm PT

Laws broken in Wyoming....hell no! The guy was a latino AND he was sleeping with a woman he wasn't married to.

zBrown

Ice climber

Brujo de La Playa

Sep 19, 2013 - 11:11pm PT

Not to be too contrarian, but I would say "a full blood Mexican" is one who is not a full crip Mexican.

The crips are the ones whose color(s) are blue, whilst the bloods are those whose color(s) are red or vice versa.

Heaven forbid that a full blood and full crip were to get to get together and have, obviously an-illegitimate, baby. A fully crippled blood? A bloody crip?

What to do with a blue-blood is left to the reader.

Snowmassguy

Trad climber

Calirado

Sep 19, 2013 - 11:17pm PT

End result ....I hope they find the D**K wad that did this. At that point, we can have a good session of I told you so.

command error

Trad climber

Colorado

Sep 19, 2013 - 11:51pm PT

Does this have the stink of an assassination?

Someone stalked and expertly flushed an unsuspecting human being out into the open then shot him.

Could have shot into the tent obviously but did not.

So the shooter took cold blooded actions to get a clear target.
Not a clumsy drive by.
And only one shot. Why not shoot more?

Poaching mind set of only one shot? Or sniper mindset one shot one kill?

klk

Trad climber

cali

Sep 20, 2013 - 12:09am PT

Does this have the stink of an assassination?

lol

yeah, expert hit squad-- stand outside the tent armed with a .22. when the target comes out, throw a rock, shoot him once in the torso (with a .22), and then run away.

good thing the store was out of air rifles.

wtf. the entire story is getting weirder as we go.

dave729

Trad climber

Western America

Sep 20, 2013 - 01:08am PT

This is horrible. Hope they get him soon before he tries to kill again.
He may be a local hunter with valid game tags.
And have a silenced .22 and maybe he's shown it to his buddies.
He may know the area well and could be suspected of poaching.
Perhaps he's been cruising forest roads at night
with night vision gear and a silenced rifle for some time taking game illegally.

Or not.
It is really weird.

dave729

Trad climber

Western America

Sep 20, 2013 - 01:16am PT

Up here the fbi gets after them. Doing stuff down south would seem smarter
if that was what it is.

Authorities will acquire cell phone ping data for towers serving Wyoming road 16 to see who was on it at time of shooting.

Maybe evan search for phones that went dark (turned off) strangely
during that time in criminal effort to avoid tracking to the crime scene
east or west of the Big Horn National Forest. A good job for some rookies
just out of the academy.

Deekaid

climber

Sep 20, 2013 - 11:54am PT

Military style LUP's with EENT position change to ambush the back-trail will become the norm. Also night long 50% security

klk

Trad climber

cali

Sep 20, 2013 - 12:03pm PT

klk -fellow climber ambushed and shot and you lol.

the "lol" was at the ridiculous suggestion by another poster (which i quoted) that the shooting "smelled" like an assassination.

since the story as reported in the press is at odds with what seemed the likeliest explanation (drunken hunters playing stupid games with their target shooters after bar time), i wouldn't begin to place odds on the likeliest scenario without knowing a whole lot more.

Snowmassguy

Trad climber

Calirado

Sep 20, 2013 - 02:17pm PT

This unfortunate situation is just plain weird.

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Sep 20, 2013 - 02:28pm PT

Conjecture is fun, and creative n'sh#t, but I hope we hear the real story some day...

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 20, 2013 - 03:01pm PT

As the Jebus would say... durp!

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 20, 2013 - 03:03pm PT

Yeah, compare that to the folks from WY that got beaten in Peru... something about Green Beret buddies and revenge and stuff.

Fuk I love rednecks.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 20, 2013 - 03:06pm PT

Layin down on the job... sniffing the finger you just pulled out of your ass... I assume it was your ass

dave729

Trad climber

Western America

Sep 20, 2013 - 03:15pm PT

Still unbelievably weird but I'm ready to be surprised.

Everyone knows they can determine if a bullet wound was self inflicted.
Propellent residue coats everything at arms length.

Washakie County authorities would have done the test to victim and girlfriend and it must be negative. Else why the ongoing investigation?

plasticmullet

climber

Sep 20, 2013 - 03:38pm PT

The guy had been pressuring the girl for anal sex for months, to no avail. While camping there the night before, she says look, if you send that 12b route tomorrow with no falls on sight (knowing full well the route is way above his level) he can take her. But if he fails, no more talk about it period. He agrees. Well, next day pumped with excitement, the dude sends. Girl cannot believe it and freaks. Bantering back and forth goes on all day re his promised anal exploration opportunity. Bantering turns to arguing. It escalates as she wants nothing to do with his little butt warrior, she gets pissed, shoots dude. She freaks and now promises to give guy anal for sure is he keeps his mouth shut and goes with falling stuff onto tent, shot by unknown assailant as they run to car from falling stuff. He agrees.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 20, 2013 - 03:40pm PT

Hmmm, well, I'll be damned... turns out WY is the least tolerant state in the Union according to this study.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/01/16/ranking-the-most-tolerant-and-least-tolerant-states.html

I'm sure the wound was self-inflicted... or the girlfriend... or some unlucky accident involving responsible gun owners who happen to be shooting into the dark far, far away from the victim. I'm sure it had nothing to do with a dark skinned foreigner visiting a place that is 97% white and renowned for harboring white supremacists.

“The Ten Sleep area is very nice and we hope to come back to the area again,” Deaconu said. “We want the people of Ten Sleep to know we do not hold this against anyone there."

vs.

Something about going back to Peru and shooting up the place with his green beret buddies. Donate now to help us repair our vehicle.

Keep it classy WY.

blahblah

Gym climber

Boulder

Sep 20, 2013 - 04:46pm PT

Washakie County authorities would have done the test to victim and girlfriend and it must be negative. Else why the ongoing investigation?

Could be strategic misdirection--wouldn't necessarily take anything at face value here.

command error

Trad climber

Colorado

Sep 20, 2013 - 04:48pm PT

Boys, were talking about Wyoming here. They are total experts in all things firearms.

So they must have tested the girlfriend for GSR also.
Although tape-lift samples from a climbers hands could contain
so many dirt particles that gunshot-residue will be difficult to pick out.

And don't forget the touch DNA analysis on the branch and the rock allegedly thrown at the tent. 5 or 6 skin cells and they can
sequence the dna of who ever touched them.
http://www.forensicmag.com/articles/2010/12/touch-dna

Branscomb

Trad climber

Lander, WY

Sep 20, 2013 - 05:00pm PT

I hate to tell you all this, but Dick Cheney is coming to the Lander One Shot Antelope Hunt this year.

Everybody hide.

Hoser

climber

vancouver

Sep 20, 2013 - 06:10pm PT

Girl cannot believe it and freaks

pfft, doubtful, all chicks love taking it down the dirt road, they just like to appear innocent..."well my last boyfriend begged and...''' pfft ya right, you love it.

Your scenario is wrong, most likely you are just a typical climber who wishes he could date a city girl but is stuck with the granola humpers

never the less, somethings wrong, most likely she shot him for some other reason

zBrown

Ice climber

Brujo de La Playa

Sep 20, 2013 - 06:11pm PT

I've seen nothing presented here that demonstrates that this guy:

1. Was In Wyoming
2. Was shot
3. Is or was an Ecuadorian
4. was a climber
5. Had a girl friend
6. Was, or contemplated, becoming a mule
7. Could distinguih a rock from a branch
8. Owned or had in his possession a tent
9. Knew Why-oming from Honduras

Chaz

Trad climber

greater Boss Angeles area

Sep 20, 2013 - 08:14pm PT

What's the purpose of the fee, besides a shakedown?

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 20, 2013 - 08:31pm PT

The Powell Tribune reports that Jose Mosquera (MOHS'-kehr-uh) is being treated at a hospital in Billings, Mont., where he is in stable condition.

Dang, that sure is a funny name. We best put the prununciation after it so common (white) folks (over 97% of are reeders) know how to say it.

crankster

Trad climber

South Lake Tahoe, CA

Sep 20, 2013 - 08:54pm PT

Amen, tioga. No facts don't stop this crowd.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2013 - 01:22pm PT

First what? "Accidental" shooting? Visit by a foreigner? Attempted murder fueled by xenophobia?

And by "authorities of Ten Sleep" you mean Mr. Lowry who works at the fish hatchery?

Jan

Mountain climber

Okinawa, Japan

Sep 21, 2013 - 04:32pm PT

You guys are a riot!
Thanks for a great laugh!

Wade Icey

Trad climber

www.alohashirtrescue.com

Sep 21, 2013 - 04:36pm PT

zBrown

Ice climber

Brujo de La Playa

Sep 22, 2013 - 11:06pm PT

Watch out, you're gonna hit that dog

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Boards/379/29379/359629.jpg

couchmaster

climber

pdx

Oct 17, 2013 - 09:14am PT

The Ecuadorians have returned home. What a close call that was for Jose, who thankfully looks like he's going to recover quickly and fully. Here's to hope that they catch and successfully prosecute the person responsible.

jonnyrig

Trad climber

formerly known as hillrat

Oct 17, 2013 - 12:45pm PT

Apparently the climber and his girl found my earlier comment speculating that the girl was responsible to be quite offensive. So, apologies there- it was not meant to be serious, but maybe that was lost in translation.

Im curious though, as to whether you will get notification if/when the responsible party is located now that you,ve returned home, and how international medical billing gets handled. Maybe you could keep us posted here at Supertopo regarding these and the victim,s recovery? Thanks

WyoRockMan

climber

South Fork of the Shoshone

Oct 26, 2015 - 11:27am PT

At last, an end to the wild speculation.

I hope Jose and Ana will get some consolation out of the arrest.

http://www.wyodaily.com/story/2015/10/24/news/montana-murder-suspect-charged-for-2013-ten-sleep-canyon-shooting/742.html

couchmaster

climber

Oct 26, 2015 - 11:41am PT

Called it last July

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2240122&tn=0&mr=0

overwatch

climber

Oct 26, 2015 - 11:48am PT

Good one Couchmaster

BJ go back to link bottom previous page

couchmaster

climber

Oct 26, 2015 - 11:52am PT

BJ quizzed:

"Your link isn't that explanatory. Did Jesus Deniz Mendoza cop to the Ten Sleep shooting? "

You can try reading it twice BJ. But S...L...O...W...L...Y. And cue the Perry Mason music in the background the 2nd time to help you focus:-)

Good luck!

skcreidc

Social climber

SD, CA

Oct 26, 2015 - 11:55am PT

Yea BJ. Jesus copped to it. Apparently he was jonesing heavily and needed money.

overwatch

climber

Oct 26, 2015 - 01:10pm PT

orale!

thebravecowboy

climber

The Good Places

Oct 26, 2015 - 01:12pm PT

besides the jumpsuit and the sullen look, what about him, Burch?

That's right, people that are five foot nine and three quarters inches, that it!!!! Gotta watch them FN3/4s, eh?

couchmaster

climber

Oct 26, 2015 - 04:22pm PT

Mark M said, quote:

"I get it jackass that you figured out the Jesus angle, but you sure didn't link to the latest news."

Hey Mark, I thought that I said that lighthearted and teasingly, not snarky like you think. Anyway, the earlier link just upthread had all the info if you go back and click it. I was going off of that and didn't think I needed to repost (before my post) Wyrockmans link. Take a cleansing breath will ya:-)

The link had this, quote -

"Deniz continued, “I shot him. I heard him cry out in pain. Then, when I was driving back to Worland, I saw them pass me. He was holding his hand there. I was like ‘OK.’ Back then, I was fiending (craving drugs) bad. I needed money and that was the only quick way I could get money.”

Deniz told authorities that he did not take any money during the incident and immediately regretted shooting Araujo.

Deniz said he needed money for drugs.

The affidavit concludes, “By Jesus’ own admission, he was the person who shot Jose Araujo the morning of Sept. 16, 201,3 due to the fact that Jesus knew specific details of the case such as where the shooting happened, luring Jose and Ana out of the tent, shooting Jose and leaving in a panic, and knowing the vehicle which was driven by Ana and Jose on the way to the hospital. These specific details were never released to the media or the public.”

In the coming days, Deniz will be formerly served with the Washakie County charges, but he may never see the inside of a Washakie County Courtroom.

That’s because if Deniz is convicted for the murder charges, the mandatory minimum sentence is life imprisonment and federal jurisdiction takes precedent over state jurisdiction, according to Washakie County John Worrall. If he is found innocent, Deniz will then face charges in Washakie County for the shooting. The maximum penalty for attempted second degree murder is 20 years imprisonment, a fine of $10,000 or both.

Deniz is also facing the death penalty for the Montana murder charges.

A trial date for the federal murder charges has not been set."

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Oct 26, 2015 - 04:26pm PT

I needed money and that was the only quick way I could get money.”

Damn! I wasted all that time working? Sh!t!

NutAgain!

Trad climber

South Pasadena, CA

Oct 26, 2015 - 05:14pm PT

I wonder if mental illness is at play here: aside from the capacity to commit a crime, perhaps an inability to recognize or care about the consequences of what he says when questioned, and perhaps he was questioned in a leading way.... Maybe getting the admission was an easy way to close the case in WY? Or maybe the simplest explanation is that the confession is legit.

In any case, there was a comment in the other thread re: Hill-Burton for getting medical expenses paid if you can't afford to pay. Apparently that program ended in 1997 and only ~150 hospitals across the nation still have a leftover obligation in relation to it. No hospitals in Wyoming have that obligation today.
http://www.hrsa.gov/gethealthcare/affordable/hillburton/facilities.html

To the folks from Ecuador- good luck with recovering and dealing with the financial consequences of all this.

ms55401

Trad climber

minneapolis, mn

Oct 26, 2015 - 05:34pm PT

Jesus Deniz allegedly told federal investigators that he wounded an Ecuadorian man in Ten Sleep Canyon

thebravecowboy

climber

The Good Places

Oct 26, 2015 - 10:04pm PT

See Jim it's because Jesus is 5 foot 9 3/4. F*#king guy.

crankster

Trad climber

No. Tahoe

Oct 26, 2015 - 10:26pm PT

It's ok to be right on an issue, on occasion, Jim.

phylp

Trad climber

Upland, CA

Oct 27, 2015 - 08:30am PT

This was such an upsetting story when it first came out. It's great that the shooter is now in jail. Kudos to Couchmaster who saw the link a while ago and made the effort to do something constructive.

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Oct 27, 2015 - 08:45am PT

Wait, I haven't followed this closely enough, was the perp caught because of couchmaster?
If so then good for him but a dope slap to the cops.

WyoRockMan

climber

South Fork of the Shoshone

Oct 27, 2015 - 09:21am PT

The FBI did the sleuthing, whether or not Couchmaster's (correct) theory made it from the Sheriff or WHP to the FBI is unknown.

When I posted this update on MP, Ana (one of the victims in Tensleep) mentioned it was the first she and Jose had heard of it and then called the Washakie Sheriff for an update. I'd have thought they may have made a bit of an effort to contact the victims once the perp was caught, but it isn't surprising.

Good on ya Couchmaster for being proactive, I'm happy to give you the kudos for figuring it out.

Jan

Mountain climber

Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa

Oct 27, 2015 - 10:02am PT

Actually, ST members have quite a good record of being proactive. I remember another story of a climber helping police recover stolen climbing gear. And then there's all the lost gear that's found and returned. No passive handwringers here.

Braunini

Big Wall climber

cupertino

Nov 1, 2015 - 11:02pm PT

It's embarrassing to be a Canadian pointing you in this direction.

and it should be but not for the reason you think

ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber

ne'er–do–well

Dec 23, 2015 - 10:18pm PT

Bump

WyoRockMan

climber

Grizzlyville, WY

Feb 23, 2016 - 06:14pm PT

latest news:

http://billingsgazette.com/news/crime/attorneys-fighting-competency-exam-for-man-charged-in-pryor-killings/article_6c235141-d91a-53fc-9b83-ea4b7a46ae36.html

couchmaster

climber

Feb 23, 2016 - 06:23pm PT

Looks like they are prosecuting him for shooting the Peruvian climber. Quote last paragraph:

"Mendoza faces a separate accusation of attempted second-degree murder in Washakie County, Wyo., where authorities say he shot a man at a campground near the small town of Ten Sleep during a 2013 robbery attempt."

They're saying robbery attempt? It would be interesting to see what his youth criminal record looked like. He evidently came into the country from Mexico a while back.