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Crazy Bat
Sport climber
Birmingham, AL & Seweanee, TN
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Aug 18, 2013 - 08:02pm PT
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I was in Yosemite in July. A ranger there was tellling us that they now have a bear that has learned that they have a bear that has learned to fling the cannisters off a cliff, where it breaks. He/she then goes to the bottom of the cliff and pigs out.
My brother was telling me that he went to Alaska recently. Their take was way different. They piled the food in a pile, put the pots and pans on it, then kept a riffle close. Of course they are dealing with grizzlies, and planned a warning shot.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 18, 2013 - 08:10pm PT
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In Alaska all we had to do was rack a round of solid shot into the 12 gauge.
They know what that means.
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Aug 18, 2013 - 08:19pm PT
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My current research on bear deterring is on Polar Bear rifles filled with the right kind of buckshot/rubber bullets to warn them off but no intent to greviously harm or kill. Planning a Northwest Passage next year assuming global warming continues to cooperate. Apparently traditional bear spray is a ha ha to the Polar Bears
Interestingly enough my research indicates that they are strongly recommended to be carried in some parts of the passage. And I felt burdened by bear cannisters.
Guess I'll have to get cozy with my local firing range.
Susan
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 18, 2013 - 08:27pm PT
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Susan, just use a Very on the Whiteys, with a high cal backup.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Aug 18, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
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Susan,
Yack with me before you go regarding bears in the arctic. Jonathon Waterman also had his share of run ins when he kayaked the NW Passage over two summers. His book about it is great. You have to read it.
We conversed back and forth a bunch when he was writing his book about the Arctic Refuge.
I'm not sure about polar bears. They are pretty curious. Actual attacks on humans are rare, but I always recommend the 12 gauge with slugs. Bring along some bird shot and maybe you will be able to snarf some waterfowl.
Here is my setup:
The concoction is one part tang to 3 parts soy protein. A buddy of mine invented it and we call it Soylent Orange. It tastes like orange sorbet, and works well. Breakfast of champions.
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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Aug 18, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
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Rangers have stopped and asked to see my canister, fwiw, and also ticketed a friend of mine who had an uncanistered bottle of booze on the top of his haulbag @ the base of Liberty Cap.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Aug 18, 2013 - 08:40pm PT
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Personally, I find the requirement to obtain a permit to go into the wilderness revolting.
I agree. If they want a permit, it ain't wilderness anymore.
The only exception was Cabeza Prieta NWR. You had to sign your life away because it is covered with military debris like unexploded things that go boom.
I won't go there anymore. The illegals have trashed it, and the border patrol is everywhere. I bet Ed would want his remains to be relocated. It is covered with empty plastic water bottles.
You get to walk through parts of the Barry Goldwater Gunnery Range. That is kind of cool.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Aug 18, 2013 - 08:46pm PT
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Yes you need one.
You can usually rent them from the rangers where you get your permit. I know they have them at Wawona and the interagency center at Lone Pine.
Be a man and get your own. They are awesome. I use my Bear Vault even when there are no bears. In the snow you can sit on them.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Aug 18, 2013 - 09:15pm PT
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A bear canister saves the time it takes to setup a tree hang. Not to mention the lost sleep when a bear starts swiping at your bear piņata at 2AM.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Aug 18, 2013 - 11:19pm PT
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Susan, just use a Very on the Whiteys, with a high cal backup.
Hmmm. Those guys will attack helicopters. Anything less than a tactical nuclear weapon is pointless.
Face-to-face with a white bear was probably the most memorable moment of my life.
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Onewhowalksonrocks
Mountain climber
In the middle of the ocean
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2013 - 01:22am PT
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So, No one around has one to loan or rent.
I am not going to bring my tent. Which I don't like to carry. But, maybe ??
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 19, 2013 - 02:09am PT
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Face-to-face with a white bear was probably the most memorable moment of my life.
Ditto, although being kissed by a deer was right up there.
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Aug 19, 2013 - 02:13am PT
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Face-to-face with a white bear was probably the most memorable moment of my life.
Oh .... More than enough reason to stay on board!!!!
Mark, will definitely chat up with you about the beta of NW Passage! Thanks
Soylent Orange . Looks like its sitting on the bear canister with a rifle behind it??? Is that the offering to the bear to stay outta the canister....kinda carrot and stick stuff?
Susan
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Aug 19, 2013 - 02:44am PT
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So, No one around has one to loan or rent.
Am not trying to be rude, but why would anyone want to loan/rent equipment, that's replacement value is at least $70+, to someone they don't know, who is not willing to pay a deposit? Plus, hooking up to give/send it to you and get it back involves time and effort.
There are lots of services already available. Your gas getting there is many times more than bear canister rental.
If you want to rent light, look here - http://www.wild-ideas.net/rent-a-bearikade/
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aguacaliente
climber
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Aug 19, 2013 - 02:51am PT
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You can rent a bear canister from ranger stations that issue wilderness permits, some REI stores, and maybe other outdoor stores.
If you're willing to carry the bear canister, the rental cost should be a minor issue. It's much less than gas or food money.
I understand that wilderness permits are annoying, but get on a popular trail in the Sierra and you understand why they are a good idea, to keep people from loving the place to death. On an unpopular trail or at a less-crowded time, like after Labor Day, the permits become a non-issue since they don't fill up.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Aug 19, 2013 - 01:16pm PT
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Then put together an old fashioned hang. . . with a rock bag and some stuff bags. . . you can make all that yourself.
Hanging doesn't cut the mustard anymore. Bears are smart.
The point of the bear canister is not to protect your food from the bear. No. Nobody cares if you lose your food and ruin your trip.
The point is to protect the bear from your food. A fed bear is a dead bear. Rangers don't like shooting bears. If a bear gets your food, they should make you personally shoot the bear.
The canisters work.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Aug 19, 2013 - 03:53pm PT
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No hang is bear resistant in this day and age. The PCT thruhikers like to kid themselves, because they're too lazy to carry a can.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Aug 19, 2013 - 04:12pm PT
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A lazy thru-hiker?
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