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splitter
Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Jan 24, 2014 - 02:14pm PT
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"Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails." NASB
"Charity sufferith long, charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinkith no evil; Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, edureth all things. Charity never faileth." KJV
Mouse - "fear the lord" -- that is intertwined with love and reverence. i'm pretty sure that you loved and revered your father, Boomer. i also believe you feared him in a positive way...respected him.
shortly after i turned seven, i was playing down by the river, took out this old rowboat we found abandoned on the shore and it sunk with me in it. the other kids new how to swim, i didn't. i woke up on my grandmas couch and was to sick to get up from it for over a week. my father told me to stay away from the river.
we moved to new york from cape breton and rented a place across the street from a river. i was told not to go near the river. one day after school i followed a couple friends over to the docks. we were doing some fairly sketchy things (especially for a kid who still didn't know how to swim) but were having a hell of a lot of fun. a street/beat cop ended up taking me home (the other kids lived further away). my dad whipped my ass good. i never went down by the river again. he did it because he loved me. if he didn't care, i would have certainly disobeyed him again. might not be here to share this with you.
god works the same way. he is our heavenly father. i got my assed whipped a few times by him over the years. i had plenty of warnings. he is very patient. i'm also glad that he did. i am pretty certain that i wouldn't be here if he hadn't.
edit: - "the fear of the lord is the beginning of knowledge." -- i believe i have become a little wiser over the years fearing god. he warns you through your heart/conscience. i have become wiser, following his word. but we wander*. because if i should not heed my conscious, particularly regarding things i have already been chastised for, i know the eventual outcome.
some people have severed consciences. with many negative outcomes to them, their friends, aquaintences and loved ones and society at large.
you can call your conscience fear i suppose (if i were to call it anything, i would call it love). its a warning, red light, alarm of danger ahead. some consequences are immediate, others play out over time. some will determine where you spend eternity.
*'but we wander' - edited in.
 we all encounter stop lights/red lights. we don't fear them. i suppose you could even call them your friend. you start to disobey them. do something that we know we shouldn't be doing. not only our conscience, but the law tells us not to do. and get to running red lights, or maybe just one particular red light. perhaps on a daily basis. you damn well better fear them/it. because sooner, or later it will most likely result in a an unfortunate outcome. you might get a warning. a ticket. second will be a larger ticket. cud eventually end up in jail. maybe you finally learned your lesson. if not, and you get out and continue to run that same red light... well, i think you know of what could tragically happen. heeding that red light, obeying it, would be a wise decision (wisdom).
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bigbird
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WA
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Jan 25, 2014 - 06:38am PT
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Sorry to take the punch away from the party but...
Love is a love is construct of the human mind...
Love is just a mixture of neurons firing and chemical reactions happening at the same time....
and to be fair, humans are likely not meant to be monogamous either, like 95% of all mammals...
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7SacredPools
Trad climber
Guelph, Ontario, Canada
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Jan 25, 2014 - 08:18am PT
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For most of human history we have lived in very small interdependent groups that cared for and loved each other. Our survival depended on it.
Being able to love more than one person is in our genes and to remain monogamous is truly against our nature. We just have a hard time admitting and accepting that.
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splitter
Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Jan 25, 2014 - 01:00pm PT
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bigbird,
Survival may be a construct of the human mind/neurons, chemicals, etc! Sacrifice, self sacrifice, I would say comes from the heart. "Greater love has no one than this, to lay down his life for his friends." And who are our friends? "Love your neighbor as you love yourself." Believer's know that our neighbors are anyone we come in contact with.
Might be easy to say you'd be willing to give your life for someone else. Even someone you didn't even know existed until minutes before. That is what Christ says is the greatest sacrifice of all. Essentially, it is what He is asking of all believers, should they be called to do so. I think someone has to actually be put into that situation to know for sure. I would hope that more believers than nonbelievers would be wiling to do so. To enter harms way on behalf of another. Many people have. But, all people who have been in the situation haven't. Maybe their neurons aren't as evolved, or their chemicals were running lower at the moment than those who did, eh?
edit: "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." His spirit is in our heart, and if we're walking with Him, he is in control of the situation. Fear and doubt shouldn't even enter the equation.
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Jan 25, 2014 - 01:29pm PT
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 25, 2014 - 05:15pm PT
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Learn how to love yourself first.
Once you get the hang of it, you will be confident enough to love someone else unconditionally...
Truer words have never been spoken. It's coincidental, as I was telling my partner the same thing today. She has anxiety in social situations and my best guess is that she needs to find a way to bolster her self confidence/perception of self.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jan 25, 2014 - 06:31pm PT
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A commitment for the lifetime simply means your neurons are firing on all cylinders.
Anything less is enjoyable for the moment, at least.
We have free will and if you feel good about spending the rest of your life as a partner then I would suggest trying it.
We are not natural beings any longer, as in the animal world.
We have been set apart from them by our brains. When we say we love nature we are the really odd species simply because we are easily awed and have IMAGINATION, which ants lack, if you ask me.
I imagine that I love you all or do I actually?
Love is a big, encompassing word, isn't it, for a four-letter one?
"I love that picture ^^^ of the word LOVE!"
[Click to View YouTube Video]And what of the word SOUL? Is this an illusion, a fantasy? O fer sure, fer sure. But enjoy the fantasy while you live and love, there may be no yesterdays to remember tomorrow.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 25, 2014 - 06:37pm PT
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Good words, Mouse.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jan 25, 2014 - 06:41pm PT
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And the picture's just chopped liver? You PIG! I'm cutting you off, Brandon!
That's what she said.
I'm sayin' thanks.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 25, 2014 - 06:48pm PT
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Huh?
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splitter
Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Jan 25, 2014 - 08:19pm PT
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I believe love is the most powerful force in the universe.
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weezy
climber
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Jan 25, 2014 - 08:41pm PT
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I believe love is the most powerful force in the universe.
i think there's some black holes out there that could prove you wrong.
love is a battlefield - p. benatar
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splitter
Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Jan 25, 2014 - 08:51pm PT
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Love created those black holes.
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7SacredPools
Trad climber
Guelph, Ontario, Canada
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Jan 25, 2014 - 09:39pm PT
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Interesting concept.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jan 25, 2014 - 10:08pm PT
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I loved Oakland over San Francisco as places to be.
There just happens to be a Black Hole there.
Welcome to it, Fader Rans.
Party's over long ago.
Love football.
Hate Al.
Love to all,
MFM
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bigbird
climber
WA
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Jan 26, 2014 - 01:00am PT
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I believe love is the most powerful force in the universe.
False.... Electromagnetism (edit: strong nuclear force) is.....
someone skipped physics class....
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bigbird
climber
WA
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Jan 26, 2014 - 03:02am PT
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ever heard of the strong nuclear force?
My bad, admittedly my last physics class was a long time ago, My field of study is technically economics, not physics...
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splitter
Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Jan 26, 2014 - 11:20am PT
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bigbird - someone skipped physics class. I studied graduate level neurophysiology and neuroanatomy, kinesiology etc, courses. All of my profs had PHD's from either Berkely or Stanford. I doubt they would have let me into the program if I had skipped any of my prerequisite physics courses.
Looks like your the one who has skipped something. Otherwise you have the spiritual knowledge and experience to know that, "All things are possible with God." God's power is manifest in his presence. And when that Presence enters into your life, there are no doubts of what he is capable of. Capable of not only creating 'black holes', but the whole universe.
BTW, "God is Love."
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