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eKat

Trad climber
Jul 6, 2014 - 08:51pm PT
http://www.nps.gov/depo/planyourvisit/reds-meadow-and-devils-postpile-shuttle-information.htm

You can drive in BEFORE 7a and AFTER 7p, but it costs you ten bux.
Psilocyborg

climber
Jul 6, 2014 - 09:02pm PT
EKat, the way I read that is the only way you are driving in there during shuttle season is before 7, after 7, AND ONLY if you fall under one of those listed exceptions. Correct me if I am wrong though
QITNL

climber
Jul 6, 2014 - 11:21pm PT
At some point, we may wish to consider: the search for an object we cannot find becomes a search for ourselves.

If I were in Matthew's shoes, I would encourage this search. I don't care if you find me, I want you to find yourselves.

Enjoy the peaks and passes, summits and lakes. Swat at mosquitoes just as I did.

I would wish you solid rock, fresh water, clear skies, good luck.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Jul 7, 2014 - 06:34am PT
Psilocyborg.....yes, just drive in before 7 a.m., park at the trailhead of your choice, and hike in.

When you come out, and drive back up the hill, if it is before 7 p.m. you will have to pay the entrance fee...10 bucks. If it is after 7 p.m., the kiosk will be unmanned, and you can head on out.

Stay safe....
eKat

Trad climber
Jul 7, 2014 - 06:41am PT
Correct me if I am wrong though

You're wrong.

That road is regulated between 7a and 7p. You can drive down in there before or after those times but you gotta pay ten bux. You are allowed to drive back out anytime you want, but you can't go back down in there until after 7p or before 7a.

Trust me. . . I have undoubtedly spewed those regulation no fewer than 50,000 times. . . A DAY . . . for years. Granted, they've been fine tuned over the years, but the heart of the matter remains constant; get through that gate BEFORE 7a and you're golden! 7:01a, you're toast!

A N D .. .. .. expect there to be a lot of cars trying to get through that gate before it closes. . . it's not clear sailing. In the evening the line of cars waiting to get in would line all the way up to Minaret Vista, back down the road and half way to Migraine Lodge. . . oh, I mean Main Lodge.

:-)
Psilocyborg

climber
Jul 7, 2014 - 10:03am PT
Thanks all
CA.Timothy

climber
California
Jul 7, 2014 - 11:46am PT

photo bump

Taken late July 2013
Taken late July 2013
Credit: CA.Timothy
Taken late July 2013
Taken late July 2013
Credit: CA.Timothy
Taken August 2013
Taken August 2013
Credit: CA.Timothy
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Jul 7, 2014 - 07:55pm PT
Rained off and on most of the day in the Ritter Range today....more T-storms in the forecast for the week....and cooler temps.

I had to head south for a few days for a funeral...back in the hood EARLY Wednesday morning.
T H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Jul 7, 2014 - 08:56pm PT
http://www.traditionalmountaineering.org/News_PeterStarr.htm
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Jul 8, 2014 - 07:46am PT
Thanks for posting that link, Biotch.....so many similarities to Matthew's case.

We search on...
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 8, 2014 - 06:36pm PT
I've reread "Missing In The Minarets" since Matthew's disappearance a year ago.
A few takeaways from memory:

 Walter A Starr Jr (Pete) was found by Norman Clyde "hiding in plain sight" on Michael's Minaret.
His body was visible on a ledge high on the north face. He had been attempting a new route solo.
 It took several of the top climbers of his generation over 10 days to find him.
 Pete was on a solo hiking trip down the John Muir Trail. He had climbed in the Minarets previously that summer, including a first ascent.
 From his notes left behind at his high camp they deduced Pete had been climbing in the Minarets
 The search party had given up hope, Norman Clyde went out alone for one more look.
 That proximity had been searched before and the searchers had been within about 100 ft., just from the wrong viewpoint.
 Norman Clyde had a hunch were Peter might be after many places had been ruled out.
 The Minarets are surprisingly complex for such a small geographic area.

The book is a testament to several men, including Walter Starr - Pete's father, Jules Eichorn, Dick Jones, Francis Farquhar, Glenn Dawson and Norman Clyde.
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Jul 9, 2014 - 11:31pm PT
I just got an urge to look at the thread, Mammoth Topography in Regards to Visions (Find Matt Greene). I found of particular interest LA Hiker's synopsis of impressions from intuitives. Might be worth looking over for those actually there involved in the search. Even tho there is a wide variety of impressions, it is food for thought.

Also looked over my posts about the Rettenbachers who were lost: http://www.examiner.com/article/high-sierra-is-final-resting-site-for-young-couple-after-early-climbing-accident
Psilocyborg

climber
Jul 10, 2014 - 02:44pm PT
Cragman, youve got mail
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Jul 10, 2014 - 07:03pm PT
Psilocyborg.....checked.....no mail.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jul 10, 2014 - 09:00pm PT
pacarockhound,

That link to the Rettenbachers is a good read. I have walked right by there without noticing.
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Jul 11, 2014 - 07:23pm PT
I meant to include this: the definitive (and much longer)story of the Rettenbachers!


http://highwire.stanford.edu/~galic/stanford/rettenbacher/intro.html
kenish

Gym climber
Orange County, CA
Jul 14, 2014 - 10:16pm PT
I am in complete awe of Cragman, friends and family of Matt, and everyone else who is unrelenting in their search even at risk and expense to their safety and spirit.

On a pragmatic note (with apologies if this dredges any bad stuff up or I'm being "keyboard quarterback")....last summer a retired police officer noted a person in the Minden area who loosely fit Matt's description. But like every other frustrating lead, it evaporated into thin air like Matt has. Several weeks ago, a road crew found remains off the highway at Spooner Summit in the Tahoe area. That's not far from Minden, and 2 hours' drive from Mammoth. A recent post mentioned this. Has anyone followed up with the Medical Examiner's office up there? Since family is in the area right now it could expedite or assist in the ME's investigation.

The backcountry search is focusing on Cragman and others' keen instinct on where Matt was most likely to hike and climb, much like Clyde's instincts 80 years ago. Certainly that should continue but what if he's not in the Mammoth area at all? I recall some scenarios were explored and ruled out, but it's a big world......
LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Jul 14, 2014 - 11:25pm PT
Kenish said:
On a pragmatic note (with apologies if this dredges any bad stuff up or I'm being "keyboard quarterback")....last summer a retired police officer noted a person in the Minden area who loosely fit Matt's description. But like every other frustrating lead, it evaporated into thin air like Matt has. Several weeks ago, a road crew found remains off the highway at Spooner Summit in the Tahoe area. That's not far from Minden, and 2 hours' drive from Mammoth. A recent post mentioned this. Has anyone followed up with the Medical Examiner's office up there? Since family is in the area right now it could expedite or assist in the ME's investigation.

Kenish, I agree with your general point that though an accident in the Ritter Range is likely, other scenarios are possible. However, with respect to the remains found at Spooner Summit, Tiffany has told me that they did follow up with the Medical Examiner, and the remains were not Matt's. I think she found out just before leaving for Mammoth.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Jul 15, 2014 - 06:06am PT
Yes, it is a fact that the remains on Spooner Summit were followed up on, and ruled out.

As you all know, Matthew disappeared one year ago this coming Thursday.

Just yesterday, we received some very good information. A group of campers who were camped near Matthew last year, came back for their annual trip THIS week. When they saw the posters at Shady Rest regarding Matthew's disappearance, they remembered him VERY well.

One of these persons asked Matthew to join them on a hike last July 17th....Matthew politely declined, and told them, "I can't, I'm going out to the Minarets."

BOOM!
crankster

Trad climber
Jul 15, 2014 - 06:50am PT
Wow, that's a great lead. Are there any more details of the conversation you can provide?

That narrows the search area considerably,
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