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B Money

Boulder climber
san diego
Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 15, 2013 - 10:43pm PT
A new fire just broke in Mountain Center (243 and 74). South of Idyllwild. From all the reports im hearing, already over 1000 acres and structures already lost. Its in a canyon system that could most definitely run all the way to town.
Just a heads up if you're there or headed that way!

Trad climber
Jul 15, 2013 - 10:49pm PT
Saw the smoke driving into OC from Blythe this afternoon; it was big. This could get really bad. There is so much downed wood up there from the pine bark beetle infestation. Saw five choppers flying in formation to the west. Not sure what they were up to; did not look like tankers, maybe they dropped off some hot shots.

edit: also saw smoke coming from the canyon just east of snow creek. not sure if it was a new fire or just the smoke coming over the ridge and being pushed down,

Trad climber
Idyllwild, California
Jul 15, 2013 - 10:59pm PT
The fire is south of Idyllwild burning in Apple Canyon, Bonita Vista and Fleming Ranch area. The flames run in NW to SE direction and so far the fire is missing Idyllwild. Things could change if wind direction changes, but so far the town is in no danger. About 1,000 acres have burned as of 8 PM Pacific. I'm told that Mountain Center looks like a war zone. It might not be such a great idea to climb on Tahquitz tomorrow, the smoke is pretty thick..

Trad climber
Jul 15, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
The smoke I saw at 4 PM looked like it was from a much bigger fire.

Trad climber
Southern California
Jul 16, 2013 - 12:11am PT
I'm watching it from work and it's huge! For anyone wanting to climb Tahquitz, I've heard Hwy 243 is closed to all non residence. So I wouldn't drive up without checking the CHP or Cal trans website.
B Money

Boulder climber
san diego
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 16, 2013 - 10:48am PT
Blew up to over 5000 acres as of 6:30 this morning. Im getting some photos back from our crew we sent out last night; looks heavy. Gonna be a long battle. Its in 2 main creeks, and talking with some people that have fought there before, there is really only one place to stop it. If not, its going all the way.

Jul 16, 2013 - 10:55am PT
What a disaster! Anything on cause yet or link for info?
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Jul 16, 2013 - 11:02am PT

Jim Henson's Basement
Jul 16, 2013 - 11:46am PT
It's dry, dry dry this year. Streams that usually have at least a little water all year are completely dry. I've got a bad feeling about the 2013 fire season.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 16, 2013 - 12:08pm PT
Yer gonna burn, THEN yer gonna die!

Jul 16, 2013 - 01:26pm PT

Here is a website with all the "Mountain Fire" webcams and updated weather on a single site:
John M

Jul 16, 2013 - 01:30pm PT
It went from 1000 acres last night to 4700 acres this morning. I hope that they get a handle on it soon. 10 percent contained and 650 people already working it.

Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
Jul 16, 2013 - 01:30pm PT
Is Valley Center at risk?
B Money

Boulder climber
san diego
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 16, 2013 - 02:06pm PT
Latest update has it now at 8000 acres. New evacuations ordered for Andreas Canyon.

Putting up a pretty good plum right now. Rapid spread through both brush and timber.


Jul 16, 2013 - 02:52pm PT
if it started right off the highway maybe a cigarette from a passing car... you see people do it all the time

Jul 16, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
really is a shame such an awesome area

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Jul 16, 2013 - 04:52pm PT
I hope this gets under control, fast. The forest above Humber Park is about 50% old dead trees.....

if it started right off the highway maybe a cigarette from a passing car... you see people do it all the time

Most new cars sold in America no longer have ashtrays!!!!!!


Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Jul 16, 2013 - 05:04pm PT
man i live in timber country,
and we dumb f*#ks deny inherent processes
their rightful place.

i hate to see good forest burn, i do, and i have.
all of my assets are perched on
the sulfer end of a match
with ignition and
energy conversion potential greater than
the many atomic bombs
that decorate mankind's fateful birthday cake.

let it go, folks.
just get out of its way.
then go in afterwards,
and forge a new understanding.

maybe a grape vinyard while the forest recovers.


Jul 16, 2013 - 06:01pm PT
15:00 PDT 7/16/13

Incident Overview

General Fire Info:
The Mountain Fire started at 1:43 PM on July 15, 2013 near the junction of Highway 243 and Highway 74. It is currently burning east of the Mountain Center and Apple Canyon Areas. It is burning in very steep and rugged terrain in the southern porion of the San Jacinto Wilderness along the Desert Divide and in the Apple Canyon and Bonita Vista Areas.

A Type 1 Incident Management Team has been orderd to assume command of the fire at 1800 hrs on 7/16/2013.

Trail Closures:
The Pacific Crest Trail is closed from Highway 74 north to Saddle Junction. All of the trails connection to the Pacific Crest Trail are closed as well, including South Ridge Trail, Carumba Trail, Spitler Peak Trail, Fobes Trail, and Cedar Springs.
Individuals or groups with overnight or advance day-use permits into the San Jacinto Wilderness is advised to call the San Jacinto Ranger Station at 909-382-2921.
Road Closures and Evacuations:
Highway 243 is closed between Saunders Meadow Road and the junction of Highway 74. There are mandatory Evacuations for the Living Free Animal Sanctuary, The Fleming Ranch, Bonita Vista Community (20 homes), and the Zen Mountain Center.
Mandatory evacuation orders are in place for Andreas Canyon Club, 24 homes south of Palm Canyon Drive
Evacuation Centers:
Hemet High School, 41701 E. Stetson Ave, Hemet
Hamilton High School, 57430 Mitchell Road, Anza - Can accept small animals
Large and Small Animals can be taken to Lake Hemet Campground in Garner Valley
Small animals can be brought to the SanJacinto Animal Shelter, 581 S. Grand Ave, San Jacinto CA

Basic Information
Incident Type Wildfire
Cause Under Investigation
Date of Origin Monday July 15th, 2013 approx. 01:43 PM
Location Mountain Center
Incident Commander Fulcher/felix
Current Situation
Total Personnel 650
Size 8,000 acres
Percent Contained 10%
Fuels Involved
Chapparal and Timber
Fire Behavior
Rapid Fire Spread through timber and chapparal.
Significant Events
Evacuations in the upper Apple Canyon Area.
Planned Actions
Continued direct attack where feasible, utilize air resources

Growth Potential

Terrain Difficulty
Current Weather
Wind Conditions 10 mph SW
Temperature 70 degrees
Humidity 24%


Trad climber
Jul 16, 2013 - 06:34pm PT
"Growth Potential: Extreme"

Scary sh#t, hopefully too much of the PCT doesn't get burned. That's already a pretty rough little stretch.
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