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crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Aug 12, 2015 - 01:07pm PT
The right wrote the script for the ACA before it was enacted and can't walk it back now. Facts are not important in their world; hence, Trump.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 12, 2015 - 01:08pm PT
"...if a Republican had made this happen..."

They did. His name was Romney, in Massachusetts, and it was quite successful. So successful, in fact, that Obama used it as a primary model for the ACA.

Facts are pesky things, aren't they, Edward?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 12, 2015 - 01:11pm PT
Hey, the ref just threw a flag for piling on.
How about somebody answer my question?
Well, I borrowed it from Edward.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 12, 2015 - 01:15pm PT
Pretty simple, Reilly....no $$.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 12, 2015 - 02:26pm PT
I thought they just didn't sign up in time?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 12, 2015 - 07:07pm PT
Norton...Yeah...! Quit picking on Thompson and try to find another " only bean in the soup" to pick on , if you can...
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 12, 2015 - 09:47pm PT
Is 'Edward' your middle name or something, Donald?
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Nov 3, 2015 - 05:49am PT
Beginning of the End of Obamacare

By: U.S. Sen. John Barrasso, M.D.

Nov. 2, 2015

Washington Times

Obamacare's third year of open enrollment began on Sunday. People hoping to sign up saw a website with fresh photos and high-tech features. They found the actual insurance of the president's signature law has gotten even worse.

Unless something dramatic happens, this may be the year of the health care law's collapse. Prices keep rising and service keeps fading. It should not surprise the administration that people are not signing up.

Despite all the Obama administration has done to completely upend health care in this country, there are still more than 30 million uninsured people in America today. The reason they're not buying Obamacare isn't because they haven't heard enough about it. They're not buying because it's a bad deal for them.

As people log on to the government exchanges this year, they will see the telltale signs of Obamacare's impending failure. These include: costs soaring, cancellations mounting, and choices disappearing.

The first thing most people will notice is the higher price tag. Premiums are jumping by double digits in many states. In Alaska, premiums will be nearly 40 percent higher next year. People buying insurance on the Minnesota exchange will pay anywhere from 14 to 49 percent more.

Premiums are just one part of the high-cost story. Many plans are raising deductibles, co-pays, and other out-of-pocket costs.

Remember when President Obama's mantra was "If you like your health care plan, you can keep it?" Now the administration is singing a different tune: "If you have an Obamacare plan, you better shop around."

That's about the only advice Washington has for people who want to avoid brutal rate increases. If you're willing to switch insurance plans each year, your rates may go up by slightly less.

For some people, their old plan won't be available at any price. This includes more than a half-million people insured by one of the health co-ops that have shut down in 11 states over the past few months.

It also includes people whose insurer decided it simply couldn't afford to sell Obamacare coverage anymore. That's what happened in my home state, Wyoming, where the company WINHealth is dropping out of the exchange entirely.

In some states, plans are changing dramatically even if the company remains. A patient may find that her longtime doctor will no longer be a part of her plan's network. Maybe the hospital nearest to her home is no longer included by her insurance. These kinds of changes can leave people with very different coverage than they had before.

As people work their way around the website, they may notice that the remaining options are slimmer than ever. Analysts at the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation say that more of the choices will be HMOs this time around. That can mean narrower networks and no out-of-network coverage.

In some states, the number of options is practically non-existent. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, people living in 14 of Nevada's 16 counties will have only one or two companies to pick from. In Wyoming, with the failure of WINHealth, residents will have only one option.

Insurance through Obamacare is largely coming down to a simple choice of take it or leave it. More and more Americans are leaving it.

The only people who are consistently signing up are the ones who get subsidies from Washington. For them, the website should come with a warning label reading: "Buyer beware." According to the IRS, 90 percent of people who received government insurance subsidies last year got the wrong amount.

To avoid an all-out panic over low enrollment, the administration is trying to lower expectations. It's lowered the bar for success to around 10 million people enrolled for 2016. That's half of the 21 million people the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office says should be covered next year. It's also essentially flat compared to the 9.9 million who were enrolled in June.

The administration is playing the lowered expectations game because they know how hard it is to convince more Americans to buy government-mandated insurance that costs so much. For so many people, Obamacare doesn't have much to offer.

Even the $695 tax penalty isn't enough incentive to coerce people to buy. People facing premium increases along with a $5,000 deductible see little reason to pay for insurance they may not want, need, or be able to afford.

Obamacare is failing because too many people want nothing to do with it. As the costs continue to rise, more people get cancellation notices, and the exchanges offer fewer choices, the collapse will only continue. We may look back at this past Sunday as the beginning of the end.

Expect to hear more bad news about Obamacare.

We just recieved a quote for our 2016 premiums. We're looking at an 80% increase.

Affordable healthcare?

Bull shit!
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Nov 3, 2015 - 06:26am PT
Cheer up, righties...always so damn glum.

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Nov 3, 2015 - 06:43am PT
Edward T, if I may ask...

How old are you?
What was your avg monthly premium last year and year before and what is it now?
What is your deductible?

Thanks.



(I am conducting something of a non-scientific poll here, I guess.)
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Nov 3, 2015 - 07:00am PT
There's only one Forum Bully, S(pud). Give it up, you're just a wannabe - and a big baby.

Gimp

Trad climber
Missoula, MT & "Pourland", OR
Nov 3, 2015 - 07:22am PT
I think it is very hard if not impossible to get accurate numbers on enrollment under the ACA.

However, in my and my wife's microcosm of our practices where we can sit down and go over numbers with our office manages, ACA implementation has not significantly decreased the number of un- and under-insured presenting for care. This is particularly true with those referrals originating via Emtala mandated ED coverage.

Subjectively, since we are in a state with a projected premium increase for the Silver plan of 35% on average, a significant number of enrollees have expressed the opinion that they will not be continuing in their plan.

What will really happen i.e. failure or success of the program, I think at this point remains an unknown.
Steve
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Nov 3, 2015 - 07:51am PT
So in the past year my deductible has doubled.
My ex-wife is on her 3rd different plan after her first 2 departed the state in the wake of ACA.
How many doctors don't take Medicare now?
How many doctors don't take Medicaid now?
What other major legislation in our nation's history did not receive one vote from the opposition party?

Maybe it's just me, but the ACA doesn't seem like an improvement.
Wall Street Journal article here, worth pondering.

http://www.wsj.com/article_email/the-slow-motion-implosion-of-obamacare-1446417104-lMyQjAxMTA1ODA5MjUwNDIzWj
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Nov 3, 2015 - 08:14am PT
How old are you?
What was your avg monthly premium last year and year before and what is it now?
What is your deductible?

Thanks.

I'm 55. Policy for family of four.

Premiums for BCBS Silver plan w/ $2800 deductible:

2014 - $380
2015 - $608
2016 - $1094

fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Nov 3, 2015 - 08:19am PT
Wait a second... are we saying throwing "free" magical gub'ment cheese at an incredibly dysfunctional system didn't help?????

Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Nov 3, 2015 - 08:31am PT
The ACA was supposed to have been fixed with cost controls
But the Republicans wouldn't allow any cost controls to be implemented since they have been bought by the Insurance Companies

I guess it's anonymous, we all want Single Payer, where we would all pay less than a third of what we pay now

The only impediment are those nasty Republicans in Congress that all being bribed by the insurance Companies

Would repealing ObamaCare help?
No, the prices will just go higher still
John M

climber
Nov 3, 2015 - 08:33am PT
Obamacare…. fatally flawed from the beginning, so eventually we will go back to what we had before, disenfranchising a bunch of people and the downward slide will continue.

Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Nov 3, 2015 - 08:37am PT
ObamaCare is NOT Government healthcare

it's just a law to regulate the Private Insurance Companies

Does anyone want:
to not cover pre existing conditions
to not allow a child up to the age of 26 to be covered by their parents
to have caps on your coverage
to not cover things in the fine print like HIV etc.
to have a bogus plan that doesn't cover anything

You would have to be an idiot to want to go back to the non-regulated insurance times.

Everyone needs health care insurance, that's a fact
but it should be cheap and not controlled by the billionaire banksters
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 3, 2015 - 08:48am PT
"ObamaCare is NOT Government healthcare"


Yeah, I don't know how any rational person could think otherwise. This is a purely capitalistic, free market approach to healthcare...not much has changed, except there's more people who now have some kind of coverage, and if you actually have a claim, there's a likelihood that the insurance company will actually have to pay it.

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Nov 3, 2015 - 08:50am PT
Edward T...
I'm 55. Policy for family of four.

Premiums for BCBS Silver plan w/ $2800 deductible:

2014 - $380
2015 - $608
2016 - $1094

.....

hfcs...

I'm 55. Policy for family of ONE.

Premiums for BCBS Silver plan w/ $2000 deductible:

2014 - $276
Jan /2015 - $323
Now - $474
2016 - ??? (change likely in June, I'm told)


Edward, thanks for the reply.
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