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Dave Kos

Social climber
Jun 10, 2013 - 02:52pm PT
How did this guy get a 200k a year job and access to everything?

Welcome to the "intelligence community."

The patriots that are defending our freedom have to bear the burden of being incredibly well paid.

I worked in that business for a while, a few years back. One year our company had our annual meeting in the Cayman Islands. The whole company (plus guest, of course) at a nice resort on the beach.

9-11 made a lot of people wealthy. Many of them, very wealthy.


Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Jun 10, 2013 - 02:55pm PT
Credit: pud

Lake Tahoe
Jun 10, 2013 - 02:55pm PT
"It's legal" is not a good argument on the side of the government. Let's say that it is legal for the cops to ask for a warrant to search your house and it is legal for a judge to evaluate their request and issue that warrant. No where in the law is there a clear and definitive line drawn as to what constitutes probable cause and illegal search and seizure; it is all a matter of court opinion. The only recourse if a judge gets a little too generous with search warrants is to point it out, have lawsuits in federal courts, etc. There is no law that can be changed to make a judge act within the constitution.

So although the FISA court allowed this, that does not mean that the actions of that court are constitutional. There is certainly no law that limits what they FISA court can and cannot approve. What they decide is just a matter of their anonymous opinion.

Since we have no way to see any of this happening, there is no way for the public to act as a deterrent to an over-zealous or even tyrannical court.

So maybe it's not legal. Maybe peoples civil rights have been trampled on and everyone who knows about it is just fine letting it happen because they are the ones interpreting the law.


Trad climber
Jun 10, 2013 - 03:08pm PT
How did this guy get a 200k a year job and access to everything?

Welcome to the "intelligence community."

entirely untrue!
that is IF you concerned about why

the inteligence community formerly was a government enterprise. the as#@&%es bush and his faith based christian hordes dragged in insisted we worship the market with our ever stapler so the whole system was outsources

thus we witnessed the exedus of 80% of the "traditional" inteligence community, instant replaced by bible beating wall street whoring idiots willing to hate their fellow and sell out for a poptart

thus we get highly compromiseable systems run by highly compromised jesustard who are mostly ready and willing to pocket a quarter million dollars of salary a year while shopping throught the new private sector rolodex as to where to sell the secret they have access to

just cuz they fell poor and oppressed and all the more willing to hate goverment and punish the public because they got the job


our leaker here was just one of them who wouldnt agree to preform the felonies he was told post hiring that he had signed up for, now that tought on crime administration ruled the roost

Gym climber
Jun 10, 2013 - 03:11pm PT
I see an individual who signed a contract swearing secrecy, and then intentionally taking documents to which he was not entitled to take, and disclosing those documents in violation of not only his contract (with its confidentiality provisions), but also in violation of Federal law which makes the disclosure illegal.

And I see a Gov't that does not abide by the laws its Congress creates. And then, when an individual exposes the breach of laws by those at the top levels of the Gov't, they imprison the ones who expose them.

They are called "whistle blowers" for a reason.

Sport climber
Jun 10, 2013 - 03:14pm PT
I can't believe there are actually people who are okay with their own government spying on them.

Who feels safe?

"Oh yay, the government is tracking my every move in person, and on the internet, I FEEL SO SAFE" said no one ever.

Edward Snowden is a good person.

Social climber
So Cal
Jun 10, 2013 - 03:22pm PT
I'm sure there's more than a bit of CYA going on here, but even the guy who wrote the "Patriot Act" says that what's going on now is, and always was, clearly illegal.


Trad climber
Jun 10, 2013 - 03:25pm PT

"sure we said it was ok to rape the bitches! but grabbing a tittie while your at it is CLEARLY outside of the acceptance of felony assaults we envisioned with our codifying of sexual assault... we only authorized their tying down and vaginal penetration with foreign object! not boobie squeezing"

Social climber
So Cal
Jun 10, 2013 - 03:26pm PT
Go away Crawlly

Gym climber
Jun 10, 2013 - 03:26pm PT
This can stand up to a repeat (michael f., the bold is for you):

Time for some heads to roll over this.

In March 2012, Rep. Hank Johnson (D-GA) asked Gen. Alexander, who was under
oath, “What judicial consent is required for NSA to intercept
communications and information involving American citizens?

answer: We’re not authorized to do it, nor do we do it.

Top admin lied under oath saying it was not happening when he knew the nsa has been collecting everything and keeps adding capability to spy.


Gym climber
Jun 10, 2013 - 03:29pm PT
And on the Manning trial:

The military trial of Bradley Manning is a judicial lynching. The government has effectively muzzled the defense team. The Army private first class is not permitted to argue that he had a moral and legal obligation under international law to make public the war crimes he uncovered. The documents that detail the crimes, torture and killing Manning revealed, because they are classified, have been barred from discussion in court, effectively removing the fundamental issue of war crimes from the trial. Manning is forbidden by the court to challenge the government’s unverified assertion that he harmed national security. Lead defense attorney David E. Coombs said during pretrial proceedings that the judge’s refusal to permit information on the lack of actual damage from the leaks would “eliminate a viable defense, and cut defense off at the knees.”

Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
Jun 10, 2013 - 03:30pm PT
I hope he keeps his soap on a rope.

The Granite State.
Jun 10, 2013 - 03:47pm PT
Finally, an issue that Dems and the GOP can agree on.

I'm a Democrat, and this sort of nonsense is obviously wrong.

I'm glad that we all can have a kumbaya moment here.

Now, back to partisanship!!!!

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jun 10, 2013 - 04:17pm PT
Yer Gunna Die!

Do you understand that down to your core?

If you are young and happen to live 80+ years as you have a fair chance to.. YER STILL GUNNA DIE!

And if you do live that long you will live through the death of around 8 to 10 BILLION people.

Now as climbers we tend to SAY we embrace the idea that quality is worth the risk of quantity when it comes to life. Some of us DIE based on that choice.

The leaker is my hero. Even though he is probably a bit odd and unstable. He probably spoke up in vain. America will continue to give up freedom for the security to live crappy lives full of fear and and weekends away from jobs they hate and can barely eek out a living with. Scrapping and squabbling in crappy little concrete jungles.

Another hero once said. "Give me Liberty or Give me Death"
J man

Trad climber
morgan hill
Jun 10, 2013 - 04:35pm PT

Spies Everywhere!

IRS Buying Spying Equipment: Covert Cameras in Coffee Trays, Plants

Only accepting bids for 19hours until purchase is made.

Hurry! They need the bugs right now! Tues June 11 2013.



Grey Matter
Jun 10, 2013 - 04:38pm PT
Did you all forget that this was exposed in 2007. It started soon after we signed our rights over to Big Brother under the [un]Patriot Act.
At times they (NSA, FBI, DHS et al) have changed the name of it so they could claim that they stopped a particular program. But or course the general practice never stopped expanding and now it's expanded 100-fold.


No case yet has stopped them.

Don't even dream that they are only looking at comms of foreigners. In order to do that, first they have to screen everything. And if you have ever made a foreign call or email, or looked at a foreign website, you are now a suspect.

Jun 10, 2013 - 04:47pm PT
The NSA surveillance has been known to the public for years.

The main stream media (MSM) has reported almost nothing about it for years.

The stupid Americans only follow MSM.

MSM has suddenly reported the NSA surveillance.

Stupid Americans suddenly think it's something new.

Stupid Americans still don't have a clue what's really going on even though it's spelled out in the clear every day.

Only when they "see" something on MSM a dim light bulb goes on in their dim heads.

You've all been owned and pawned to the max.

You should all just STFU and stand in the line to the guillotine you've all made for yourselves all along ......


Jun 10, 2013 - 04:52pm PT

Trad climber
Jun 10, 2013 - 05:07pm PT
islamicist understudy actually
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Jun 10, 2013 - 05:17pm PT
Finally, an issue that Dems and the GOP can agree on.

I'm a Democrat, and this sort of nonsense is obviously wrong.

The GOP is only against it if DEMs are in power. I'm against it no matter what


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