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k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jun 10, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
I see an individual who signed a contract swearing secrecy, and then intentionally taking documents to which he was not entitled to take, and disclosing those documents in violation of not only his contract (with its confidentiality provisions), but also in violation of Federal law which makes the disclosure illegal.

And I see a Gov't that does not abide by the laws its Congress creates. And then, when an individual exposes the breach of laws by those at the top levels of the Gov't, they imprison the ones who expose them.


They are called "whistle blowers" for a reason.
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jun 10, 2013 - 06:14pm PT
I can't believe there are actually people who are okay with their own government spying on them.


Who feels safe?


"Oh yay, the government is tracking my every move in person, and on the internet, I FEEL SO SAFE" said no one ever.


Edward Snowden is a good person.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jun 10, 2013 - 06:22pm PT
I'm sure there's more than a bit of CYA going on here, but even the guy who wrote the "Patriot Act" says that what's going on now is, and always was, clearly illegal.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/09/abuse-patriot-act-must-end
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jun 10, 2013 - 06:26pm PT
Go away Crawlly
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jun 10, 2013 - 06:26pm PT
This can stand up to a repeat (michael f., the bold is for you):

Time for some heads to roll over this.

In March 2012, Rep. Hank Johnson (D-GA) asked Gen. Alexander, who was under
oath, “What judicial consent is required for NSA to intercept
communications and information involving American citizens?

answer: We’re not authorized to do it, nor do we do it.


Top admin lied under oath saying it was not happening when he knew the nsa has been collecting everything and keeps adding capability to spy.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/seanlawson/2013/06/06/did-intelligence-officials-lie-to-congress-about-nsa-domestic-spying/
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jun 10, 2013 - 06:29pm PT
And on the Manning trial:

The military trial of Bradley Manning is a judicial lynching. The government has effectively muzzled the defense team. The Army private first class is not permitted to argue that he had a moral and legal obligation under international law to make public the war crimes he uncovered. The documents that detail the crimes, torture and killing Manning revealed, because they are classified, have been barred from discussion in court, effectively removing the fundamental issue of war crimes from the trial. Manning is forbidden by the court to challenge the government’s unverified assertion that he harmed national security. Lead defense attorney David E. Coombs said during pretrial proceedings that the judge’s refusal to permit information on the lack of actual damage from the leaks would “eliminate a viable defense, and cut defense off at the knees.”
TwistedCrank

climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
Jun 10, 2013 - 06:30pm PT
I hope he keeps his soap on a rope.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Jun 10, 2013 - 06:47pm PT
Finally, an issue that Dems and the GOP can agree on.

I'm a Democrat, and this sort of nonsense is obviously wrong.

I'm glad that we all can have a kumbaya moment here.

Now, back to partisanship!!!!
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jun 10, 2013 - 07:17pm PT
Yer Gunna Die!

Do you understand that down to your core?

If you are young and happen to live 80+ years as you have a fair chance to.. YER STILL GUNNA DIE!

And if you do live that long you will live through the death of around 8 to 10 BILLION people.

Now as climbers we tend to SAY we embrace the idea that quality is worth the risk of quantity when it comes to life. Some of us DIE based on that choice.

The leaker is my hero. Even though he is probably a bit odd and unstable. He probably spoke up in vain. America will continue to give up freedom for the security to live crappy lives full of fear and and weekends away from jobs they hate and can barely eek out a living with. Scrapping and squabbling in crappy little concrete jungles.

Another hero once said. "Give me Liberty or Give me Death"
J man

Trad climber
morgan hill
Jun 10, 2013 - 07:35pm PT
Spies!

Spies Everywhere!

IRS Buying Spying Equipment: Covert Cameras in Coffee Trays, Plants

Only accepting bids for 19hours until purchase is made.

Hurry! They need the bugs right now! Tues June 11 2013.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/irs-buying-spying-equipment-covert-cameras-coffee-trays-plants


Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Jun 10, 2013 - 07:38pm PT
Did you all forget that this was exposed in 2007. It started soon after we signed our rights over to Big Brother under the [un]Patriot Act.
At times they (NSA, FBI, DHS et al) have changed the name of it so they could claim that they stopped a particular program. But or course the general practice never stopped expanding and now it's expanded 100-fold.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2007/11/ex-att-employee-nsa-snooping-internet-traffic-too/
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/homefront/interviews/klein.html

No case yet has stopped them.
https://www.eff.org/cases/jewel
https://www.eff.org/sites/default/files/filenode/att/Shubert%20opening%20brief%209th%20Circuit.pdf
http://www.aclu.org/national-security/amnesty-et-al-v-clapper
https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying
http://www.aclu.org/national-security/


Don't even dream that they are only looking at comms of foreigners. In order to do that, first they have to screen everything. And if you have ever made a foreign call or email, or looked at a foreign website, you are now a suspect.
WBraun

climber
Jun 10, 2013 - 07:47pm PT
The NSA surveillance has been known to the public for years.

The main stream media (MSM) has reported almost nothing about it for years.

The stupid Americans only follow MSM.

MSM has suddenly reported the NSA surveillance.

Stupid Americans suddenly think it's something new.

Stupid Americans still don't have a clue what's really going on even though it's spelled out in the clear every day.

Only when they "see" something on MSM a dim light bulb goes on in their dim heads.

You've all been owned and pawned to the max.

You should all just STFU and stand in the line to the guillotine you've all made for yourselves all along ......

dirtbag

climber
Jun 10, 2013 - 07:52pm PT
^^^^^Grumpy^^^^^
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Jun 10, 2013 - 08:17pm PT
Finally, an issue that Dems and the GOP can agree on.

I'm a Democrat, and this sort of nonsense is obviously wrong.


The GOP is only against it if DEMs are in power. I'm against it no matter what

Peace

Karl
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Jun 10, 2013 - 08:18pm PT
Oh so Werner is an Islamist because he speaks the truth about the delusion of the American populace? I don't think so.

Islam is just another religion.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jun 10, 2013 - 08:21pm PT
Rsin
islamicist understudy actually

ROFLMAO!

yer stooopid. Not from around these parts methinks..

Even if Werner is just repeating what I've been saying.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jun 10, 2013 - 08:43pm PT
Islam is just another religion.

Nah!

It's just the

"cult of the child molesting warlord"

It's an insult to the rest of the major religions to compare them.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jun 10, 2013 - 09:05pm PT
Why was all this OK 8 years ago?

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jun 10, 2013 - 09:37pm PT
it wasn't

It was OK for the last five years until Barry cut his minions loose on the press.

When their own ox was gored they finally started paying attention.

rockermike

Trad climber
Berkeley
Jun 10, 2013 - 11:33pm PT
Democracy Now interviews ex-NSA officials "slippery slope toward totalitarian society"....

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/6/10/on_a_slippery_slope_to_a
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