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k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jul 13, 2013 - 08:52pm PT
But no recalls of ambassadors from the US...

Why do you think that is, when the Mercosur Countries believe it was the US who requested that the EU states block Morales' flight?

I have an idea, and it dovetails with why the EU states followed the [supposed] US request to block the flight.

Why does the EU bow to the US, when they are also pissed at the Snowden revelations?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 14, 2013 - 10:11pm PT
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/07/12/us_backs_off_propaganda_ban_spreads_government_made_news_to_americans

Not that the networks weren't enough!
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jul 15, 2013 - 12:56am PT
Time for MORE, not less, details of the NSA, private "security firms" and their dirty business, to be "leaked" to the American public.

http://www.thenation.com/article/174851/strange-case-barrett-brown#axzz2Z5QylW3a

http://wiki.project-pm.org/wiki/Main_Page

http://wiki.project-pm.org/wiki/Endgame_Systems
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Jul 15, 2013 - 02:42am PT
"The state would leech into the veins and arteries of our new societies, gobbling up every relationship expressed or communicated, every web page read, every message sent and every thought googled, and then store this knowledge, billions of interceptions a day, undreamed of power, in vast top secret warehouses, forever. It would go on to mine and mine again this treasure, the collective private intellectual output of humanity, with ever more sophisticated search and pattern finding algorithms, enriching the treasure and maximizing the power imbalance between interceptors and the world of interceptees. And then the state would reflect what it had learned back into the physical world, to start wars, to target drones, to manipulate UN committees and trade deals, and to do favors for its vast connected network of industries, insiders and cronies."

 Assange, Julian; Appelbaum, Jacob; Müller-Maguhn, Andy; Zimmermann, Jérémie (2013-01-09). Cypherpunks (Kindle Locations 65-71). OR Books. Kindle Edition.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jul 15, 2013 - 05:32am PT
It is as thought Daniel Ellsberg, in leaving the pentagon, killed a guard to walk out with his papers

Jeez Ken M, I never knew that Ellsberg killed a guard. I tried to look it up online, but came up with nada. Can you point out where I can find that Ellsberg killed a guard?

Otherwise, it is slander.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jul 15, 2013 - 11:23am PT
Nice article Joe!


Dershowitz, for his part, insisted there is no gray area:

"Well, it doesn't border on criminality – it's right in the heartland of criminality. The statute itself, does punish the publication of classified material, if you know that it's classified," explained the guest. "Greenwald – in my view – clearly has committed a felony."



Indeed, publishing the Pentagon Papers was a criminal act. Lock all those NYT/Washington Post criminals UP! They HATE America.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jul 15, 2013 - 01:16pm PT
Joe, I agree--Snowden took a step too far when he talked about having intel on ops. For one, that has let folks such as yourself get distracted from the real meat of his revelations, which is the scope of NSA surveillance.

But to say that if something is classified, then it's criminal to publish it... All I can say is "Heil!"
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Jul 15, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
Why does some junior level outside contractor have so much sensitive information? It's a wonder the government has any secrets at all!
WBraun

climber
Jul 15, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
He doesn't.

It's a diversion disinfo tactic to confuse and keep you from the real truth .....
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Jul 15, 2013 - 02:39pm PT
This aint no f*#king weenie roast.
This aint no f*#king weenie roast.
Credit: Ray Charles
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Jul 15, 2013 - 02:46pm PT
I'm worried the USG is going to kill Greenwald, Snowden, etc to keep them from publishing whatever it is Glenn's been referring to lately.
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Jul 15, 2013 - 03:28pm PT
Snowden's NSA whistle blowing on PRISM and the government's secret domestic surveillance is merely the tip of the iceberg.

Once extracted and isolated as a deracinated fragment out of its larger continuum, the epic entirety of the domestic surveillance program PSISM is then easily explained, justified, and defended via simplistic government misinformation propaganda as an 'anti-terrorism' program by obscuring the broader and central context within which this spying exists. In order for this propaganda to succeed, the domestic spying's context and the discourse's public boarders must be rigorously policed. The mainstream media will be fully mobilized to police the parameters of this discussion in an attempt to redirect the public's focus away from the PRISM program and onto (its campaign of discrediting and/or destroying) whistle blowers like Snowden; to redirect the public's focus away from PRISM's raison d'être so as to protect and obscure the incestuous relationship of corporate/government/FBI/security contractors' control of the raison d'état while attacking journalists who lift the lid on this Pandora's box ... and all of this seasoned with a generous helping of all-purpose fear courtesy of the perpetual 'war on terror'.

Those that are gullible and naive enough to swallow the official propaganda regarding the secret and omnipresent spying operations of the greatest, richest, and most powerful empire the world has ever known, display a shocking and inexcusable ignorance and underestimation of Machiavelli. The topic: control.


WTF

climber
Jul 15, 2013 - 03:29pm PT



WBraun

climber

Jul 15, 2013 - 10:23am PT
He doesn't.

It's a diversion disinfo tactic to confuse and keep you from the real truth .....

Bingo ding ding ding.
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Jul 15, 2013 - 04:51pm PT

'Some journalists are now understandably afraid to go near the Stratfor files. The broader implications of this go beyond Brown; one might think that what we are looking at is Cointelpro 2.0—an outsourced surveillance state—but in fact it’s worse. One can’t help but infer that the US Department of Justice has become just another security contractor, working alongside the HBGarys and Stratfors on behalf of corporate bidders, with no sense at all for the justness of their actions; they are working to protect corporations and private security contractors and give them license to engage in disinformation campaigns against ordinary citizens and their advocacy groups.

Read more: The Strange Case of Barrett Brown | The Nation http://www.thenation.com/article/174851/strange-case-barrett-brown#ixzz2Z8zxR2aO
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jul 15, 2013 - 05:12pm PT
^^Lovegasoline, take a look at this story too, that someone posted way upthread -

Jailed Journalist Barrett Brown Faces 105 Years For Reporting on Hacked Private Intelligence Firms

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/7/11/jailed_journalist_barrett_brown_faces_105

PETER LUDLOW: Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, one of the most crazy things in the whole thing was when Coca-Cola approached Stratfor, and they were concerned about PETA, you know, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. And why, I’m not entirely sure, but one of the people in Stratfor said, "Well, the FBI has a classified file on PETA. I’ll see if I can get it for you." Now, that little story sums up a lot of stuff that’s wrong about this. First of all, why are private—why is Coca-Cola going to a private intelligence company for this? Why is—why did the private intelligence company feel that they had immediate access to a classified file by the FBI? And why did the FBI have a classified file, to begin with? I mean—but, to me, the creepiest part of that very creepy little story is the fact that the guy at Stratfor felt that he had access to this classified file by the FBI. And the Barrett Brown case revealed something like this, as well. It’s almost like the FBI has become just another private security firm, that it’s become like a private cop for these companies, as it were. And, I mean, that’s part because of the revolving door. It’s part because they get pressed into service for companies that want inside information on activist organizations like PETA.
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Jul 15, 2013 - 05:53pm PT
^
Kunlun, yes I'd read that and much more.
Cointelpro 2.0 is in place.


If one suspends the official government agency propaganda regarding their own behavior, intentions, and complicity with respect to their domestic spying and their secret orders ...


.... combined with testimony by both government actors and whistle blowers, regarding both the ineffectiveness and non-involvement of the NSA domestic metadata in 'terrorism' events and prosecutions, then there's no way to reasonably arrive at the conclusion that the NSA's domestic spying is necessary to 'prevent terrorism' (official government version). This claim by any reasonable standard, is unsupported.

-----------------------------------------------


Snowden's whistle blowing has already been a resounding success.
Speaking personally, I most likely would not have inquired further and/or read deeper into this topic without Snowden's revelations. Snowden has inspired me to engage this discourse and for that I'm thankful.


k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jul 15, 2013 - 06:35pm PT
Snowden Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

Swedish professor nominates whistleblower for heroically revealing extent of U.S. government surveillance

A Swedish professor has nominated NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden for the Nobel Peace Prize for revealing the extent of the NSA's vast surveillance program "in a heroic effort at great personal cost."

In his letter to the Nobel Peace Prize Committee, Stefan Svallfors, a professor of sociology at Sweden's Umeå University, added that awarding the prize to Snowden would "also help to save the Nobel Peace Prize from the disrepute it incurred by the hasty and ill-conceived decision to award U.S. President Barack Obama the 2009 award."

"I did not seek to enrich myself," Snowden said. "I did not seek to sell US secrets. I did not partner with any foreign government to guarantee my safety."
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Jul 15, 2013 - 08:46pm PT
Wednesday, Nov 23, 2011 09:17 AM PDT
Bush and Blair found guilty of war crimes for Iraq attack
A tribunal in Malaysia applies the Nuremberg Principles to brand the two leaders as war criminals
By Glenn Greenwald

A tribunal in Malaysia, spearheaded by that nation’s former Prime Minister, yesterday found George Bush and Tony Blair guilty of “crimes against peace” and other war crimes for their 2003 aggressive attack on Iraq, as well as fabricating pretexts used to justify the attack. The seven-member Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal — which featured an American law professor as one of its chief prosecutors — has no formal enforcement power, but was modeled after a 1967 tribunal in Sweden and Denmark that found the U.S. guilty of a war of aggression in Vietnam, and, even more so, after the U.S.-led Nuremberg Tribunal held after World War II. Just as the U.S. steadfastly ignored the 1967 tribunal on Vietnam, Bush and Blair both ignored the summons sent to them and thus were tried in absentia.

The tribunal ruled that Bush and Blair’s name should be entered in a register of war criminals, urged that they be recognized as such under the Rome Statute, and will also petition the International Criminal Court to proceed with binding charges. Such efforts are likely to be futile, but one Malaysian lawyer explained the motives of the tribunal to The Associated Press: “For these people who have been immune from prosecution, we want to put them on trial in this forum to prove that they committed war crimes.” In other words, because their own nations refuse to hold them accountable and can use their power to prevent international bodies from doing so, the tribunal wanted at least formal legal recognition of these war crimes to be recorded and the evidence of their guilt assembled. That’s the same reason a separate panel of this tribunal will hold hearings later this year on charges of torture against Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and others.

http://www.salon.com/2011/11/23/bush_and_blair_found_guilty_of_war_crimes_for_iraq_attack/

Glenn Greenwald (email: GGreenwald@salon.com) is a former Constitutional and civil rights litigator and is the author of three New York Times Bestselling books: two on the Bush administration's executive power and foreign policy abuses, and his latest book, With Liberty and Justice for Some, an indictment of America's two-tiered system of justice. Greenwald was named by The Atlantic as one of the 25 most influential political commentators in the nation. He is the recipient of the first annual I.F. Stone Award for Independent Journalism, and is the winner of the 2010 Online Journalism Association Award for his investigative work on the arrest and oppressive detention of Bradley Manning.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Jul 15, 2013 - 08:50pm PT
Here’s what I find striking about this. Virtually every Serious political and media elite in America, by definition, would scoff at this tribunal; few things are considered more fringe or ludicrous than the notion that George Bush and Tony Blair should be punished as war criminals just because they aggressively attacked another nation and caused the deaths of at least 150,000 innocent people and the displacement of millions more. But the only thing this Malaysian tribunal is doing is applying the clear principles of the Nuremberg Tribunal as enunciated by lead prosecutor and former U.S. Attorney General Robert Jackson in his Opening and Closing Statements at Nuremberg:

The central crime in this pattern of crimes, the kingpin which holds them all together, is the plot for aggressive wars. The chief reason for international cognizance of these crimes lies in this fact. . . .

What makes this inquest significant is that these prisoners represent sinister influences that will lurk in the world long after their bodies have returned to dust. . . . . And let me make clear that while this law is first applied against German aggressors, the law includes, and if it is to serve a useful purpose it must condemn aggression by any other nations, including those which sit here now in judgment.

The “kingpin” crime of the German defendants was not genocide or ethnic cleansing, but rather “the plot for aggressive war,” and the only way that the Nuremberg Tribunal will “serve a useful purpose” is if it applies equally in the future to “aggression by any other nations, including those which sit here now in judgment.” Who do you think history will (and should) look more favorably upon? Those in this Kuala Lumpur tribunal who objected to the heinous war crime that is the attack on Iraq and attempted to hold the responsible leaders accountable under the Nuremberg principles, or those in America and Britain who mocked those efforts (when they weren’t ignoring them) and demanded that they and their leaders be fully exempted from the principles they imposed and decreed as universal after World War II?
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Jul 15, 2013 - 08:51pm PT
UPDATE: Andrew Sullivan, who yesterday expressed angry bafflement over the fact that many liberals do not swoon for President Obama the way Jon Chait does, today noted that the U.S. under Obama imposes even less accountability for abuse of power and war crimes than does Bahrain:

Bahrain’s Sunni government promised “no immunity” for anyone suspected of abuses and said it would propose creating a permanent human rights watchdog commission. “All those who have broken the law or ignored lawful orders and instructions will be held accountable,” said a government statement, which says the report acknowledges that the “systematic practice of mistreatment” ended shortly after martial law was repealed on June 1.

As Andrew put it: “So a Middle East dictatorship has more democratic accountability for abuse of power, including torture, than the US under Obama.” Beyond things like this and the facts set forth in the last paragraph here, perhaps Andrew could use today’s post of his to help clear up the towering mystery he raised yesterday of liberal disenchantment with Obama. That American war criminals are being aggressively shielded from any and all accountability is not an ancillary matter but one of enduring historical significance.
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