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Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Jul 17, 2013 - 04:52pm PT
Good one crotch. Wonder why english language news agencies aren't picking it up?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jul 17, 2013 - 07:36pm PT
Now we have "three hops", and this:

"The statute says 'collection'," congressman Jerrold Nadler told Cole. "You're trying to confuse us by talking use."


Also:

"You're going to lose it entirely,"



Read all about it:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/17/nsa-surveillance-house-hearing
crøtch

climber
Jul 17, 2013 - 08:04pm PT
I'd love to see a full English transcript of the remarks Carter made yesterday, Don Paul. My German friend turned me on to Carter's statement. It's startling when a living former president says that there is no democracy in the US. Was he talking about Congressional gridlock or NSA spying? More context is needed.
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Jul 17, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
From the comments section of the Guardian news article, NSA warned to rein in surveillance as agency reveals even greater scope (referenced four posts up by k-man) regarding the House panel on the NSA:


"NSA has confirmed that it monitors three (3) degrees of separation (hops) from a suspect.
As we are all 4.74 degrees of separation from each other (source: University of Milan), not the 6 degrees that's popularly believed, the NSA has likely monitored everyone on earth whom uses electronic transmission devices (phone, internet, etc) since it began this monitoring."



Separating You and Me? 4.74 Degrees

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/22/technology/between-you-and-me-4-74-degrees.html?_r=0
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Jul 17, 2013 - 08:44pm PT
More from the Guardian article referenced above:

'Inglis, Cole and Robert Litt, the senior legal counsel for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, also argued that the surveillance activities were restricted by the oversight of Congress and the Fisa court. Legislators challenged both contentions.

Congressman Spencer Bachus said he "was not aware at all" of the extent of the surveillance, since the NSA programs were primarily briefed to the intelligence committees of the House and Senate.

Congresswoman Zoe Lofgren revealed that an annual report provided to Congress by the government about the phone-records collection, something cited by intelligence officials as an example of their disclosures to Congress, is "less than a single page and not more than eight sentences".'


... And this in the comments section:

'If the congress wants more details about the details into NSA programs beyond the "less than a single page and not more than eight sentences" disclosure they've received from the NSA, there's a great source for them to contact - he's currently in the Sheremetyevo transit lounge.
Seriously, if there's no current dialogue between congress and Snowden, there needs to be. Why not go direct to the source?'

Lol!
And not a bad idea.

Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Jul 17, 2013 - 08:54pm PT
Another of the readers comments from the aforementioned Guardian article:

'The three hop theory applies to when they get solid negatives in their results.
Once any of the hops reveal any fabricated connection, they then get a renewed three -hops to continue. So in theory, the hops can cascade without limit, just so lone [sic] as any portion of any hop justifies the next three hops.'


While perhaps the majority population are either oblivious, uninterested, and/or in a state massive collective denial, these recent quasi-obfuscated admissions from the NSA regarding 'hops' once examined and deciphered appear to confirm what Edward Snowden's whistle blowing states explicitly:

"Any analyst at any time can target anyone, any selector, anywhere. Where those communications will be picked up depends on the range of the sensor networks and the authorities that analyst is empowered with. Not all analysts have the ability to target everything. But I sitting at my desk certainly had the authorities to wiretap anyone from you or your accountant to a Federal judge to even the President if I had a personal e-mail."
-Edward Snowden

Remember, that's the crux of Snowden's whistle blowing. The critical importance of making that known to the U.S. public is the value he's placed on his safety and his future.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jul 17, 2013 - 09:06pm PT
Why is The Guardian the only source for all this?

Am I really supposed to believe in this entrenched-interest angle that's supposedly keeping Congress and the MSM from getting involved?


Because the Guardian lies like the FBI, is that's what you're insinuating Joe?

We quote FBI agents, and Joe's reply is "They lie." The Guardian runs an article, and Joe's reply is "we trust one guy?" Watch out Joe, there's only so much sand to stick your head into, and those climate change denier's already have the Sahara sewn up.
WBraun

climber
Jul 17, 2013 - 09:08pm PT
Snowden compromised nothing at all.

Stupid people here don't realize he's revealed nothing new that wasn't already revealed years ago while all you stupid fools were asleep at the wheel.

All he revealed was already revealed for years.

Except you stupid fools labeled it as a conspiracy theory.

Now that the MSM actually made it front page news people became shocked like it was something no one ever knew.

Americans are so stupid .....
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jul 17, 2013 - 09:11pm PT
It's time Joe.

Go to the bank, take out all your money, and buy a clue.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/07/17-9

Is two sources enough, or do you still need more proof this happened. Geeze...
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Jul 17, 2013 - 09:22pm PT
The extended metaphorical implication of the recent NSA's admissions on the extent of the domestic spying is that as it stands, every United States citizen is a 'suspect' based on communication chains.

Rhetorical question:
What is such a modus operandi capable of producing?
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Jul 17, 2013 - 09:23pm PT

The Citizens United case held that corporations can make unlimited campaign contributions because they have freedom of speech. Carter has also referred to this as legal bribery.
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Jul 17, 2013 - 09:23pm PT
Let's go down the rabbit hole....

"Hippity hop, hippity hop, hippity hop....
If Osama bin Laden called the New York Times, and I also called the New York Times around the same time, then everybody else that I called or who called me on my cellphone or business line or engaged in email correspondence with is also within a NSA "three hop query" from a man accused of mass murder and crimes against humanity.
If Edward Snowden communicated with Glenn Greenwald, and I also communicated with Glenn Greenwald around the same time, then everybody else that I called or who called me on my cellphone or business line or engaged in email correspondence with is also within a NSA "three hop query" from a man charged with violating the Espionage Act.
Hippity hop, hippity hop, hippity hop....."

-Another thoughtful reader comment ; )
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Jul 17, 2013 - 09:30pm PT
Nobody steps forward to blow the whistle because they see how those that do get bent over and aşşfuked without vaseline. As expected there's no one waiting in line volunteering.
The reason why Snowden had to leave the country to speak out and I concur it was a wise decision.
WBraun

climber
Jul 17, 2013 - 09:31pm PT
Hedge -- "There's nothing there."

We know that there's nothing in your head.

You don't have to keep telling us you know nothing.

You can take your vacation now.

Eat some ice cream too.

Ice cream is nice .....
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Jul 17, 2013 - 09:37pm PT
'The extended logical implication'.

i.e.

'The logical implication'.


All U.S. citizens' communications can be monitored because we are all under suspicion by dint of the 'natural order' of the chain of communications.


Perfectly draconian.
Perfectly paranoid.
Totally empowering.
goatboy smellz

climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
Jul 17, 2013 - 09:46pm PT


WBraun


Hedge -- "There's nothing there."

We know that there's nothing in your head.

You don't have to keep telling us you know nothing.

You can take your vacation now.

Eat some ice cream too.

Ice cream is nice .....

SIZZLE!
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jul 17, 2013 - 09:49pm PT
You're reacting to drama, not facts. There's nothing there.


Move along, no House judiciary committee looking at this, all just drama... No facts ...


Hahahahahahahaha ...
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Jul 17, 2013 - 09:51pm PT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_who_have_sex_with_men

Men who have sex with men (abbreviated as MSM, also known as males who have sex with males) are male persons who engage in sexual activity with members of the same sex, regardless of how they identify themselves; many men choose not to (or cannot for other reasons) accept sexual identities of homosexual or bisexual.[1] The term was created in the 1990s by epidemiologists in order to study the spread of disease among men who have sex with men, regardless of identity.[1]
The term MSM is often used in medical literature and social research to describe such men as a group for research studies without considering issues of self-identification.


(not that there's anything wrong with that)
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Jul 17, 2013 - 10:05pm PT
Here's where congress' head touches reality:

The Iraq Resolution or the Iraq War Resolution (formally the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002,[1] Pub.L. 107–243, 116 Stat. 1498, enacted October 16, 2002, H.J.Res. 114) is a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No: 107-243, authorizing military action against Iraq.


Passed in the House and Senate as they believed that Saddam Hussein had WMDs and extensively aided al-Qaeda!




Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 17, 2013 - 10:07pm PT
Again, where is the domestic MSM on this? Where is Congress on this? They've both been cowed? Both Congress and the press

Joe, you a hallucinating

this story has been all fuking over the MSM AND the internet

outrage on ALL the Sunday morning talk shows

President Carter for christ sake just yesterday speaking against the NSA spying

NUMEROUS members of CONGRESS has expressed their personal outrage

yet YOU make up your own reality that it is a media non issue

on this, you are as fixated, arrogant, and factually ignorant as those on the political right you do deservedly criticize for the SAME behavior
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