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Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 2, 2013 - 01:12pm PT
Absolutely refuse....

Lol. HE ABSOLUTELY REFUSES!!!!!111111

Off with his hedge!

Can I get a modicum of respect from you guys? Politarding me isn't the way to go. I'm the fence sitter in this discussion, believe it or not. I'm the guy you should be trying to convince. Trust me, repeatedly dropping terms like 'op/sec' does your argument more harm than good.

I heard your core argument - security is worth more than freedom. Its an old debate and it is not a black and white issue. You seem incapable or intolerant of such real world perspectives that suggest at best, at BEST, spying is a necedssary evil.

DMT
jghedge

climber
Jul 2, 2013 - 01:21pm PT
"I heard your core argument - security is worth more than freedom. Its an old debate and it is not a black and white issue."


Nope. Mine is that the gov't collecting phone records represents no loss of freedom in the first place. If and when something like that actually happens, I'd be concerned, but to fret over records the telco's already have, which you're literally paying them to receive, and which the SC has already rules doesn't violate the 4th amendment when given to a 3rd party, is legally and factually groundless.


"You seem incapable or intolerant of such real world perspectives that suggest at best, at BEST, spying is a necedssary evil."

I'm saying spying is a necessary evil. You're describing the above scenario (data mining) as spying, which characterization I (and the courts) disagree with, and saying it isn't necessary.

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 2, 2013 - 01:39pm PT
I'm saying spying is a necessary evil. You're describing the above scenario (data mining) as spying, which characterization I (and the courts) disagree with, and saying it isn't necessary.

Yes that frames the issue.

DMT
WBraun

climber
Jul 2, 2013 - 04:28pm PT
Maybe we should put up all the US people who were blackmailed, murdered and had their lives fuked over by the NSA.

How they used it to fuk America royal and start all those wars.

But Hedge doesn't have clue about any of it.

He's too busy being the MSM version of a talking head.

He wouldn't have the first clue where to find the info.

He's too busy sucking up to Obama's and prior Bush's stupid corrupt handlers.

Disgraceful, pathetic and cowardly UNAMERICAN ....
jghedge

climber
Jul 2, 2013 - 04:31pm PT
"Maybe we should put up all the US people who were blackmailed, murdered and had their lives fuked over by the NSA."


Any names? Links?

Stories, anecdotes, rumors?

Anything?


Because I think I can come up with a few terrorism victims if I look real hard...
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jul 2, 2013 - 04:35pm PT
Sad day. Snowden is f*cked.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jul 2, 2013 - 04:54pm PT
Joe, here's you putting words in my mouth:

Here's you: "My gov't is treating me like a terrorist, therefore the terrorists shouldn't be treated like terrorists, or anything done to stop them, because 'I don't buy it'.

I didn't say any of that. But you knew that, right? Because you know as well as I, if the US gov't treated me like a terrorist, I wouldn't be typing. So piss off with your stupid mental mockery jack-off.



And yeah, I do remember Bush saying he'd stop at nothing until the one who leaked Plane's name was behind bars. Because you remember so well, perhaps you can tell me how many days Libby spent behind bars for perjury.
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Jul 2, 2013 - 05:07pm PT
Any names? Links?

Stories, anecdotes, rumors?

Anything?

Well for starts lies about Viet Nam but that's easy.

Try this one 1968, When Ronnie got in a tad later with his crew that was the same crew who lied and murdered under Bushie 1 and II and still do hell that's easy too

Credit: lostinshanghai
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Jul 2, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
Comment posted to a news blog captures the irony:


'This should be the headline :

"US government charges man for spying, because he warned US citizens they are being spied on" '

jghedge

climber
Jul 2, 2013 - 05:15pm PT

"I didn't say any of that. But you knew that, right?"

That's your attitude, and the effect of what you're advocating.


"Because you remember so well, perhaps you can tell me how many days Libby spent behind bars for perjury."

What point are you trying to make with that? Bush pardoned the leaker, and refused to fire the others. How does that compare with what Obama's doing with Snowden? You think he's going to pardon him?

goatboy smellz

climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
Jul 2, 2013 - 05:21pm PT
Privacy was never mentioned in the constitution or the bill of rights.
You folks need to settle down, you're just not that important to the NSA for them to care about you.
Except Hedge, he's a dead man.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Jul 2, 2013 - 05:21pm PT
Imagine how Nixon and Hoover could have magnified their Enemies List with the internet spying tools of today.
jghedge

climber
Jul 2, 2013 - 05:28pm PT
"Well for starts lies about Viet Nam but that's easy."


VIETNAM???

The gov't accessing the phone records you pay Verizon to create is comparable to VIETNAM?

Like I said yesterday, the stench of desperation from you guys just gets stronger by the hour


Your refusal to address the issue at hand, and invent ridiculous historical references, would make even the dumbest tea bagger proud.





rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jul 2, 2013 - 05:35pm PT
the issue at hand is the belief that the disregard of the constitution has ANY positive value to the citizens of the nation.





you have no examples of its suscess except " these rich powerful people told me it did and i believe them"

and with that in hand, your willing to ignored the case history evidence which show the opposite,

shows that IF those people right in this case

it will be the first time those people have told the truth ever...
jghedge

climber
Jul 2, 2013 - 05:37pm PT
Uh oh..

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324436104578582253203190728.html


Bolivia said Tuesday that a plane carrying President Evo Morales home from Moscow was forced to land in Austria after France and Portugal denied permission for it to enter their airspace, amid speculation that he could be carrying National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden.

Bolivian Foreign Minister David Choquehuanca denied at a news conference in Bolivia's capital La Paz that Mr. Snowden was on board. He said having him on the plane would have violated international norms.


Yes the EU is pissed at Obama...but they won't let a plane carrying a foreign leader fly over their airspace if they even think Snowden's on it


Time to start waking up...this is treason, plain and simple.


rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jul 2, 2013 - 05:38pm PT
shows what influence the american cesspool excercises over the seemingly free world...

sad
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jul 2, 2013 - 05:38pm PT
The founding father's couldn't have fathomed internet, telecommunications, cell phones, etc. There is a whole bunch of sh*t that they didn't know would happen. That's why there are amendments made to our laws, to update.




Uh oh..

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324436104578582253203190728.html


Bolivia said Tuesday that a plane carrying President Evo Morales home from Moscow was forced to land in Austria after France and Portugal denied permission for it to enter their airspace, amid speculation that he could be carrying National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden.

Bolivian Foreign Minister David Choquehuanca denied at a news conference in Bolivia's capital La Paz that Mr. Snowden was on board. He said having him on the plane would have violated international norms.


Yes the EU is pissed at Obama...but they won't let a plane carrying a foreign leader fly over their airspace if they even think Snowden's on it


Time to start waking up...this is treason, plain and simple.




It's not treason. The U.S. is very powerful, they can manipulate smaller governments into doing whatever. We have our hands in everything everywhere. For you to assume those countries are doing it because he's a traitor, you are a simple minded fool following what the government wants you sheople to think. He could have gone about this a lot more clever and quietly if he was a traitor.


rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jul 2, 2013 - 05:38pm PT
sadder even than reading the wsj
jghedge

climber
Jul 2, 2013 - 05:52pm PT


"the issue at hand is the belief that the disregard of the constitution has ANY positive value to the citizens of the nation."

Well, whoever's "belief" that is needs to do their homework, because the SC already decided that gov't collection of 3rd party records doesn't violate the 4th amendment, as I've said 20 times on this thread. You might not agree, but there's certainly no "disregard" there. The opposite is true - a SC ruling decided that 3rd party records (and the case specifically involved phone records) were not protected.
jghedge

climber
Jul 2, 2013 - 06:03pm PT
"For you to assume those countries are doing it because he's a traitor, you are a simple minded fool following what the government wants you sheople to think. He could have gone about this a lot more clever and quietly if he was a traitor."


I'm not making any assumptions - I'm quoting the WSJ.

I have no idea why they're doing what they're doing. But I do think he's a traitor.


Really astonishing to see the lack of thinking-through here. Do you people in your naiveté really want covert intel operations to end? For no one to cooperate with us against their own oppressive regime, for fear that someone like Snowden will defect and reveal the operation they're secretly participating with us in - and the defector will be treated like a hero?
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