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Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Jul 11, 2013 - 02:01pm PT
The pattern (repeated):

"In the immediate aftermath of the atomic bomb, the allied occupation authorities banned all mention of radiation poisoning and insisted that people had been killed or injured only by the bomb's blast. It was the first big lie. "No radioactivity in Hiroshima ruin" said the front page of the New York Times, a classic of disinformation and journalistic abdication, which the Australian reporter Wilfred Burchett put right with his scoop of the century. "I write this as a warning to the world," reported Burchett in the Daily Express, having reached Hiroshima after a perilous journey, the first correspondent to dare. He described hospital wards filled with people with no visible injuries but who were dying from what he called "an atomic plague". For telling this truth, his press accreditation was withdrawn, he was pilloried and smeared - and vindicated."
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Jul 11, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
Jghedge's reply above is yet more evidence of his being a compulsive psychopathic liar.

'Yup, that was deserved. Basically confirmed what I already suspected. Some of you'd be happy if we lost a major pop center. All the more reason to ignore your ignorance, and the opinions based on it.

It's central, vital, and necessary to note that there was no mention - or even the vaguest oblique hint - that the poster was 'happy if we lost a major pop center'. There was no mention of happiness, joy, pleasure, satisfaction, or for that matter any emotion whatsoever. The poster was expressing an opinion that eventually - whether in a U.S. city or a future superpower's city - it was inevitable that eventually a nuke would be used despite the deterrent of universal data mining.

The effort jghedge is going through to lie to you about his own actions and viewpoints is important to note. It displays the same complete lack of respect for you that his comment that "God, you f*#king people are worthless human trash" does. He believes that you are all gullible and stupid, and that arrived at via his own ignorance.

It's a matter of ideology. When people are worthless human trash it doesn't matter is you lie to them continually, misinform them deliberately, deny them their rights and freedoms, invade their privacy, torture them, detain them indefinitely, or assassinate them by executive order.

It's important to know and understand people not through the veil of appearances they present to the world, but by their true colors.



Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Jul 11, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
Jghedge did one more dishonest thing. He went from a single poster's words to the generalisation "you people". He's clearly a tool and seems to be a compulsive verbal manipulator... American Democrats do not need enemies if they have got friends like Jghedge...
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Jul 11, 2013 - 02:33pm PT
Jghedge did one more dishonest thing. He went from a single poster's words to the generalisation "you people". He's clearly a tool and seems to be a compulsive verbal manipulator...

Absolutely.
His practice of rhetorical gibberish which runs constant throughout his posts.

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 11, 2013 - 03:00pm PT
Thank hedge for helping us to sharpen our thoughts and arguments.

And its quite easy to avoid the personal slagging, if yall want to. Understand that 'you people' is a rhetorical device, and is rarely personal. Most often when someone says 'you people' they really mean 'you ANIMALS' (like our high school study hall monitors haha).

Or go Werner's route and let the insults fly. But know he was Hedge's Yosemite mentor and they've been friends for a couple of decades. And Werner doesn't take the name calling seriously and responding to him in kind is like flicking water drops onto a ducks back in an effort to irritate the duck... yer wasting yer time :-D

Hedge has scored a few points in this debate, make no mistake. And he's good at making his point. I get that point but also know there are hard men with terrible eyes in high places who WILL DO ANYTHING and I mean ANYTHING, to win. Some of those fuks (I was going to type folks) are running and operating the U.S. secret services. They torture people for a living. Those people are EVIL and I don't give a goddamned they are on 'our side.' In fact I am ASHAMED of CIA and ALL OF ITS EMPLOYEES. Every last father's daughter among them.

DMT
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Jul 11, 2013 - 03:31pm PT
Guys...cmon. I know you're emotionally invested in this up to your eyeballs, but a little less drama

this coming from teh guy who has posted 24/7 on this thread and kept it going (where is obvious)...really?

and you insinuate others are emotionally invovled in this?

lmao.

you must have blown a fuse there joe.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jul 11, 2013 - 03:58pm PT
They found Snowden in Siberia.





























Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Jul 11, 2013 - 04:28pm PT
The Cooperation between Microsoft and the NSA revealed

"Microsoft has collaborated closely with US intelligence services to allow users' communications to be intercepted, including helping the National Security Agency to circumvent the company's own encryption, according to top-secret documents obtained by the Guardian.

The files provided by Edward Snowden illustrate the scale of co-operation between Silicon Valley and the intelligence agencies over the last three years. They also shed new light on the workings of the top-secret Prism program, which was disclosed by the Guardian and the Washington Post last month.

The documents show that:

• Microsoft helped the NSA to circumvent its encryption to address concerns that the agency would be unable to intercept web chats on the new Outlook.com portal;

• The agency already had pre-encryption stage access to email on Outlook.com, including Hotmail;

• The company worked with the FBI this year to allow the NSA easier access via Prism to its cloud storage service SkyDrive, which now has more than 250 million users worldwide;

• Microsoft also worked with the FBI's Data Intercept Unit to "understand" potential issues with a feature in Outlook.com that allows users to create email aliases;

• Skype, which was bought by Microsoft in October 2011, worked with intelligence agencies last year to allow Prism to collect video of conversations as well as audio;

• Material collected through Prism is routinely shared with the FBI and CIA, with one NSA document describing the program as a "team sport".

The latest NSA revelations further expose the tensions between Silicon Valley and the Obama administration. All the major tech firms are lobbying the government to allow them to disclose more fully the extent and nature of their co-operation with the NSA to meet their customers' privacy concerns. Privately, tech executives are at pains to distance themselves from claims of collaboration and teamwork given by the NSA documents, and insist the process is driven by legal compulsion."

The whole article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Jul 11, 2013 - 06:23pm PT


Credit: lostinshanghai

Would you like this guy at some time to be your Sec. of Defense, the one that wrote Rex 84 [Readiness Exercise 1984] Murders too many to count but will kill you as will Erik Prince R2 with their gang of mercs.

Credit: lostinshanghai

Garden Plot is the newest one? well just updated been around as well.

Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Jul 11, 2013 - 07:01pm PT
The more one examines the NSA's data mining, the more one finds how ineffective it is to thwart terrorism. This is the main point that should be kept in mind no matter where the discussion veers. One need only look at the commentary of NSA whistle blowers familiar with the programs, the authentic terrorism cases that have been successfully prosecuted (not the terrorism plots manufactured by the FBI wherein they supply the plan, supply the weapons and money, supply the support, and supply the opportunity), and the terrorism plots that were successful despite the domestic metadata collection.

"Faisal Shahzad delivered his bomb to Times Square and no one knew about him until that day. If you take the case in Boston with Tamerlan Tsarnaev, this was someone that the FBI even looked at and decided he’s not a threat."
-Joshua Holland
[Shocker: Only 1% of So Called Terrorists Nabbed by the FBI Were Real
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/fbis-terror-scam?page=0%2C0]


"Arrest of Zasi (NY Subway Bomber) has been used as a testimony to the effectiveness of the widespread mass surveillance programs by the NSA, although it has been revealed that his capture was not linked to any of them"





The surveillance and security industry has grown so large and profitable that it has taken on a life of its own: fear, misinformation, mischaracterization, secrecy and legal protection maintain it. it would be interesting to know the amount of money lobbyists for the industry have spent. And then of course, there's the ever present temptation of blackmail as a coercive tool insofar as the NSA essentially owns everyone's secrets.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Jul 12, 2013 - 04:46am PT
This morning there was a guy trying to get through my door. 40-50 years of age, a little bit overweight, looked well washed, but sweaty, short dark hair, thick black spectacles, white striped shirt, a brown leather bag in his left hand. You know, we never see this kind of guys in the eastern part of the city. When they're here, they're errand boys sent from a stranger part of the world...
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jul 12, 2013 - 10:24am PT
Those damn terrorists, they are everywhere.

link: In 'Chilling' Ruling, Chevron Granted Access to Activists' Private Internet Data

"Sweeping" subpoena violates rights of those who spoke out against oil giant's devastating actions in Ecuador

A federal judge has ruled to allow Chevron, through a subpoena to Microsoft, to collect the IP usage records and identity information for email accounts owned by over 100 environmental activists, journalists and attorneys.


This is the real goal of the mass surveillance system, to crush the rise of the people against the global corporate overlords, not to thwart some imaginary brown-skinned bomber with a nuke.


Not to worry though, another black flag op will convince us it's for our own good.
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Jul 12, 2013 - 12:10pm PT
You need to look into the Chevron case to see what its about. A multi billion dollar judgement in Ecuador with pretty solid proof of bribing the judge. I'm a human rights lawyer and there is no higher calling in my opinion, but bribing a judge, and writing his opinion is not allowed. Chevron already proved that the judge's order is word for word the same as a legal memo written by the plaintiffs counsel beforehand. I know several of the lawyers involved personally and they are pretty dirty, one of them recently sanction $50 k by the court for an environmental case, the people supposedly got cancer but then it turned out they never saw a doctor and only thought they had cancer. This is not big brother surveillance, it's a legitimate subpeona imo.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jul 12, 2013 - 12:45pm PT
Don, the use of NSA data by a cooperation is NOT within the charter of the program. Unless, of course, you consider multinational corporations to be an arm of the government.

Dirty pool or not, giving NSA data to corporations is illegal, pure and simple.


Now, if the tables were turned, and We The People were able to subpena records on the corporations whom we believe to be breaking the law, perhaps we'd be better off. But I doubt it, even with hard evidence, our gov't refuses to go after the big fish who rake billion$ from We The People.

And yes, I can name cases to uphold this last accusation.
WBraun

climber
Jul 12, 2013 - 12:52pm PT
Where the fuk is Hedge today.

We're going to flush him down the toilet today for his bullsh!t.

:-)
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Jul 12, 2013 - 02:03pm PT
Dingus:

And its quite easy to avoid the personal slagging, if yall want to. Understand that 'you people' is a rhetorical device, and is rarely personal. Most often when someone says 'you people' they really mean 'you ANIMALS' (like our high school study hall monitors haha).

Or go Werner's route and let the insults fly. But know he was Hedge's Yosemite mentor and they've been friends for a couple of decades. And Werner doesn't take the name calling seriously and responding to him in kind is like flicking water drops onto a ducks back in an effort to irritate the duck... yer wasting yer time :-D


It's a simple matter of keeping a particular type of trolling in check.
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Jul 12, 2013 - 03:18pm PT
k-man, its not a subpeona for nsa data, its a subpeona to a google for a customer's emails, happens all the time. I can issue subpeonas like this myself, although I've never had occasion to do so for a third party. My provider only keeps my emails for a couple of years, and I have no obligation to keep them, so if my emails are ever subpeonaed, there are only 2 years worth. If google's emails go back 9 years, they probably consider it to be a service to their customers to keep them that long.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Jul 12, 2013 - 03:23pm PT
Where the fuk is Hedge today.

We're going to flush him down the toilet today for his bullsh!t.

he is spinning in the drain, along with a turd.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Jul 12, 2013 - 03:27pm PT
Snowden seems to be able to attract attractive women, first the ballerina and now leaker and human rights types:

Credit: ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Not supermodels but pretty cute for press conferences in a Russian airport.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jul 12, 2013 - 04:12pm PT
Don, you're right (of course). The Chevron inquiry had nothing to do with the NSA--they subpoenaed the records from MSFT. No FICA court involvement...

My bad. It just came up at a time when the NSA is in the papers for subpoenaing MSFT for such records, and my numb brain made the incorrect connection.
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