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PSP also PP

Trad climber
Jun 14, 2013 - 12:43am PT
"this technology can theoretically extract all,"

The key word there is .................. starts with a t, it is not this or technology.

Everyone would love to have a safe nuke plant with no waste. we would also like to work less and climb when ever we want.

I think I recall Hartouni writing something about the thorium plants not working out.

He is smart and not bias so I believe him.


Trad climber
Jun 14, 2013 - 12:48am PT
it comical how proponents of these plants rely on the positions that " you cant prevent all human failures!" as a reasons to accept their provisions

dumb f*#ks

earth to hate the rest of the world and wants us to die
there is an extremely simple method of preventing all human failures regarding nuclear power plants

dont built em
then nobody can fail running them

simple simple

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jun 14, 2013 - 01:38am PT
No argument about Dr. Hartouni's intelligence, sir...but the Chinese and Indians are smart, also. And they're going forward with thorium reactors. Thorium reactors do work.

But my last post wasn't about Thorium reactors, PSP...rather fast neutron breeder reactors.

Our conventional power reactors utilize Uranium 235 and extract about 1% of the fuels energy. These "water reactors" cannot utilize Uranium 238. Uranium 238 is 140 times more plentiful in the Earths crust than Uranium 235.

A fast neutron breeder reactor transforms Uranium 238 into Plutonium 239 which is a more useful nuclear fuel, bestowing much more energy with much more innocuous spent fuel.

And an upshot of breeder reactor technology is present stores of spent fuel (from our present water reactors) can be reprocessed and much more of their contained energy released. Prototype breeder reactors were built in Idaho in mid-twentieth century and proven to work. The most efficient have been built by the French.

Certainly, other nations will proceed with breeder reactors...
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jun 17, 2013 - 02:40am PT
Thorium fuel cycle is a technical possibility that probably cannot overcome regulatory requirements with enough certainty to attract the high level of capital investment to realize a commercial power plant in the US...

that is what I said.

It's possible that other countries could pursue this technology, whether or not they succeed in commercializing the technology will be very interesting. Whether or not it becomes a part of the US energy mix is another question. I'd bet not.

The "energy crisis" will have to be solved with technologies we already have in hand. Conventional nuclear (Gen IV or Gen V?) is possible... everything else nuclear will require R&D time periods longer than the onset of the needs.

This is my opinion.
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Jun 17, 2013 - 04:12am PT
while i admit i am biased towards nuclear, it seems Jennie is the only one here using facts and science as the base of her arguments.

in regards to water outlets, my dad did a lot of surveying and engineering work with the outlets of the St. Lucie plant in south florida. yes it was a great place to fish, but the guys with binocs and high powered rifles on the shore made it less so.

Trad climber
Jun 17, 2013 - 07:24am PT
facts and science clearly show that corperate dictates will always prevent the right decisions from being made in a timely fashion

the ramifications of nuclear accidents dont allow for this

the only way to prevent their occurance is to never build the accidents ingredients in the first place

you think the fact they cant even get off the ground without the public underwritting their expense would make this clear


Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
Jul 9, 2013 - 09:43am PT

No one died, nor is likely to die, according to the most comprehensive assessments since the Fukushima nuclear plant was hit by a massive earthquake and tsunami in March 2011.


Trad climber
Jul 9, 2013 - 10:39am PT
amazing what reports you can write once youve externalized the harms caused

Social climber
Jul 9, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
Let the spin begin....

Mr. Yoshida took a leave from Tokyo Electric in late 2011 after receiving a diagnosis of esophageal cancer. Experts have said his illness was not a result of radiation exposure from the accident, given how quickly it came on.

The spin is even better at this link:
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jul 18, 2013 - 05:17am PT

Still rumbling and still hot.
Lord knows what the truth is on this one.
But history tells us that it is much worse than we are being told .

Trad climber
Jul 18, 2013 - 07:47am PT
"the reactor fuel pool stable..."

ya, still basical right there where it dumped out onto the floor after they blew it up...

Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jul 18, 2013 - 11:26am PT
Can you imagine how much radiation is dumping into the ocean here.

And I would have a hard time finding one single person at the hospital I work who knows about anything related to this situation.

I watched a really incredible documentary a few weeks ago.
It basically explained to me that what will most likely take us out is a gamma ray blast from an exploding star- can't remember what kind of exploding star but it was a special type of star rupture.
Really interesting though how common these massive gamma ray blasts are and how destructive they will be to our world.

That and distances are probably why life never lasts too long anywhere in the Universe... In my opinion ..


Trad climber
Jul 18, 2013 - 09:07pm PT
the dug holes and froze the land under chernobyl solid like they do for big infrastructure constructions projects to be certain that radioactives wouldnt reach the groud water.

they havnt even thought about doing that there next to the sea WHILE to have an ongoing spills 1000 times worse than the soviets and their bulldozing the surrounding forrest to construct the leaky storage tanks and spagetti hose networks that their inventing in trying to make this go away
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jul 18, 2013 - 09:08pm PT
Yup ... Exactly

Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
Jul 26, 2013 - 05:20pm PT
It is reported that there are about 1400 tons of highly radioactive spent nuclear fuel lying around at San Onofre, encased in "dry-casks" of lead, steel and concrete.
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