The Borders Of Decency, Breasts, And A Little Fun. Ladies?


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Trad climber
May 16, 2013 - 03:13pm PT
Some of the ST could could learn something from Urban Dictionary

Panties in a Bunch

1. When a person overreacts to a trifling insult or barb, or to a joke.

2. When someone acts in an anal-retentive manner, and makes a big fuss out of a relatively minor problem.
1. Don't get you're panties all in a bunch, he doesn't mean it.

2. It's not that big of a problem, don't get your panties all in a bunch, it's going to be okay.

EDIT: Don't make me repost the monkey boobs again
patrick compton

Trad climber
May 16, 2013 - 03:27pm PT
I'm offended by the gender-specific nature of 'panties.'

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
May 16, 2013 - 03:43pm PT
Daphne wrote:
Off White refers to empathy. But that requires a relationship to feelings and many men don't live with a lot of openness to feelings, so calling for empathy lands on deaf ears. I think that is why Love Gasoline doesn't get it. He's a guy and wants a rational explanation. Our feelings don't really matter to him.

Daphne, I don't recall posting what I was feeling emotionally good, bad, indifferent, a mix of the two, something more complex, or other.
I suppose you don't view yourself as perpetuating gender stereotypes. Could this be because you're a woman and as such, are unable to think clearly or rationally?

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
May 16, 2013 - 03:52pm PT
LuckPink wrote: @lovegasoline... Perhaps you did not see the whole of the original boob thread, the "underground" boob thread, Moosedrool's "I'm sorry" thread, and all the other threads that contained lewd photos of women with a leering, obsessive quality to them.

You are correct I did not. I saw Anastasia's thread, some other boob thread, and I think a sort of Tittays and Pancakes(?) thread, although I may be hallucinating the latter.

Anastasia has nothing to do with the direction that her thread went.

She was very encouraging during the progression of her thread. IIRC, other women posters posted boobs and expressed their pleasure in sharing and viewing them.

You have probably then missed the posts by Jennie, Jan , Gal, Leggs, Michelle, Happie and several other females (sorry RAM full)that describe so well the misogyny, and sexism that is rampant in those photographs. Daphne's post is on this thread and is well worth your read. You might have missed it. Did you read Tan Slacks posts? Many many men have posted here with the same observation of the eroticized abusiveness in the communication style of these posters.

I've read every post to this thread. If it was posted here and not back-edited or erased, I read it. There's a range of opinions and explanations contained in the posts you refer to, some of which I agree with and some of which I strongly disagree with.

Could it be that the (or one) issue is with certain individuals and not with boobs, or boobs being posted?

My view is similar to all the above.

Misogyny and sexism is a social malignancy. Misogyny is practiced by both women and men, the purpose of which is to devalue women in many ways simply because they are women.

I share your views of misogyny and sexism. But we likely have differences concerning what we consider devaluing.

Abusiveness in communication or bullying is a style that uses belligerence, belittling, blame, criticism, character attacks, humiliation, et al to dominate a conversation or interchange. The goal is to diminish and degrade the other. It is often characterized by impulsiveness and an underlying hostility. It can be expressed both aggressively and passively.

That can be applied across the board on Supertopo to every sub-genre of climbing content and to every sub-genre of non-climbing content. No subject matter on Supertopo is ever free of that.

The posts on ST that are of naked women often eroticize that abusiveness, hence the calling of names for those who express a dislike of that style ie" pussy, prude, etc and calling men who express a dislike unmasculine.

I've seen name calling on this thread, from both sides. I'm used to seeing that on Supertopo. I'm little unclear about the eroticized abusiveness and name-calling. There appears to be name-calling behavior from both the pro-boob thread and anti-boob thread: I'm not exactly clear how being calling someone a prude is eroticized abusiveness. The corollary to this is if the name calling by the anti-boob contingent also eroticized?

Misogyny at the core gives males a privilege of eroticism. It is not a two way street. To play, a woman must become sexually and intellectually subservient, to know her place, so to speak. And that's what these lewd photos are about. Control and degradation. None of it is about breasts or beauty.

There's a lot of content in your above words to consider.
The boob posts that I viewed didn't appear to me to be about that. The dominant theme to me was exhibitionism, which I do not perceive as degrading. A secondary theme was beauty.

I'm an artist and as a student both male and female artists would work from the male and female model. Ditto for the photographers.

I'm not sure what pornography is, there's been great difficulty in defining it, and there's also the saying, "I know it when I see it," which doesn't really help. In the arts there's everything from the Venus of Willendorf to Robert Mapplethorpe to Viennese Actionism to Paul McCarthy to Yayoi Kusama to Vanessa Beecroft and on to every conceivable expression of the human form. As a child, I was aroused by the underwear ads in Sears and JC Penny catalogues! Furthermore, if I had to make a choice pro or con, I'd say I'm pro pornography. I don't perceive it as evil, bad, or unhealthy.

I hope this clears things up for you. I feel that I may be describing racism to a Klan member, quite frankly. Or Judaism to a Nazi. I must say I have no idea what you were trying to communicate in your postscript up thread. The sentiment you stated seemed to apply to those with opinion on both sides of the issue. Couldn't make it out. Anyway best of luck and goodwill on your personal journey.

My postscript is merely stating that much of the analysis of the boob thread (that I viewed) seems to fall short of the mark with black and white theories.
As regards to respecting everyone’s emotions, that includes respecting the emotions of hatred and dislike that the Klan and Nazis experience … as well as the emotions of hatred or dislike by misogynists and feminists. It’s often rewarding to look behind the emotions at the thoughts, ideas, concepts, and ideologies that give rise to them.
I appreciate your taking the to write up your thoughts.

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
May 16, 2013 - 04:38pm PT
Although I wouldn't define the boob pics I saw as pornographic, I'll put this feminist analysis on pornography out there to further the discourse:

A Feminist Overview of Pornography, Ending in a Defense Thereof,Gender,%20Class/feminsits_pornography.pdf

Social climber
Joshua Tree
May 16, 2013 - 04:48pm PT
eroticized abusiveness

Some people pay a lot of money for that. Quality dominatrix ain't free.

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
May 16, 2013 - 05:07pm PT
I want to thank everyone for their opinions, all the folks who felt strongly against pictures of boobs here, and wrote about their outrage, anger, sadness, harassment, threat, and fear. You have helped me to better understand just how valuable pictures of boobs are. I imagine a world in which pics of boobs did not exist. For many (but not all) of the fearful, harassed, depressed, sad, outraged, and angered … pics of boobs can be great therapy. There will always be haters and abusers, but we shouldn't allow them to control things. This opinion thread (more so than the boob threads) makes me understand just how important it is to have boob images in the world.

I conceive of boobs as benign, uplifting, and life affirming, having them all around is wonderful. I get the spirit of Anastasia's thread fully. It's a buzzkill though to have haters and abusers of any strip.

I can't speak for the greater good, but I'll claim my experience: I like boobs posted to Supertopo occasionally ... something I hadn't formed a strong opinion of before.

In fact, I'd like to see more images of boobs. Not just on Supertopo: EVERYWHERE!

I'd like to see a large pic of boobs projected behind the altar in churches, synagogues, and mosques.
I'd like a small portion of the news on TV devoted to images of breasts with some brief and affirmative commentary from the anchorperson.
I'd like to see posters of boobs in courtrooms.
I'd like to see boobs on highway signage and billboards.
I'd like each state of the union to embrace an official 'State Boob' image.
I'd like to see all the stars on the United States flag replaced by boobs.
I'd like the seal of the President of the United States to incorporate a large boob.
I'd like to see Bradley fighting tanks with large boobs painted on them.
I'd like to see elementary school classrooms in which children are taught how to draw boobs.
I’d like climbing forums to incorporate boobs.
I'd like genetic engineering to create living 'boob pits' in which angry and hostile people can be placed to relax.
I'd like crying women to be consoled with images of boobs.
I'd like hospitals to replace their TV programming in their waiting rooms with a succession of boob images.
I'd like cops to wear hats shaped like boobs.
I'd like the United Nations to change their logo to boobs and fly it on their flags and pennants.
I'd like to see all future Middle East Peace talks adopt trademarked imagery of two smiling boobs shaking hands.
I'd like USA Homeland Security agents issued a large boob patch for their jackets.
I'd like automobile seat designers to push even further towards creating seats that reproduce the experience of being smothered in boobs.
I'd like to replace the Statue of Liberty with a 300-foot tall boob welcoming immigrants to America.
I'd like to see all National Park Service welcome centers feature a seasonally changing boob exhibit to amaze and enchant foreign visitors.
I think these small changes can have a positive impact on the world.

Thank you Anastasia!
Thank you exhibitionist women for generously sharing your boobs with the world!
Thank you boob fans and appreciators!
Thank you boob photographers!
Thank you fashion designers who love to sculpt the boob!
Thank you topless hippy chicks!
Thank you 'regular' women who act on that urge to take off your top in public!
Thank you senior citizens who flash some boob!
Thank you Fattrad for your hideous manboobs!
Thank you Marilyn Monroe!
Thank you older men for your manboobs, you help spread unfathomable mystery!
Thank you artists of all stripes since time immemorial from the crafter of the Venus of Willendorf to the images on Anastasia's boob thread!
Thank you mom for your milky boobs!
Thank you universe for having the foresight to include boobs and to spread boob-joy throughout humanly measurable time!


May 16, 2013 - 05:10pm PT
lg, the best way to see boobs is up close!

May 16, 2013 - 05:12pm PT
I just cant help it..


May 16, 2013 - 05:16pm PT
Side boob.


Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
May 16, 2013 - 06:10pm PT
"Is Bruce a climber?
Me thinks not.
Seems like a poseur, and troll"

Yes 10b4me, Bruce is a climber. And a good one.

Credit: Cosmiccragsman
Credit: Cosmiccragsman


Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
May 16, 2013 - 08:55pm PT
Ironically (not), half my cull list self-culled and got themselves banned. I hope they rot in hell.

Rot in hell, huh? Sounds like you bring a lot of "open discourse" to the table. Dissenting opinions, or ones you disagree with, should never be seen?

Welcome to ObamaWorld! Put your head back into the sand (or some other orafice).

DMT comes off as a "climber", as I am too, but anybody he disagrees with is painted into a corner of 'only posting political crap', and self-absolves himself of ever commenting on politics.

One word. Hypocrite.

EDIT: It must be a grand world where you can filter out what you disagree with, rather than listen to other opinions and have a discourse.

You voted for censorship, right? Silencing those you disagree with. Like Eric Holder and Obama though, you'll digress into "i support free speech, but this is a climbing site", until you spout your own political garbage. Then it's okay.


May 16, 2013 - 08:58pm PT
bluring should help get things rollin again

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
May 16, 2013 - 09:04pm PT
bluring should help get things rollin again

As a human being I'm full of many things. Including sh#t.

But I like to freely espouse my opinions while I still can.

The Desert Oven
May 16, 2013 - 09:10pm PT
Hey bluey, how many drinks have you had so far tonight?

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 16, 2013 - 09:17pm PT
"But I like to freely espouse my opinions while I still can."

That ain't gonna stop until yer six feet under with a blue butt plug stuffed in yer craw.

May 16, 2013 - 09:21pm PT

That thread did great. Moved stead till it got pulled a few hours after it was created.

Imop that thing had some of the funnier content i have seen on SP in a loooong time..

May 16, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
Yes, Obama is to blame about the Boob problem, thanks to blueRing for calling Obama out! and exposing his secret hidden agenda of BOOBS

one more thing to like about our pres.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
May 16, 2013 - 09:31pm PT
As a human being I'm full of many things. Including sh#t.
You used be a nice presence here and I loved reading your trip reports. That bluring ceased to exist quite some time ago.



Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
May 16, 2013 - 09:43pm PT
You used be a nice presence here and I loved reading your trip reports. That bluring ceased to exist quite some time ago.



Then piss off and put me on your cute little 'censored' list. I really don't give a f*#k.

Once I start getting out more, I'll post most TR's. Helping my wife raise our 4-year old has put a damper on my free-wheeling, bail-for-the-weekend lifestyle.

I don't regret it, just sayin', that's why my climbing content is down. And nobody probably wants to see my local trips to CRSP. It's overdone.

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