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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 3, 2013 - 08:53pm PT
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Saying you "don't like political correctness" or "I wear my heart on my sleeve" often comes off as an excuse for being incendiary, I learned a long time ago that even if I was right it wasn't worth burning bridges over or putting out negativity because EVERYONE is right - that's why we have opposing opinions.
I do not do sh#t or say sh#t to "get along", Greg. I do what I feel is right in my heart.
These people were jack-booted by CPS!!!!
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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I do not do sh#t or say sh#t to "get along", Greg. I do what I feel is right in my heart.
Your heart, as an observer on this messageboard, is full of absolute seething hate. Just my $.02. You have many valid points, all get lost in the shuffle. Just like Ken M and a handful of others. Has nothing to do with political offiliation, of which I don't consider you a 'republican' but an independent with both progressive and conservative ideas.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 3, 2013 - 09:09pm PT
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Your heart, as an observer on this messageboard, is full of absolute seething hate. Just my $.02. You have many valid points, all get lost in the shuffle. Just like Ken M and a handful of others. Has nothing to do with political offiliation, of which I don't consider you a 'republican' but an independent with both progressive and conservative ideas.
What people fail to realize on my side of the aisle, is that getting mad is not necessarily bad, or hateful IMO.
I'm just fed up with this bullshit where the State can seize a child! For no demonstrable reason!
If you don't find that troubling, follow the rest of the sheep to the trough. I will not go kindly.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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What people fail to realize on my side of the aisle, is that getting mad is not necessarily bad, or hateful IMO.
Your aisle sucks. Be nice to lila.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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It never really happened it was a hoax are you all f*#king stupid or what?
just like sandy hook, columbine etc. etc.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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For no demonstrable reason!
Obviously... there was a demonstrable reason... Otherwise the baby would not have been seized....
As someone who frequently sees abused infants as part of my professional responsibilities, and as someone who frequently calls CPS for immediate interventions, I can say that infants are not seized for "no reason."
In the interest of avoiding having a dead baby, CPS often responds quickly and decisively for protection, and then sorts out the details after the child is protected.
I am bound by law to report, and CPS is bound by law to act. Following the rule of law, is, by definition, not "unlawful."
Obviously in this case, CPS has very serious concerns about the parents - and you are not getting this information from your news sources. Alternatively, someone at CPS got a wild hair up their ass and acted in spite. Time will sort this one out.
There will always be conflicts between parents and CPS in these cases. Always. The only way to avoid these conflicts is to suspend the U.S. Constitution and make no efforts to protect children from anyone or anything..
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Is blurring really THE dumbest mothafuka on the planet?
This is non-partisan
Right. Any morans can attend, regardless of political affiliation.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Remember this is from the guy who thinks teachers should carry guns, just in case, ya know better safe than sorry
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 8, 2013 - 11:48pm PT
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Obviously... there was a demonstrable reason... Otherwise the baby would not have been seized....
Did you read the story before your pretentious statements? Read it!
A second doctor TOLD CPS AND THE F*#KING POLICE THAT EVERYTHING WAS OKAY! And they were released. Only to be assaulted by CPS and the police again.
They will be rightfully sued for 4th Amendment violations.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Yes, one doctor said that he/she had no worries.
But what did the other doctors say/observe?
What did the other nurses say/observe?
What did the other witnesses say/observe?
What other facts are missing?
If CPS received concerning information, they are bound by law to act decisively.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 8, 2013 - 11:54pm PT
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Did you read the story, Sierra, and the progression of events? Or are you just knee-jerking for CPS?
Read the story and progression of events! It's f*#ked up!!!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 8, 2013 - 11:59pm PT
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I'll help you, Sierra.
Kid goes to hospital for fear of flu. Mom is concerned that nurse does not know why she's injecting kid with 'unknown substance'. Mom says she is leaving to get another opinion.
She unlawfully leaves without checking out properly. CPS and cops called to meet her at 2nd hospital that Mom indicated.
2nd hospital doctor tells cops and CPS that it's all good, the Mom and kid are fine and they can go home.
Cops and CPS crash their house afterwards and seize baby! For 2 days! For no DEMONSTRABLE REASON!!!!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 9, 2013 - 12:06am PT
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I can give rides to anybody wanting to go too. I'm flying solo.
Interesting how much hate I get on this too. Should be a non-partisan issue...
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Did you read the story, Sierra, and the progression of events? Or are you just knee-jerking for CPS?
Yes, I read the entire story and watched the video. I also know that there are always 3 sides to every story: (1) One person's side, (2) the other person's side, and (3) the truth. You are not getting all of the facts.
CPS cannot release a lot of information right now because they are investigating the circumstances. It's likely that all they have now is hearsay and they can't be holding press conferences anouncing that so-and-so alleges that mama and papa did such-and-such to the baby. It's still hearsay.
CPS may have enough hearsay concerning information to act to protect, but not enough supported factual data to hold a press conference.
Put yourself in the position of CPS. They walk a fine line between respecting the consitution rights of the parents and protecting the constitutional rights of children who can't protect themselves. By law, they are required to err on the side of the child.
But you might be right. This may all be the result of an angry or disgruntled CPS worked who deserves to be fired.
BTW - there is no such thing as "unlawfully" leaving a hospital. It's a free country, you can leave a hospital at any time without checking out. Parents can take their children out of a hospital without checking out, and it's all perfectly legal. The issue here has nothing to do with the parents leaving the hospital "illegally." There is no such thing.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 9, 2013 - 12:15am PT
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Put yourself in the position of CPS. They walk a fine line between respecting the consitution rights of the parents and protecting the constitutional rights of children who can't protect themselves.
No matter what CPS does, someone is going to be unhappy.
Well, I have a feeling, after listening to their lawyer on the radio, that CPS is screwed. They acted improperly, with no legal regard, or they would have stated it as they seized the baby.
Sacramento PD will pay as well.
After a physician deems the child/Mom safe, why aren't CPS obliged to get a f*#king warrant? They crossed a legal and Constitutional line!
CPS has too much power, that is clear in this case.
EDIT: But you might be right. This may all be the result of an angry or disgruntled CPS worked who deserves to be fired.
I think that is what happened. But Sac PD followed their unreasonable demands! They are liable too. They should have known better.
The damage here is mucho. The Mom and child were mentally traumatized, but the precedent is dangerous as well!!!
EDIT: protecting the constitutional rights of children who can't protect themselves. By law, they are required to err on the side of the child.
I wonder how you feel about the current Gosnell abortion cases. Did those lie-born babies have rights???
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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She unlawfully leaves...
and you wonder why the Police got involved? fuking genius!
Interesting how much hate I get on this too. Should be a non-partisan issue...
Politics has nothing to do with you being an idiot.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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AWESOME if they acted inappropriately tax dollars can be used to pay some massive settlement to the family.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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After a physician deems the child/Mom safe, why aren't CPS obliged to get a f*#king warrant?
No.
If one physician says the child is fine, but a nurse sees the father brutally beat the infant, does CPS ignore the nurse's information just because a physician said the baby is safe?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 9, 2013 - 12:25am PT
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and you wonder why the Police got involved? fuking genius!
Pisschrist, did you read the whole thing? Or are you just picking and choosing as usual?
Who's the ingenius, he who judges after reading all of the facts of the story, or he who just makes judgements off one line of the story?
Ask yourself that...genius.
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