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Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jun 24, 2013 - 03:06pm PT
Of course, there is no justification for taking a child from their parents

And nobody here has ever said that, Ken.

Except you, in your strawman arguments.



rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jun 24, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
i would say there are PLENTY of good reasons to take children away from their parents


and among them would be a parent whos states publically "there is no reason to ever take a child away from his parents!"




thats a person whos obvious mind f*#king his kids and insuring they will be warped and twisted by the time they reach adulthood

theres lots of programs to help such miserable adults

and they can still see their kids at monitored visitation while their getting their bare minimum decency recertified

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jun 25, 2013 - 11:28am PT
And nobody here has ever said that, Ken.

Except you, in your strawman argument

Strawman?

Didn't you read the article? That was an actual, not a virtual, 8 y/o child
that died.

You still seem totally opposed to the concept: when in doubt, protect the child FIRST, then figure things out.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jun 25, 2013 - 12:01pm PT
Of course, there is no justification for taking a child from their parents

Apparently, they don't teach logic in medical school: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Ken, please point out where I made the claim that "there is no justification for taking a child from their parents."

You are being sensationalist and mis-representing my words. That is the strawman.

It is dishonest.
TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Jun 25, 2013 - 01:10pm PT
CPS case against Nikolayev family dismissed

http://www.news10.net/news/article/248770/2/CPS-case-against-Nikolayev-family-dismissed?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Cbc%7Clarge

"After the hearing, Nikolayev attorney Joe Weinberger announced he intends to file the lawsuit in the coming days. In a release, Weinberger wrote, "no longer shackled by the anonymity and the disclosure prohibitions of the Dependency Court, Anna and Alex will shine the bright light of truth on these illegal activities."
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 3, 2013 - 06:41am PT
MADISON, Wis. -- A mother and father who prayed instead of seeking medical help as their daughter died in front of them were properly convicted of homicide, the Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled Wednesday.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2013/07/03/5542198/court-upholds-parents-convictions.html#storylink=cpy

This ought to give faith healers some pause. If you kill someone through prayer you are going to pay a severe price.

Amen.

DMT
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jul 3, 2013 - 06:57am PT
Hey DMT, do you know what a Mongolian spot is?


Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 3, 2013 - 07:16am PT
Ken, please point out where I made the claim that "there is no justification for taking a child from their parents."

You are being sensationalist and mis-representing my words. That is the strawman.

It is dishonest.

Ah, but you are not representing what you said, YOU stated that NOBODY said....

That is YOUR strawman. You then take my broad statement to mean you, personally. I assure you that I don't.

But when you represent everyone who has posted, then you take ownership of it all, crazy as it may be.

You appear to have gotten lost from the original post. A situation where there is uncertainty about the safety of a child. What do you do?

I say the state has a responsibility to act on behalf of the safety of the child, until clarity is established. What do you advocate?
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jul 3, 2013 - 07:29am PT
Ken, you have no f*#king clue what a "strawman argument" is.

It does not simply mean "something made up" - it has very specific meaning.

And you have apparently mastered it.

A situation where there is uncertainty about the safety of a child.

Do you understand the distinction between reasonable uncertainty and clueless incompetence?

There was NO evidence of abuse in this case.

There was ample evidence that the parents were actively seeking medical care for the child.

"The state," which you apparently trust without question, just did not want to bother.

A simple phone call to the parents could have avoided this nightmare. Instead, some bureaucrat decided to go home for the day and let the cops deal with it.

"So what if some baby gets yanked from his mother's arms and spends a few days in some undisclosed location. We can sort it all out on Monday..."

I say the state has a responsibility to act on behalf of the safety of the child, until clarity is established. What do you advocate?

Hey, it looks like you have mastered the false choice as well!

Keep up those logical fallacies, good doctor!
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