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Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
May 1, 2013 - 07:14pm PT
Just now home from the hospital.

No infection. Had another CT scan to check for both stones and appendicitis...negative on both.

An all day shrug of the shoulders by the staff over there...and me. Gonna lie low for a day or two and see what's up after that....tough to do when the weather is PERFECT!

Thanks for all the input, concern and kind words.

D
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 1, 2013 - 07:17pm PT
Man, don't ya love it when they try to tell you you're imagining something?


All the best!
monolith

climber
SF bay area
May 1, 2013 - 08:06pm PT
Milk is actually a poor source of utilizable calcium, so poor, the industry needs to fortify it with a different form of calcium, which helps a little, but screws up iron absorption. The highest fracture rates are in countries with the highest milk consumption rates. The problem, it's high protein, and high calcium. Human breast milk is about 6 percent protein by calorie, but cows milk is 15-20 percent and 3x calcium. Pasteurization screws things up even more. I've had very little milk in my life, even as a kid(none for the last 20 years), yet have excellent bone density(had a scan). Calcium is in a lot of plant foods and is easily utilized by the body. Yep, no one wants to be preached to, so I'll not say anything further.

Lots of info out there, so search if interested.
portent

climber
May 1, 2013 - 09:27pm PT
Yikes! Sorry Dean! This is the worst!

I was down in Joshua Tree end of March and got "rocked" at the Matt Segal slideshow. I stepped outside to take a leak and next thing I knew I was face down in the dirt. Drove myself to the High Desert Hospital. Don't really remember that part but it happened. Very Fear and Loathing-esque.

They admitted me and it was just the most unimaginable pain ever. I was on the ground, throwing up, punching the floor and screaming.

Fortunately, they gave me morphine.

Unfortunately, It did nothing.

I screamed for another 20 minutes and they finally gave me dilaudid. Good night.

I woke up and they told me it was food poisoning and released me. I drove to the gates and had to pee so bad!!

Next thing I know, face down in the dirt.

Drove back. More dilaudid and then they found it. It sucks and I'm not looking forward to the next.

--Kovar


Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
May 1, 2013 - 09:30pm PT
Does anyone have an explanation for why this mostly seems to be a male problem? Women get gall stones but kidney stones seem kind of rare.
portent

climber
May 1, 2013 - 09:34pm PT
I was told by the doctor that they are more common in women. Don't know though.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
May 1, 2013 - 10:26pm PT
portent...are you insuating that cragman is a girlyman..?
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
May 1, 2013 - 10:34pm PT
RJ, portent knows better than to fluff my skirt.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
May 1, 2013 - 10:44pm PT
Cragchick...Skirt...? Sorry , i didn't know...? Kilt...? My friend was pregnant with stones and when we skied at night he would piss blood...Ouch...
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
May 1, 2013 - 10:46pm PT
Yeah, I've learned that pissing blood is WAY overrated.
T H

Social climber
May 1, 2013 - 10:50pm PT
I'd go the other direction to Reno instead of Mammoth (hospital) if I was you. ; )
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
May 1, 2013 - 10:52pm PT
You aren't the first one to tell me that today, Biotch.
portent

climber
May 1, 2013 - 10:59pm PT
RJ,

I for sure felt like a little bitch crying on the floor of that hospital.

Sh#t sucks.

Hats off to the High Desert Medical Center though. They were all top notch and I appreciate their patience, humor and compassion. I must have been a handful.

edit: I didn't feel mine pass but after kidney to bladder, I can't imagine worse...

--kovar


Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
May 1, 2013 - 11:02pm PT
The pain of those things is surreal.

Flanders watched for 2 hours as I writhed on the floor, unable to speak, head banging against the wall....with my face contorted to something that would have made Stephen King reach for a pen.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
May 1, 2013 - 11:07pm PT
According to the Wikipedia, about 80% of those with kidney stones are men. Men most commonly experience their first episode between 20-30 years of age, while for women the age at first presentation is somewhat later.

Dietary factors that increase the risk of stone formation include low fluid intake and high dietary intake of animal protein, sodium, refined sugars, fructose and high fructose corn syrup, oxalate, grapefruit juice, apple juice, and cola drinks.

......current evidence suggests the consumption of diets low in calcium is associated with a higher overall risk for the development of kidney stones.For most individuals, other risk factors for kidney stones, such as high intakes of dietary oxalates and low fluid intake, would play a greater role than calcium intake.

Some stones are composed of uric acid, common to men with gout. Since gout is sex linked, women don' get it normally. That could in part account for the higher incidence of stones with men.

Sorry guys, I had no idea they were this common.
portent

climber
May 1, 2013 - 11:17pm PT
According to the Wikipedia, about 80% of those with kidney stones are men.

yeah, must have been the dilaudid, had me thinking crazy. I remember my dad having them. My brother's had them too.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
May 1, 2013 - 11:19pm PT
My Dad had 'em.....cola was his culprit. I quit that stuff 10 years ago.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 2, 2013 - 01:10am PT
That does it, I'm not going off the beer. It's gotta be what's kept me pure
lo these many years, right? I wonder if Frenchmen get more stones than Germans?
Michelle Gill

climber
Redding, CA
May 5, 2013 - 12:30am PT
Man, it sounds as though you have been through a terrible experience! I hope the worst of it is over and that you are on the downhill side. Good luck to you.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
May 5, 2013 - 01:26am PT
Sorry for the terrible experience.

The state of the art for stones has changed. For an attack, the best current treatment is not narcotic pain meds, but a drug called Toradol, given by injection (oral doesn't work). For most people, it works miraculously in about 15 min. The effect may be quite long lasting, as well, and a person may feel no more pain until it passes out of the body.

Toradol is related to ibuprofen, but is the only one that is injected. It is not as strong as narcotics, but it's potent anti-inflammatory effects appear to relax the ureter (the tube in which the stone is stuck). It is actually the spasm of the ureter that causes the pain.

For some, narcotics work poorly. For some, one works better than another, and it is unpredictable. However, for all, the narcotics wear off in a few hours, and the problem is not fixed.

The hot new thing the last few years for treatment after the initial pain is relieved, is Medical Expulsive Therapy, which is the use of drugs to assist the body in pushing the stone out.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17681643

It depends upon the size of the stone, but this approach can move the stone in from 30% to 75% of patients.

The most common drug used is generic Flomax, although there are others.

Prevention of recurrent stones is most efficiently done by drinking more water. There are a variety of other things, but water is the most effective.
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