healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 29, 2013 - 10:25pm PT
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I usually get by with the Oxycodone + Soma (Carisoprodol) combo, but Oxycontin or MS Morphine + Phenergan (for nausea) is certainly a step up in bad cases. But if it's that bad I'd just go to the ER and get the Dilaudid. Can't recommend the Soma highly enough given it relaxes the pipes and puts you to sleep, but it may be tough to get someone to script it for kidney stones (but I'd ask regardless).
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Seamstress
Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
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Apr 29, 2013 - 11:30pm PT
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I only gave birth 3 times with no drugs involved. Watched my husband deliver 2 kidney stones. I never saw so much vomiting and writhing in my life - well except for the kidney stone patients transported during my EMT ride-alongs. Hardest part was watching the POOR decision to go light on medications at first under the false assumption that more pain killers would be immediately available in the ER. Then all the looney tunes had car crashes, suicide attempts, and other bad events. All ER people were legitimately busy with dying people, and now my husband wants more drugs. None available for 40 loooong minutes. My advice - this is not time to be a hero. It seems to hurt a lot. Get on top of the pain before it turns you into the protagonist of the exorcist. It was ugly to watch, let along experience it.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 30, 2013 - 12:42am PT
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Witholding pain meds is verrry old and bad medicine.
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Cragman
Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
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Symptoms are returning...S%$#!!!!!!!
Heading back to the hospital now....
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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I'm so sorry! Take the first one with you so they can figure out why you're getting these.
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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quite normal Crag....dang it!
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T Hocking
Trad climber
Redding, Ca
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Oh boy, maybe twins?
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TravisMcGee
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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I sympathize. I had my first last summer. Knocked me down hard. My poor kid thought I was dying; wife too. Thank god I was close to the ER. They found a 12mm stone and didn't even begin to ask me to wait for it to pass. Two options; in through the kidney or in through the junk. Either way I was headed for general anesthesia and I was OKAY with that. Ended up going in and pulverizing it. Worse part was the damn stint they installed. No, check that, it was getting the damn stint OUT. No anesthesia for that the sick bastards.
Good luck, brother.
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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i was told most stones are calcium based, but im allergic to milk and got them anyhow. It was in 1986. Havent had a another occurrence.
But those in the out doors are prone to this wonderful condition im told.
There is seldom just one stone,- usually there are smaller sattelite asteroids floatin round too.
I was wondering about that yesterday when you were heading out climbing. O thought,, "hope he has some pain meds with him just in case!"
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Dave Kos
Social climber
Temecula
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i was told most stones are calcium based, but im allergic to milk and got them anyhow.
You must be getting calcium some other way. I think your bones would be jello otherwise.
Milk makes me fart.
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Alpine Raven
climber
Eugene, Oregon
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I passed one on March 13. A day I won't soon forget. The most pain I've ever endured. My wife had to drive me to the ER as I was curled up in a ball in the passenger seat, feet pushing on the dashboard, trying to find any relief from the constant pain. I went between groaning, moaning to laughing, crying as the pain was soooo intense. I passed a 2mm stone from my right kidney. It was analyzed to be Calcium Oxalate, the most common. So now I'm drinking at least 2-3 liters of water a day and watching my diet, eating items low in oxalate acid: beets, spinach are high. According to the diet sheet I was handed by my urologist, eating calcuim products is good, too much Vitamin C is bad. The CT scan showed at least one more in the right and at least two in the left. So now I have Dilaudid with me at all times as well as Flomax (relaxes the ureter). I'm 58. Did not think I was a Kidney Stone candidate.
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Cragman
Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
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Just now home from the hospital.
No infection. Had another CT scan to check for both stones and appendicitis...negative on both.
An all day shrug of the shoulders by the staff over there...and me. Gonna lie low for a day or two and see what's up after that....tough to do when the weather is PERFECT!
Thanks for all the input, concern and kind words.
D
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Man, don't ya love it when they try to tell you you're imagining something?
All the best!
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Milk is actually a poor source of utilizable calcium, so poor, the industry needs to fortify it with a different form of calcium, which helps a little, but screws up iron absorption. The highest fracture rates are in countries with the highest milk consumption rates. The problem, it's high protein, and high calcium. Human breast milk is about 6 percent protein by calorie, but cows milk is 15-20 percent and 3x calcium. Pasteurization screws things up even more. I've had very little milk in my life, even as a kid(none for the last 20 years), yet have excellent bone density(had a scan). Calcium is in a lot of plant foods and is easily utilized by the body. Yep, no one wants to be preached to, so I'll not say anything further.
Lots of info out there, so search if interested.
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portent
climber
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Yikes! Sorry Dean! This is the worst!
I was down in Joshua Tree end of March and got "rocked" at the Matt Segal slideshow. I stepped outside to take a leak and next thing I knew I was face down in the dirt. Drove myself to the High Desert Hospital. Don't really remember that part but it happened. Very Fear and Loathing-esque.
They admitted me and it was just the most unimaginable pain ever. I was on the ground, throwing up, punching the floor and screaming.
Fortunately, they gave me morphine.
Unfortunately, It did nothing.
I screamed for another 20 minutes and they finally gave me dilaudid. Good night.
I woke up and they told me it was food poisoning and released me. I drove to the gates and had to pee so bad!!
Next thing I know, face down in the dirt.
Drove back. More dilaudid and then they found it. It sucks and I'm not looking forward to the next.
--Kovar
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Does anyone have an explanation for why this mostly seems to be a male problem? Women get gall stones but kidney stones seem kind of rare.
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portent
climber
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I was told by the doctor that they are more common in women. Don't know though.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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portent...are you insuating that cragman is a girlyman..?
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Cragman
Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
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RJ, portent knows better than to fluff my skirt.
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