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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 26, 2013 - 07:34pm PT
GAWD YES! I was on my side on the floor wishing for a quick death..BITD before ultra sound- i had back to back surgeries to remove the matterhorns that were dwelling in my innards!

I passed three TINY grains that felt as if i were pizzing a barrel cactus !


GET AND USE GOOD STRONG DRUGS!!!!!
eKat

Mountain climber
Less than a second shy of 49 minutes
Apr 26, 2013 - 07:35pm PT
HOLYMOTHERFATHER!!!!!!!

:-)
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Apr 26, 2013 - 07:37pm PT
You might want to be tested for gout as that is one of the reasons for early kidney stones. Diet is important if you are susceptible to them but first they have to figure out what kind it is.
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Apr 26, 2013 - 07:39pm PT
Have fun with that,
Never had a kidney stone but had a gall stone the size of a golf ball that the Dr. yanked outta me.
Hope the stone isn't too painful to pass, hang tuff!
Tad
sharperblue

Mountain climber
San Francisco, California
Apr 26, 2013 - 07:44pm PT
Oh yeah! Love 'em! had my first when i was 19; last one was seven years ago. Lots of water of course, and run/jog just a bit each day; it will quite literally shake them loose when they're very small and passable. Enjoy!
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Apr 26, 2013 - 07:49pm PT
"HOLYMOTHERFATHER!!!!!!!"


Total eKat-ism...

:D


Doc said the consensus 3 worst pains are....childbirth, heart attack and kidney stones.....

EDIT: CT scan showed a stone about 6mm in size....feels like a friggin summit erratic!!!!!!


"GET AND USE GOOD STRONG DRUGS!!!!! "

Fentanyl with a Percocet chaser.....whenever I want it! :D
So THIS is how Locker feels all the time!
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Apr 26, 2013 - 08:11pm PT
Feel for ya. Had my first one a few months ago, and I am pretty sure you're a bit older then I am.

Like you, I started getting some warning a few days beforehand, but I had an idea what was about to happen. What I didn't realize was how intense the pain was going to be. I have a pretty high pain tolerance, deal with it on a daily basis anyways - but that stone had me on the floor curled up in a ball. They had to give me 2 shots in the ER - and not light ones - before I could even straighten out or respond to anything normally. Took 2 more days for the last of it to pass.
I do NOT look forward to going through that again, but once you get one you are very likely to have more. Trying to up my water intake and hope like hell it doesn't come back for a while.
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Apr 26, 2013 - 08:15pm PT
Ouch!
You have my sincere sympathy!
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Apr 26, 2013 - 08:15pm PT
Doc said the consensus 3 worst pains are....childbirth, heart attack and kidney stones.....

Heard about stones and childbirth...didn't know about the heart attack.
So welcome to the crowd, childbirth one anyways!
Heal fast.. Amazing how something so small could wreak such havoc

Susan
Leggs

Sport climber
Is this a trick question?
Apr 26, 2013 - 08:23pm PT
This too shall pass...

YEP... thank goodness. I hope the "process" is a bearable one for you, Cragman... my thoughts are with you.


(When I had my son, all 8lbs 2oz (22inches long) of him, without drugs on an AF Base in Texas, I realized I could handle a tremendous amt of pain. Still afraid of heights, but I survived giving birth to my son.
Granted, my father stated he could hear me all the way down the hall ... but I'd like HIM to try it and see if HE too threatens the life of an OB Tech.)



~peace to you, D.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 26, 2013 - 08:31pm PT
Walked into the emergency room and without a word the doc says, "you're passing a kidney stone." So I ask how he could possibly know that? He says, "we get about a dozen a week through here. They all have the same look you're sporting."

Had four of them so far. Now I have a drug kit at home and in the car stocked with Oxycodene and Soma (Carisoprodol). Probably hard to get scripted for the Soma, but it's a muscle relaxant which greatly eases the passage while the Oxycodene deals with the pain.

Of the four attacks, I've had them come on slow with it taking me awhile to even figure out what was happening and had one happen all at once like being hit with a mac truck and making me pass out within a minute of the very first sign.

And that one was when I was belaying. Fortunately my partner was close to the anchor and I had just enough time to tell him to get to it as I was dropping to my knees in a purple haze at which point I locked-off hard with my hand close to the device and passed out on out on top of it. That worked as my partner was then stuck at the anchor until some other guys came rapping off at the end of their climb and could roll me off the belay and let him down. Could have been worse and now I have to make sure I'm solidly hydrated before climbing.

However it happens, you don't want to be more than a few minutes away from some seriously big-time pain meds for the duration. You basically just don't want to be incoherently conscious and writhing in pain for the whole show.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Apr 26, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
^Whoa...gnarly!

The attack this morning had me pitch onto the floor and nearly black out within 30 seconds of the onset.
DonC

climber
CA
Apr 26, 2013 - 09:14pm PT
I've had one on each side. For me, the pain was in the back/kidney area as it moved from the kidney to the bladder - like a knife in the side, over and over. I feared the final exit from the bladder, but did not have a problem with that. Good luck!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 26, 2013 - 09:18pm PT
My mother had repeated onsets too.. Although all were done with ultra sound.

Ive been good since 1982? Small alcohol intake was suggested. plus lots o water.

My Mom compared the Kidney stones to child birth- said they were fairly equal.


Worst pain i ever experienced.
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Apr 26, 2013 - 10:02pm PT
Yes, I've been there. I have much sympathy.

I dragged the whole family to the hospital at 3 am. OH, the pain.

The only pain that exceeded that was my broken shoulder from this year.
manzanita man

Social climber
somerset, ca.
Apr 26, 2013 - 10:20pm PT
How to Lower Uric Acid
Step 1
Mix tsp. cream of tartar with 8 oz. fresh water and drink to help relieve gout pain. In his book "Alkalinize or Die," Theodore Baroody recommends that this mix be consumed two to three times a day for several days. Cream of tartar is an old folk remedy used to treat the pain of rheumatism and gout. It works by helping the body form an alkaline state in the blood and urine, aiding in neutralizing uric acid.



Gallstones and kidney stones Remedy;

Squeeze 6 lemons into a quart jar, add 1 heaping tablespoon of Epsom salt, and 3 level tablespoons of cream of tartar.

Mix well and finish filling with water. Refrigate it. Take a small juice glass almost full every night upon retiring, until you have taken the whole quart.

You not only won't have any gall or kidney stones, but you can eat what you please.
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Apr 26, 2013 - 10:24pm PT
I haven't had one thanks to all the beer I've been drinking.

Seriously, many doctors say beer helps both, preventing and dissolving kidney stones (at least in Poland).
BJ

climber
Apr 26, 2013 - 10:27pm PT
I don't know whats worse, having a stone or thinking about the lithotripsy. I've had both
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Apr 26, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
I knew a Vegas nephrologist who referred to April - June as "stone season".

Lots of people dehydrate as things get hot.
(He died of a spider bite though!)
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Apr 26, 2013 - 10:35pm PT
I was 34 for the first one of three. Biggest 10mm. All passed.

Can't tell until they analyze the constituents, but mine were due to repeatedly getting dehydrated.

EDIT:

First was at 36.

Second at 53 - 5.0mm calculus ureter, 7.0 mm calculus kidney.

Last:

IMPRESSION:
1. 15 mm nonobstructing stone within the lower pole of the left
kidney

All analyses have found the stones to be calcium oxalate.

If it doesn't pass, there are non-surgical/medical means of "treating" them, which is what I did in the case of the last one. Two doctors tell me it can't possibly have worked, yet the second scan revealed nothing. So either the first scan was in error or ...






eKat

Mountain climber
Less than a second shy of 49 minutes
Apr 26, 2013 - 10:38pm PT
Total eKat-ism...

You had me TOTALLY crackin' up!

But. . . I'm sad you're in pain. . . NOT GOOD!

:-(
Peter Haan

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
Apr 26, 2013 - 11:44pm PT
I have one at 4mm and my urologist warned me to stay hydrated. None of these long waterless days in full sun, for Heaven's sake. We found it on a CT scan. It also turns out I have dual piping out of my kidneys... rare but not unheard of. How fun.

I remember as a kid, my Dad had a bad attack of a kidney stone that started to move. He was rolling and groaning terribly on the family couch. I was all alone with him and about 6 years old. I was terrified. Dean, it was clearly about all the man could take. I do sympathize. Fortunately aside from the pain, the ailment is not completely deadly.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Apr 27, 2013 - 12:14am PT
Dean,

Hoa Mon, so sorry for your pain. Praying.

Dee ee, when did you break your shoulder and how? Wonder if it was the same shoulder you threw out in JTree a millineum ago when we were playing Haki Sak? It got dislocated and you were on the ground and Dan yanked it back in. Jess wondering if the old injury had to do with your latest one.

Cheers and Blessings to you and Family, lynnie

PS, are you doing the Amjen Tour Mother's Day Weekend. Nomads is hosting a booth on Grand Ave. in Escondio. I will be there or at our store two blocks away. ANYONE from the Taco stop by and I'll treat you to something.
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
Apr 27, 2013 - 01:44am PT
going downstairs to get some water


omg
Gene

climber
Apr 27, 2013 - 01:52am PT
I passed one that felt the size of Columbia Boulder. It was about 15 years ago and I was in Dusy Basin. A friend who was up there last year tells me that on a calm night you can still hear the echo of my screaming.....

g
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Apr 27, 2013 - 01:57am PT
I haven't had one thanks to all the beer I've been drinking.

Seriously, many doctors say beer helps both, preventing and dissolving kidney stones (at least in Poland).


This is why I drink copious amounts of beer. It's for medical reasons. Woo-hoo!


6mm, Dean? Holy!!!! heal up, bro. Piss that thing out. Somehow....
Timid TopRope

Social climber
'used to be Paradise, CA
Apr 27, 2013 - 02:05am PT
I keep waiting for Delhi Dog to post here. He's passed enough to fill a chalk bag. Kidney stone king.
BruceAnderson

Social climber
Los Angeles currently St. Antonin, France
Apr 27, 2013 - 02:12am PT
Just had my first one about two months ago. Screaming and writhing in pain for two hours. When I got to the doc's and he jabbed me with some morphine I literally wept.
I have a relative who's a doctor and his advice-

A six pack and a pogo stick!!!!
Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
Apr 27, 2013 - 02:12am PT
Been there too, to many times.
I feel for you, and like healyje i keep a drug kit with me. I'm often times out in the middle of nowhere and need to take care of myself.

The last 4 I've delt with on my own, but shoot I sure as sh#t wish I was could have been in the ER with a morphine drip.

I remember I had just reached the summit of the Grand after climbing the Exum with my brother-in-law and his wife when I felt the pain coming on. At the time I had only 1 or 2 previous episodes so I wasn't too sure if it was a stone or not. Man they were freaked, but I just lay there for awhile until I could move and then told them I'd see them at the bottom and booked outa there at as fast a pace as I've ever done.

I have a little collection now of them.
Feels like a bowling ball with spikes squeezing through your gut when it's happening, and I can time the contractions down to the minute. Usually 10 mins of pain, 5-15 mins of reprieve.
I was so disappointed when I saw the first one, it was so small i could barely see the thing.

Drinking plenty of water is about the best you can do.

Though the tarter remedy sounds like it might be worth trying. Thanks for the info.

Cheers

Edit, hah, hah TT you called that!

1 more month brotha!!

Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Apr 27, 2013 - 10:42am PT
An 'uneventful' night....at least I got some sleep.

You know the tune...

Papa has a kidney stone....
Whenever he tries to pee, there's a groan...
And down on the floor! All he let's out is a moooaann!!!!


hehehe
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Apr 27, 2013 - 11:00am PT
I saw one bigger than a softball.
(the vet took it out of a mule)
eKat

Mountain climber
Less than a second shy of 49 minutes
Apr 27, 2013 - 11:07am PT
Papa has a kidney stone....
Whenever he tries to pee, there's a groan...

VERY GOOD ONE!

It should join the bill in Legg's and my TacoStandReview. . . She's gonna do an interpretive dance based on TFPU and we'll be doing a Village People rendition of TFPU. . . I'm gonna be the Indian, she's gonna be the Cop, TenBee's gonna be the Carpenter and we'll soon be holding auditions for the rest of the cast:

It's always fun to say

TFPU!

It's always fun to say

TFPU!

:-)

HA!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 27, 2013 - 11:24am PT
i have a bunch saved up-,, thought i may make a necklace or ring out of em..
otisdog

Big Wall climber
Sierra Madre & McGee Creek, Ca.
Apr 27, 2013 - 11:39am PT
Don't you mean centimeter?
You'd be able to see a 6 mm stone progressing down your Johnson!
Yeah, they are a lot of fun...my doctor gave me a screen to pee through, with the hopes of catching the stone. He was delighted when we captured what looked like a grain of sand. Calcium...from my habit of eating 500 mg. orange flavored vitamin C's...
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Apr 27, 2013 - 11:58am PT
Back to school for you, otisdog.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Apr 27, 2013 - 12:37pm PT
No advice other than HEAL UP, BRO!
Deekaid

climber
Apr 27, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
Back to school for you, otisdog

No kidding...what gets me is the certainty.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Apr 27, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
"I'm sorry, but until a baby's head has come out of your vajay-jay twice"




Trust me, Sullly.....I've watched that scene...twice...there is NO way I'd compare the two. I remember exactly what I said when I saw my firstborn's head beginning to crown....."There is NO way that is coming out of there!"

My wife did that both times with zero drugs....and the first one was sunny side up.....

You gals are hardcore....
sullly

Trad climber
Apr 27, 2013 - 01:39pm PT
Just giving you crap, Cragman. Hope to see you and Flanders at Facelift.
phylp

Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
Apr 27, 2013 - 02:06pm PT
Hope it's the LAST one you ever have to experience, Cragman. Some people do seem to be more prone to them than others. My husband has only had one in his life, while one of my brothers-in-law has had one every couple of years, it seems.
perswig

climber
Apr 27, 2013 - 03:30pm PT
Was it this little bastard, Dean?



Or did it feel like this?

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Ouch!
Hydrate, dude, hydrate.
Dale
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 27, 2013 - 05:39pm PT
Magnesium & B6 combo supplement is supposed to help as well.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Apr 27, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
Seems like it is breaking up....just getting small pieces passing through...which is FINE by me!!!!

51 years old....first time in my life I've ever been stoned.

:D
Brian

climber
California
Apr 27, 2013 - 05:57pm PT
Ouch. Sorry to hear about that Dean, I've I've heard the pain is intense (from Bruce, upthread, and others). Glad to hear you are on the mend, and glad to hear that beer and physical activity seem to be indicated. I'll do some preventative work this week!

Brian
lubbockclimber

Trad climber
lubbock,tx
Apr 27, 2013 - 09:19pm PT
Last year when I was 23 I ended up in the hospital. It started whith a trip to the e.r.. Then another trip to the e.r. two daysater. Then a third the next day. Spent two more days in the hospital in horrible pain. Narrowly missed surgery. I drink more water now. Funny enough the stones were likely caused by my dropping the water off the top of our first rap of five six miles from the car in 90 degree heat. Little dehydration going on that day.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Apr 28, 2013 - 09:30pm PT
I had cruised through the day yesterday pain free...thinking I had dodged the worst of the bullet..that my plight was over. Oh, how naive....

At 6:50 last night....I felt it....a subtle ache returning to my right twin...aka testicle. I recognized this sign from the previous morning, and instantly took a Percocet, then headed for the toilet. Within two minutes, I knew the game was on....brutally on.

My eight-year old was downstairs, and unable to hear me calling for her....I had left my anti-nausea medication next to the bed, only 20 feet away, but I was already writhing on the floor unable to move. My cell phone was in reach...I called Flanders next door.

When I told Doug I needed some help, he informed me that he had hurt himself skiing Ellery Bowl earlier in the day, and he would gimp his way over..but it would take a bit longer. Twenty minutes later, in the hatefully deep throes of pain, I heard him laboring to get up the stairs. I could barely speak.....but managed to explain what I needed. He got me the meds, and I popped one under my tongue.

I tried to actually find the humor in the scene....two climbers with nearly 90 years of experience between us in the high and wild....dodging calamity and death....both now watching each other melt in pain. I remember him constantly asking me if there was anything he could do for me....he kept turning away from my wildly contorted face as the increasing stabbing waves of pain worked me into a ball on the floor. I gulped Percocet like they were PEZ.

To his credit, Doug stayed there through this bout.....for two friggin hateful hours. He was in considerable pain himself with his aching knee...

By 9:30, my pain had calmed from a raging 10 on the scale...down to a 7....bad in it's own right, but far more tolerable....I managed to get to my feet and go downstairs for an ice pack for Doug's leg. Talk about a scene....he lying there with ice on his leg....me curled in a fetal ball wishing for instant death....

So for three days now, I've been pissing through a filter.....hoping to pass and catch that devil stone that has caused me so much grief....and I'm still waiting....

Perhaps the worst is yet to be over....maybe that thing is still in the low reaches of the ureter....waiting to lay waste to me once again. I was up last night until 0300, dealing with the pain....OR....maybe the thing is hanging out in my bladder, ready for it's journey to the little filter.

I know this.....I'm exhausted and completely over it!

T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Apr 28, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
OUCH,
Hang Tuff Dean!
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Apr 28, 2013 - 09:42pm PT
Check out the microscopic image of the surface texture, looks painful.
kidney stone surface
kidney stone surface
Credit: can't say

Edit: I've had to sit with my dad in the ER 3 different times as he passed stones and can empathize with how painful it must be.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Apr 28, 2013 - 09:45pm PT
After last night, I'm quite certain my stone looks more like this.....

photo not found
Missing photo ID#300885
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Apr 28, 2013 - 09:46pm PT
^^^
Don't think he needs to see that right now,
trundle that b!tch already.
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Apr 28, 2013 - 11:03pm PT
My wife had this problem once. It landed her in the hospital for three days. It was very "unpleasant".

Heal up!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 28, 2013 - 11:09pm PT
Credit: Ron Anderson
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Apr 28, 2013 - 11:55pm PT
As long as you can still pee, that's a good sign. If suddenly you can't, the thing really is big and you really have an emergency.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Apr 29, 2013 - 12:04am PT
Good Grief, Dean, I read your post about you and Flanders and wished the heck I was up there to play a pleasant Nurse Rachet.

What is going on with two of my best friends.......? Dudes, Please get well. God willing I will see you both @ May 20th. Praying for each of yo. Heal up.

I want to climb with you both...the three of us on some nice little route.

Cheers, Peace, Prayers

Lynne
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Apr 29, 2013 - 12:21am PT
Oh man Dean, I thought they ultra sounded them to pulverize them..

You and Doug... "Grumpy Old Men"...for good reason!


Susan
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Apr 29, 2013 - 03:20am PT
hey there say, cragman... oh my, i am late...

prayers that you can avoid all this again, in the future...

good that flanders was able to help...

healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 29, 2013 - 03:45am PT
Yep, emergency med kit's gotta always be close by and once you know an attack has started it has to be on your person for sure. Tough go regardless.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Apr 29, 2013 - 10:03am PT
I gave birth last night at 9 p.m......named him FRODO.

F%$#ing Rock Of the Devil's Origin!!!!!
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Apr 29, 2013 - 10:05am PT
How big was it finally?
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Apr 29, 2013 - 10:06am PT
The CT scan analysis was spot on...about 5 millimeters.

I'll take a pic and post if up here shortly.
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Apr 29, 2013 - 10:07am PT
Congrats Dean!
Hope the labor and delivery went smoothly,
Any pics of the demon child?
Tad
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Apr 29, 2013 - 10:07am PT
Did you put it with other bodily purged relics, like teeth, nail clippings and naval lint?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 29, 2013 - 10:07am PT
Congrats on the birth.. Cigars??
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Apr 29, 2013 - 10:12am PT
Frodo?!

Why not Sauron?!

Damn dude, I'm so sorry to be laughing at your misfortune, but you really cracked me up with the Dean/Flanders tale!

Glad the little Satan Jr. is gone!
pc

climber
Apr 29, 2013 - 10:27am PT
This thread is really making me unhappy ;( Glad you got the sucker out.

Through an unrelated investigation my doc found I have a kidney stone 8mm waiting for its "day". I'm terrified of doing nothing and terrified of taking proactive measures... And trying not to fall on my back or bounce around... Maybe someday when I can find the humor I'll post a TR on how the sucker was found...

Brutal business,
pc
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Apr 29, 2013 - 10:27am PT
I just looked at FRODO under a high power magnifying lens....it looks VERY similar to the photo that Can't Say posted up thread....loaded with sharp, nasty ridges....no wonder they hurt so much!!!!

photo not found
Missing photo ID#300984
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Apr 29, 2013 - 10:55am PT
Aw, Aint he cute!
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Apr 29, 2013 - 11:07am PT
NO!!! Under the lens, one edge of him looks like the spine of a Stegosaurus!!!
otisdog

Big Wall climber
Sierra Madre & McGee Creek, Ca.
Apr 29, 2013 - 11:29am PT
Okay, I flunked the centimeter thing before...but 5 mm equals .19685 of an inch, about 1/5 of an inch. Either that is an awfully large pen or...

Either way, it's amazing how painful those little suckers can be!
troutbreath

climber
Kanada
Apr 29, 2013 - 12:01pm PT
I had a 11 m.m. one that I couldn't pass. So they sent 17 inches of plastic up you know what, to nudge it out of the way so my kidney could drain. After three trips to lithotripsy the broke the back of the beast. Then removed the plastic intruder that was slowly becoming part of my body after seven months. That was 18 years ago and I still occaisonally pass some carnage. I eventually found that when I was in pain and had no pain killers, that getting into a hot as you can handle it bath helped to relieve the pain. Takes about 15 minutes of soaking the back.
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Apr 29, 2013 - 12:07pm PT
DEAN, that thing looks ginormous given how svelte the plumbing through which they pass.
May it have no brothers or sisters.

Soldier on....with Spring Falls flowing unimpeded.

Oweeeee


Susan
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Apr 29, 2013 - 12:14pm PT
Glad your doing better and that all came out ok Cragman. Sounds like it was painful, but you got lots of support from the taco crowd :-)
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Apr 29, 2013 - 01:33pm PT
Flanders was just over here looking at FRODO with the magnifying lens.....made him CRINGE!!!!!

Utilizing the internet, this is the closest thing I could find that resembles what FRODO looks like under the lens....

photo not found
Missing photo ID#300990
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 29, 2013 - 01:37pm PT
I can (ahem) put it on a plaque for you ,, or a small glass globe display with back lighting!


I GLUED mine to a popular route and they now are the crux pinches!;-)
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Apr 29, 2013 - 02:05pm PT
Glad to head you got through that. Painful to even read.

Now that you are feeling better, you should relax and watch the Lord of the Rings movies.

I think Frodo is getting a bad rap.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Apr 29, 2013 - 02:07pm PT
I had a 11 m.m. one [...]

http://www.google.com/search?q=11+mm+in+inches

Wow!
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Apr 29, 2013 - 02:30pm PT
Calcium oxalate stone 15mm in mutiple renal calculi expelled during micturition.


Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Apr 29, 2013 - 02:46pm PT
I can confidently say that, should you find yourself in similar straits....forget the Percoset! Don't let them send you home with ANYTHING less than pure MORPHINE!

If they don't....stay in the hospital!!!!!

At the height of the worst of my attack and pain, I had FOUR Percoset in me....didn't even TOUCH the pain!
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Apr 29, 2013 - 08:29pm PT
Dropped FRODO off at the lab today in hopes of finding out what I am overdoing it on diet-wise...to have produced such a hateful thing.

Hope it's not chocolate!!!!
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Apr 29, 2013 - 10:13pm PT
Credit: Thanks Google


Susan
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 29, 2013 - 10:25pm PT
I usually get by with the Oxycodone + Soma (Carisoprodol) combo, but Oxycontin or MS Morphine + Phenergan (for nausea) is certainly a step up in bad cases. But if it's that bad I'd just go to the ER and get the Dilaudid. Can't recommend the Soma highly enough given it relaxes the pipes and puts you to sleep, but it may be tough to get someone to script it for kidney stones (but I'd ask regardless).
Seamstress

Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
Apr 29, 2013 - 11:30pm PT
I only gave birth 3 times with no drugs involved. Watched my husband deliver 2 kidney stones. I never saw so much vomiting and writhing in my life - well except for the kidney stone patients transported during my EMT ride-alongs. Hardest part was watching the POOR decision to go light on medications at first under the false assumption that more pain killers would be immediately available in the ER. Then all the looney tunes had car crashes, suicide attempts, and other bad events. All ER people were legitimately busy with dying people, and now my husband wants more drugs. None available for 40 loooong minutes. My advice - this is not time to be a hero. It seems to hurt a lot. Get on top of the pain before it turns you into the protagonist of the exorcist. It was ugly to watch, let along experience it.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Apr 30, 2013 - 12:42am PT
Witholding pain meds is verrry old and bad medicine.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
May 1, 2013 - 11:37am PT
Symptoms are returning...S%$#!!!!!!!

Heading back to the hospital now....
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
May 1, 2013 - 11:39am PT
I'm so sorry! Take the first one with you so they can figure out why you're getting these.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 1, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
quite normal Crag....dang it!
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
May 1, 2013 - 12:49pm PT
Oh boy, maybe twins?
TravisMcGee

Trad climber
Boulder, CO
May 1, 2013 - 12:58pm PT
I sympathize. I had my first last summer. Knocked me down hard. My poor kid thought I was dying; wife too. Thank god I was close to the ER. They found a 12mm stone and didn't even begin to ask me to wait for it to pass. Two options; in through the kidney or in through the junk. Either way I was headed for general anesthesia and I was OKAY with that. Ended up going in and pulverizing it. Worse part was the damn stint they installed. No, check that, it was getting the damn stint OUT. No anesthesia for that the sick bastards.

Good luck, brother.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 1, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
i was told most stones are calcium based, but im allergic to milk and got them anyhow. It was in 1986. Havent had a another occurrence.

But those in the out doors are prone to this wonderful condition im told.

There is seldom just one stone,- usually there are smaller sattelite asteroids floatin round too.

I was wondering about that yesterday when you were heading out climbing. O thought,, "hope he has some pain meds with him just in case!"

Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
May 1, 2013 - 05:23pm PT
i was told most stones are calcium based, but im allergic to milk and got them anyhow.


You must be getting calcium some other way. I think your bones would be jello otherwise.

Milk makes me fart.
Captain...or Skully

climber
May 1, 2013 - 05:55pm PT
I sure hope you get better soon, Craggy.
<<<VIBES>>>> ok?
Alpine Raven

climber
Eugene, Oregon
May 1, 2013 - 06:01pm PT
I passed one on March 13. A day I won't soon forget. The most pain I've ever endured. My wife had to drive me to the ER as I was curled up in a ball in the passenger seat, feet pushing on the dashboard, trying to find any relief from the constant pain. I went between groaning, moaning to laughing, crying as the pain was soooo intense. I passed a 2mm stone from my right kidney. It was analyzed to be Calcium Oxalate, the most common. So now I'm drinking at least 2-3 liters of water a day and watching my diet, eating items low in oxalate acid: beets, spinach are high. According to the diet sheet I was handed by my urologist, eating calcuim products is good, too much Vitamin C is bad. The CT scan showed at least one more in the right and at least two in the left. So now I have Dilaudid with me at all times as well as Flomax (relaxes the ureter). I'm 58. Did not think I was a Kidney Stone candidate.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
May 1, 2013 - 07:14pm PT
Just now home from the hospital.

No infection. Had another CT scan to check for both stones and appendicitis...negative on both.

An all day shrug of the shoulders by the staff over there...and me. Gonna lie low for a day or two and see what's up after that....tough to do when the weather is PERFECT!

Thanks for all the input, concern and kind words.

D
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 1, 2013 - 07:17pm PT
Man, don't ya love it when they try to tell you you're imagining something?


All the best!
monolith

climber
SF bay area
May 1, 2013 - 08:06pm PT
Milk is actually a poor source of utilizable calcium, so poor, the industry needs to fortify it with a different form of calcium, which helps a little, but screws up iron absorption. The highest fracture rates are in countries with the highest milk consumption rates. The problem, it's high protein, and high calcium. Human breast milk is about 6 percent protein by calorie, but cows milk is 15-20 percent and 3x calcium. Pasteurization screws things up even more. I've had very little milk in my life, even as a kid(none for the last 20 years), yet have excellent bone density(had a scan). Calcium is in a lot of plant foods and is easily utilized by the body. Yep, no one wants to be preached to, so I'll not say anything further.

Lots of info out there, so search if interested.
portent

climber
May 1, 2013 - 09:27pm PT
Yikes! Sorry Dean! This is the worst!

I was down in Joshua Tree end of March and got "rocked" at the Matt Segal slideshow. I stepped outside to take a leak and next thing I knew I was face down in the dirt. Drove myself to the High Desert Hospital. Don't really remember that part but it happened. Very Fear and Loathing-esque.

They admitted me and it was just the most unimaginable pain ever. I was on the ground, throwing up, punching the floor and screaming.

Fortunately, they gave me morphine.

Unfortunately, It did nothing.

I screamed for another 20 minutes and they finally gave me dilaudid. Good night.

I woke up and they told me it was food poisoning and released me. I drove to the gates and had to pee so bad!!

Next thing I know, face down in the dirt.

Drove back. More dilaudid and then they found it. It sucks and I'm not looking forward to the next.

--Kovar


Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
May 1, 2013 - 09:30pm PT
Does anyone have an explanation for why this mostly seems to be a male problem? Women get gall stones but kidney stones seem kind of rare.
portent

climber
May 1, 2013 - 09:34pm PT
I was told by the doctor that they are more common in women. Don't know though.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
May 1, 2013 - 10:26pm PT
portent...are you insuating that cragman is a girlyman..?
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
May 1, 2013 - 10:34pm PT
RJ, portent knows better than to fluff my skirt.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
May 1, 2013 - 10:44pm PT
Cragchick...Skirt...? Sorry , i didn't know...? Kilt...? My friend was pregnant with stones and when we skied at night he would piss blood...Ouch...
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
May 1, 2013 - 10:46pm PT
Yeah, I've learned that pissing blood is WAY overrated.
T H

Social climber
May 1, 2013 - 10:50pm PT
I'd go the other direction to Reno instead of Mammoth (hospital) if I was you. ; )
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
May 1, 2013 - 10:52pm PT
You aren't the first one to tell me that today, Biotch.
portent

climber
May 1, 2013 - 10:59pm PT
RJ,

I for sure felt like a little bitch crying on the floor of that hospital.

Sh#t sucks.

Hats off to the High Desert Medical Center though. They were all top notch and I appreciate their patience, humor and compassion. I must have been a handful.

edit: I didn't feel mine pass but after kidney to bladder, I can't imagine worse...

--kovar


Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
May 1, 2013 - 11:02pm PT
The pain of those things is surreal.

Flanders watched for 2 hours as I writhed on the floor, unable to speak, head banging against the wall....with my face contorted to something that would have made Stephen King reach for a pen.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
May 1, 2013 - 11:07pm PT
According to the Wikipedia, about 80% of those with kidney stones are men. Men most commonly experience their first episode between 20-30 years of age, while for women the age at first presentation is somewhat later.

Dietary factors that increase the risk of stone formation include low fluid intake and high dietary intake of animal protein, sodium, refined sugars, fructose and high fructose corn syrup, oxalate, grapefruit juice, apple juice, and cola drinks.

......current evidence suggests the consumption of diets low in calcium is associated with a higher overall risk for the development of kidney stones.For most individuals, other risk factors for kidney stones, such as high intakes of dietary oxalates and low fluid intake, would play a greater role than calcium intake.

Some stones are composed of uric acid, common to men with gout. Since gout is sex linked, women don' get it normally. That could in part account for the higher incidence of stones with men.

Sorry guys, I had no idea they were this common.
portent

climber
May 1, 2013 - 11:17pm PT
According to the Wikipedia, about 80% of those with kidney stones are men.

yeah, must have been the dilaudid, had me thinking crazy. I remember my dad having them. My brother's had them too.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
May 1, 2013 - 11:19pm PT
My Dad had 'em.....cola was his culprit. I quit that stuff 10 years ago.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 2, 2013 - 01:10am PT
That does it, I'm not going off the beer. It's gotta be what's kept me pure
lo these many years, right? I wonder if Frenchmen get more stones than Germans?
Michelle Gill

climber
Redding, CA
May 5, 2013 - 12:30am PT
Man, it sounds as though you have been through a terrible experience! I hope the worst of it is over and that you are on the downhill side. Good luck to you.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
May 5, 2013 - 01:26am PT
Sorry for the terrible experience.

The state of the art for stones has changed. For an attack, the best current treatment is not narcotic pain meds, but a drug called Toradol, given by injection (oral doesn't work). For most people, it works miraculously in about 15 min. The effect may be quite long lasting, as well, and a person may feel no more pain until it passes out of the body.

Toradol is related to ibuprofen, but is the only one that is injected. It is not as strong as narcotics, but it's potent anti-inflammatory effects appear to relax the ureter (the tube in which the stone is stuck). It is actually the spasm of the ureter that causes the pain.

For some, narcotics work poorly. For some, one works better than another, and it is unpredictable. However, for all, the narcotics wear off in a few hours, and the problem is not fixed.

The hot new thing the last few years for treatment after the initial pain is relieved, is Medical Expulsive Therapy, which is the use of drugs to assist the body in pushing the stone out.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17681643

It depends upon the size of the stone, but this approach can move the stone in from 30% to 75% of patients.

The most common drug used is generic Flomax, although there are others.

Prevention of recurrent stones is most efficiently done by drinking more water. There are a variety of other things, but water is the most effective.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
May 5, 2013 - 02:29am PT
Dean...All i know is if i were in anything close to the type of pain you are describing .. I'd get me some morphine.. f*#k it .. load me up and wake me up when it's over. Or maybe that Toradol that ken mention plus morphine.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
May 5, 2013 - 04:09am PT
Puking on the hospital floor, sniveling like a newborn babe, including the wailing.

After morphine (God bless poppies!), I apologized to the nurse for all my carrying on.

She said, "Nothing to apologize for. I've had three kids and one kidney stone. I would give birth to the three kids one after the other instead of having another kidney stone."

The level of pain is beyond description to those that have not experienced it. It's like you become pain itself.

The amazing thing about morphine (in my experience) is that it doesn't take the pain away. It's like you still know the pain is there. But in some weird way, it's no longer YOUR pain. It's like you can say, "There is pain," but it's not "attached" to you; like it's no longer troubling you. It's "distant." At least that's what the experience was like for me.

I hope you've gotten passed it by now! (lame pun intended)
Anastasia

climber
Home
May 5, 2013 - 04:55am PT
Yes, and it was a little bitty tiny stone. I thought I was dying, I was curled up in the fetal position for a full 18 hours before it passed. Goes to show that there is a price to pay for habitually not drinking enough water.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
May 5, 2013 - 05:27am PT
KenM, when I initially went to the hospital, I was given Toradol....along with Fentanyl. I was a very happy camper after that.

And I agree that if you are going to do this at home, and not have the benefit of IV drugs in the hospital, forget the Percocet.....accept nothing but morphine.

The nurse in the hospital shared the same thing about babies versus stones....she had 3 kids as well....her one kidney stone was by far worse.

I should get the results back this week, in regards to what food caused my stone. I'm certain it's not a dehydration issue....I drink more water than most fish....always have.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
May 6, 2013 - 12:09am PT
Another thing that occurred to me:

When you give birth to a baby, you've really got something to show for the pain and effort. When you give birth to that little fleck of a pebble, you really have almost nothing to show for it.

The pain to gain ratio is quite whacked!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 6, 2013 - 01:59am PT
Goes to show that there is a price to pay for habitually not drinking enough water.

I rarely drink water, after all, I'm Irish. Beer is the answer.
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