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pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Topic Author's Reply - May 9, 2013 - 01:57am PT
russ wrote

May 8, 2013 - 08:50pm PT

Winkie.... uh.... no .... the Hand was a drooling crayola guy compared to Karl with a K, regardless of his prowess in the crayola realm.

Karl was flat out one of the best artists in an illustration/comic book type style I have ever seen. Really... and I was an art major. The dude could really draw and would make postcard sized art and sell them to sustain his Valley lifestyle. Damn, I wish I'd bought some of those, but of course I had zero money too.... 'tis a pity.

ur talking about Karl conklin right?

russ u said it best about greg allen with his glass's duct tape with pea coat.

i guess this is russ as a climber visionary..
chez

Social climber
chicago ill
May 9, 2013 - 11:13am PT
Karl with a K.
He came to our campfire in the 80s and asked if he could put a big rock in our fire, which we obliged. Then chatted for a bit and then too the rock to his site and buried it, and placed his tent on it.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Topic Author's Reply - May 10, 2013 - 01:00am PT
russ wrote:

May 9, 2013 - 07:54am PT


ur talking about Karl conklin right?

No, another Karl.
duncan

climber
London, UK
May 10, 2013 - 03:42am PT
I do remember Greg and was, like many others, amazed that he picked up a British accent after only a relatively short stint in the British Isles. Seemed like a decent bloke, but only knew him in passing.

I also remember Greg as a decent bloke and have a vague memory of climbing something on the Apron with him (definitely not Something On The Apron). There were a few Brits loitering in Tahoe and Yosemite at that time so perhaps the accent got a head start from us.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Topic Author's Reply - May 10, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
Dr f I wouldn't call Russ the fish a pussy. Although I do wonder..he did this deleting bullshit thing on the stoney thread. He posted a bad ass bachar photo then removed it. Very weird. Maybe he thinks of himself as a celebrity from la..
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Topic Author's Reply - May 10, 2013 - 04:57pm PT
dr F *Getting back to wing man, it wold only seem natural that yo and the Hand being roommates the north shore in the early 80s surrounded by hot hippie chicks, British accents, and hot tub parties as your earlier posts say make one come to this :-)
So give it up Dr F.
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
May 11, 2013 - 11:50am PT
Dr. F, that's cause Charlie was way cooler then you ever dreamed you could be.
FRUMY

Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
May 11, 2013 - 03:53pm PT
What ever happened to Charlie ? I have not seen him in a couple of decades.

Anyone have a picture of Karl with a K ?
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
May 12, 2013 - 07:44am PT
It's what drove me from Tahoe in 1980 Dr. F.
climber bob

Social climber
maine
May 12, 2013 - 09:39am PT
http://www.gregallenpainter.com/ could be him...
FRUMY

Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
May 12, 2013 - 10:38am PT
No that's not him.
Bullwinkle

Boulder climber
May 12, 2013 - 11:06am PT
Sounds like him, as I've said an excellent artist.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Topic Author's Reply - May 12, 2013 - 11:29am PT
was on the phone with banny the other day and asked about the hand. one of banny's first trips to stoney he met the hand!

Dr F looks like were getting closer to having a picture of the greg allen.
Sewellymon

climber
.....in a single wide......
May 12, 2013 - 12:32pm PT
That looks like him...
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Topic Author's Reply - May 12, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
WOW! now that is kool.

glad the climbing community got together on the taco.

we need Loomis to identify for sure cuzz i heard he and loomis were tight.

now we just need the hand to chime in.
Bad Climber

climber
May 12, 2013 - 02:55pm PT
Yeah, Locker, that hand pic? Ooooooogy! Serious ANTI-chick magnet. Yikes. It's amazing the different forms the human body can take. That one is freaky, and I'll have nightmares for the rest of my life.

Thanks for that!

BAd
climber bob

Social climber
maine
May 12, 2013 - 03:23pm PT
BINGO!
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Topic Author's Reply - May 12, 2013 - 05:23pm PT
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/971616/STONEY-POINT

hopefully greg can get online and reconnect with stoney pointers!
dickcilley

Social climber
Wisteria Ln.
May 14, 2013 - 07:11am PT
What the Fish said about Karls art is verbatim what I tell everyone .I canīt understand why anyone would have anything bad to say about Karl.He had a mental disorder.The hand had a physical defect.Some people never growup.
The Fist

Trad climber
reno,nv
May 19, 2013 - 07:53pm PT
This is some seriously funny sh#t, some of it is even true. Pyro: I knew "The Fish," but we didn't hang out together. Lots of duct tape? That's news to me. I'm Rick James, Bitch: As far as a fake accent goes I lived abroad for about six years, two in London and I think four in Sheffield where I lived with John Allen's brother Rob in a semi-detatched house on Chippinghouse Road. We lived next door to John (who was a pioneer of the 5.12 grade on gritstone back when 5.12 meant something,) Steve Bancroft, who was John's partner in crime and a pioneer of hard routes on grit and limestone, and handsome Nick Stokes who was a dead ringer for Max Headroom. I wasn't faking an accent I'm sorry to report. In the same way that a Glaswegian goes from indecipherable to Queen's English after a few years of immersion here in The States (and without the benefit of elocution lessons no less,) I picked up quite a lot of a guttural Yorks accent when I lived there, and it stuck for a time after my return. The only remnant of those days is that on occasion I'll still say "us" when referring to myself in the singular, as in: Can you spare us a bit of chalk?" instead of "Can I bum some chalk?" It just leaks out without any conscience effort to affect it. Believe me, even during my formative years I was perfectly aware that nothing came across worse than faking an accent in an effort to impress. During the coalescing punk rock years of '80-'82 in L.A. I'd run into to guys trying to get laid by doing that when they were talking to girls, and even if done seamlessly if you found out the guy had never stepped foot in the U.K. he immediately donned a crown that spelled "Idiot," in giant letters. After my repatriation around '87-'88 my sister used to give me sh#t delivered in highly nasal Val-speak: "Eh my Gawwwwd! What's up with the fake accent?" "Woot fake eccent?" would be my response. I couldn't hear it, believe it or nut. As far as "Talked sh#t all the time," I'll plead partially guilty. I was given to talking a lot, and thought I knew a lot like many immature people. I wouldn't call it "shit" per se, in that I didn't go around slandering people either behind their back or to their face. It was a bad enough charateristic that Mike Beck and Hans Luppiner and their crew (who I climbed with occasionally,) called me "The Doctor," because I thought I knew a lot of climbing information. It had occasional unforeseen bad consequences. I got hauled up "Poodles are People Too," by the talented Toivo Kodas, brother of bad-ass Vaino Kodas, and he walked up the route like it was nothing-- in EBs and without cams of any kind. I told Hans the route was a walk, and how could I know otherwise? I don't think I even managed all the moves. Hans went up on it and found God. Said I'd nearly killed him. I definitely felt awful about it and learned to be more circumspect when blabbing about routes I couldn't do. I knew Dave katz, who was better known as "The Inflatable Man," possibly in part because he'd been at the weight bench for years, absolutely because of the way he talked himself up. He had quite an ego for a middling 5.10 climber. I didn't hang out with him, never did a pitch together. Dave hung out with "The Tape Brothers," if I recall. They were two guys who came to J-Tree and climbed nothing but cracks with prefabricated duct tape gloves that were reusable. Swellymon: Thank you for the even-handed assessment of my deportment, and yeah growing up with a Congenital Lymphedema certainly did suck when I was young. Kids are a lot of fun and I got into a lot of fights (something I was never particularly good at or enjoyed,) because of it. I was at Alexander Hamilton High School in '78 which had a student body that was about 80% Black, and I remember being surrounded by a knot of fifteen to twenty kids all excitedly shouting "Check out Nigga's hand! Check out Nigga's hand!" and jumping up on each others shoulders to get a glimpse of "Nigga's hand!" It was awful no doubt and led to a lot of insecurity in my makeup and a definite sense of disadvantage along with an "It's me against the world," attitude when I was young. Dr. F: I didn't live on the North Shore of Lake Tahoe in '82, and I hadn't lived in England yet so hadn't had an opportunity to learn how to "fake" an accent. Maybe you're talking about later after in the decade after I returned, but I honestly can't remember anyone giving me sh#t-- at least not to my face. Places I lived on Tahoe's North Shore in '82 were at the late Dick Richardson's parent's home in Squaw Valley, in a tube tent behind Christy Hill Restaurant where I worked, also in Squaw Vally, a few nights at Greg Lilly's house in Alpine Meadows, and lastly with a guy who was a chef at Christy Hill named Kim and his fiancee in Dollar Hill (not certain if that's North or West Shore.) I also lived on the West Shore but that's a moot point here. Kalimon: Yeah, that would have been me. Pyro: Last name: Allen. Never did a pitch with The Fish. Well sh#t, Bob Parrot. Hello. Randisi: Yeah no accent because I hadn't lived abroad yet. I definitely had a grating character to some, I'm sure if I met myself as a youth now I'd find myself fairly obnoxious. You're correct in that my hand was a huge disadvantage in thin cracks. Kevin Thaw hauled me up Butterballs like a sack of dead fish. On the other hand I got locks in inch and a quarter cracks like Horseshoes and Hand Grenades (which I wasn't strong enough to do,) I could cup three-inch fist cracks like that of the "Midget Chimney" on Bridalveil East which I did with Rick Sylvester, and actually managed without falling possibly/probably do to my hand advantage. cant say: That's pretty funny, that is the shape of my hand balled into a fist. Twisted Crank: Do you mean genetically engineered? That's true I was made for the Dihedral because I nailed left-handed, though I'm mostly ambidextrous. I've got to return to the commission I'm working on, but hope I've cleared some of this up. I'll return and continue with this thread, and Pyro the story about Alan tackling Ben Yonan, head of Curry Security and future Federal Prison inmate is true, and one of the epic stories from my youth in The Valley. I'll tell you all the sordid details when I return.
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