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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Apr 11, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
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"First of all he is an eastern-euro and I have no context for understanding the culture in which the child is raised other then that of what western media has fed me through it's propaganda."
I look forward to the day that most Americans can speak from this perspective.
Good post Tami.
Cheers
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Tork
climber
Yosemite
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Apr 11, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
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Yep, good post Tami
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harryhotdog
Social climber
north vancouver, B.C.
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Apr 11, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
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Having met Scott only a handful of times in Squamish many years ago he seemed like a friendly easy to talk to guy who was very motivated. He was always a welcome sight to all his Canadian friends when visiting Squamish.
That's why this is so unusual. This thread in my mind has nothing to do with pediphilia but that's how Coz saw it. Maybe something happened within his family or close friends to make him so sensitive to the subject. I think we can all agree this is one of the worst crimes perpetrated against children so alot of people have very very strong views regarding it.This is understandable.
Making accusations related to this poster was wrong and the fact that he removed his posts although not an apology does show to me that he realized they were inappropriate and he did the right thing,it does not make him a coward.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Apr 11, 2013 - 12:38pm PT
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Great post tami :)
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Apr 11, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
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"First of all he is an eastern-euro and I have no context for understanding the culture in which the child is raised other then that of what western media has fed me through it's propaganda."
I look forward to the day that most Americans can speak from this perspective.
What is the "propaganda" of western media regarding Eastern Europe? Inaccurate or biased from time to time, no doubt, but I don't think "propaganda" means what you and your fans seem to think it means, unless there's some vast media conspiracy going on.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Apr 11, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
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^^
I ment that in general terms not so much specifically towards Eastern Europe.
The idea that Americans world view are shaped so much by the media rather than first hand account. And truth be told we're not the only ones.
Cheers
Edit:
thanks for that first and last line Coz.
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harryhotdog
Social climber
north vancouver, B.C.
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Apr 11, 2013 - 01:25pm PT
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I personally think the hard training needed to perform at this level will cause joint and soft tissue problems right away or later on in life. I feel the same way with hard climbing at an early age.
I have tried to expose my kids to many many sports an activities as opposed to making them the next Tiger Woods and focusing on one sport (of my choice).Strangely enough out of all these activities they seem to really like climbing. I guess it must by hereditary as it's not environment as I'm not even climbing right now.
I can't wait to get them both over to Tami's circus camp as that looks like alot of fun. Can I do it too, Tami? That way I don't have to live vicariously through my children.
This article is from the British journal of sports medicine.Could not copy and paste,sorry.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 11, 2013 - 01:26pm PT
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Its the same as those WEIRD beauty contests where lil three to five year olds are dresses in adult manners, painted up with cosmetics and paraded on stage.
W..E..L..L..... truly trained athletic prowess and Honey Boo Boo are NOT the same.
Not to say that little athletes are perfect or not mistreated, but this kid is in a whole different class than Honey Boo Boo.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Apr 11, 2013 - 01:44pm PT
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he's married to a beautiful woman with two beautiful daughters
You know who else is married with kids? Jerry Sandusky. Jus sayin'.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Apr 11, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
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I just want to make sure people saw that Coz apologized. There is plenty of creepy stuff to talk about regarding the video though.
Apr 11, 2013 - 09:50am PT
I apologize to the climbing community for my horrible behavior towards Simon.
I was trolling in very bad taste, and I made a mistake.
Simon is not a Pedophile, I surely didn't mean for it to get so out of control. I thought the post was weird however, but if the community doesn't OK, I stand corrected.
Again, I blew it, thought it was funny and no I had no problem from my childhood, LOL...
I deleted my post to try and undo, my mistake.
In conclusion, Simon, I'm truly sorry, and a bit ashamed at the moment.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Apr 11, 2013 - 02:01pm PT
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Small children will go along with that intense training until they develop their own volition. For the most part, these kids are not doing this stuff past their teen years - having had it shoved down their throats too early.
Yes.
Keen insight, Tami...
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Apr 11, 2013 - 02:30pm PT
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Excellent posts Tami and Harry. Well done stepping up to the plate Coz.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Apr 11, 2013 - 03:33pm PT
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and Im the Prince of Wales...
Cool. What were you thinking when you dumped Diana for that old hag you're with now?
Curt
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Apr 11, 2013 - 03:54pm PT
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Paging LEB, report to supertopo STAT. Wisdom, insight, and sound moral compass: we're spinning out of control again and require your counsel.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Apr 11, 2013 - 04:35pm PT
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^^^
Look at the size of that boy's head. It's like an orange on a toothpick.
No kidding. His head's like Sputnik. Spherical, but quite pointy in parts.
Oooh, that was offsides, wasn't it? Tonight he'll cry himself to sleep... on his huge pillow!
Heed! Paper! Now! Move that melon of yours and get the paper if you can, hauling that gargantuan cranium about!
(All in jest Moose, quotes are from "So I Married an Axe Murderer"). Little kids are funny, they are growing so fast that sometimes the parts don't match up to the development of the rest of the body. We have a kid on the youth team at the gym who had like size 12 feet at about 11 years old at 5'2"!! He finally grew into them this year at 17, and 6'1".
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Apr 11, 2013 - 05:01pm PT
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I'm not one to toss rocks in glass houses as my boy just changed his facebook homepage photo to be a crotch shot. But it was sometime last year when we were out climbing though, and it will be the first climbing related picture on this thread (hint for others). Here it is, as off balance as he is. I'm above out of the shot. Always a treat to hang with the lad whenever he shows up in town.
Right on with the apology Coz, it would be excruciatingly painful for any normal person to be publicly branded a pedophile, it was the right thing to do. Welcome back.
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protour
Trad climber
Concord, CA
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Apr 11, 2013 - 09:44pm PT
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Coz thanks for apologizing
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Apr 11, 2013 - 10:51pm PT
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Thank you Tami!
This thread has been so derailed with the OT stuff I'll recap my earlier query as we're now back on track.
Maybe others who have relevant experience and insight can elaborate further:
How does a young boy of five years old get so damn strong anyway?
We were thinking he's like Cirque du Soleil material. There is a whole culture of Europeans that grow up doing just amazing stuff like this kid.
Can anybody comment on his muscle development?
My wife was thinking he must be on steroids and that to me seems a little bit much.
Anybody know about child physiology?
Can any little kid get this bricked if they do the right stuff?
Harry Hot Dog, thanks for pulling up something relevant to answer my question.
This is just what I was looking for:
Excerpt from Br. J. Sports Med., Volume 24, No. 4
"The skeletal system is extremely plastic in children and shows pronounced adaptive changes to intensive sports training. Long-term effects on bone of participating in intensive training during the period of low growth and development are still obscure. Low intensity training can stimulate bone length and high intensity training may inhibit it."
This little boy has to be engaging in high intensity training, and lots of it, no?
What are the transferable implications for little kids really getting after it in climbing gyms?
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 11, 2013 - 11:00pm PT
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Scott apologized and I accepted. Done deal.
Now, as for Johansolo... You now want to make a connection between the vid I posted and a 37 year old married woman with children?
Tami thanks for steering this back on track.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Apr 11, 2013 - 11:57pm PT
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This little boy has to be engaging in high intensity training, and lots of it, no?
What are the transferable implications for little kids really getting after it in climbing gyms?
From another recent thread, the implications are that there are going to be more and more climbers that basically blow current standards out of the water. See http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2111201/Kai-Lightner-sends-Southern-Smoke-5-14c-at-age-13
I posted some comments there that seemed to create a little negativity about comparing kid climbers versus adults, but I think we reached rapprochement. When you watch the videos of the young climbers (I did after I made my first posts), what can you say, they're really good!
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