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Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 9, 2013 - 06:52pm PT
Could you do this at five? Check out the action at 1:00... the kid even has the build of a Bachar/Gill!

Credit: Ihateplastic

McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
Apr 9, 2013 - 08:29pm PT
I didn't reach that level till I was 7!
Hoser

climber
vancouver
Apr 9, 2013 - 08:44pm PT
Thats Drago's son
skywalker

climber
Apr 9, 2013 - 08:54pm PT
Ask Blahblah about it...

S...
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Apr 9, 2013 - 10:42pm PT

He's good, but there's only ONE John Gill. . .
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Apr 9, 2013 - 11:10pm PT
As if we didn't suffer enough trying to do the one-arm lever, and now this twerp!
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 9, 2013 - 11:20pm PT
Coz, Coz, Coz. How can you be such an idiot?
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Apr 9, 2013 - 11:26pm PT
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 9, 2013 - 11:32pm PT
Will that be as soon as you get get your sycophantic head out of your mom's baby slot?

Who let's this cretin on here?

Coz! Beastilaity! Really!?

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WBraun

climber
Apr 9, 2013 - 11:38pm PT
Coz

This thread has absolutely nothing to do with Pedophilia nor does Ihateplastic.

Your making a gross mistake and projecting something that is not there at all ....
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 9, 2013 - 11:43pm PT
Oh, I get it. Coz is wasted/drunk and lonely so he has no clue what he is saying.

Poor, poor lad.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Apr 9, 2013 - 11:49pm PT
But are we still hosting meetings?

MisterE

Social climber
Apr 9, 2013 - 11:49pm PT
Just wow.

Talk about projection.

This whole thing does Jogill no justice at all.

Delete!
WBraun

climber
Apr 9, 2013 - 11:53pm PT
No one knows who you are or where you came from you are a fraud or a troll.

The guy is totally legit.

He lived with us in C4 for years.

Your mind is not working correctly.

I personally know Ihateplastic.

he's married to a beautiful woman with two beautiful daughters.

Sheesh coz

You're completely blowin it ....
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 9, 2013 - 11:56pm PT
Thanks Werner. Add to that three grown boys and 1+ grandchildren.
grover

climber
Northern Mexico
Apr 10, 2013 - 12:00am PT
Here we go again.

Agree .... delete!!!!!!!!
WBraun

climber
Apr 10, 2013 - 12:04am PT
Coz

You should meet him and his wonderful family.

They are are 100% awesome.

You're totally wrong .....
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 10, 2013 - 12:26am PT
Holy sh#t coz, how could anyone look at this thread and EVEN THINK pedophile?

No wonder I'm having such a rough childhood... you fuked in da head man.

Yes, delete and start over. THIS THREAD IS RUINED!
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Apr 10, 2013 - 12:33am PT
WTF???
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 10, 2013 - 12:35am PT
I would delete it but I believe people must see ignorance in its pure form.

I'll check in with Dean and get his opinion. As for John, well... we were nothing but laughs on our last trip together through Colorado a couple of weeks before he died.
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Apr 10, 2013 - 12:57am PT
Sh!t man. I posted my grandson's picture just after half naked Locker. Am I going to be in trouble???
Rudder

Trad climber
Costa Mesa, CA
Apr 10, 2013 - 01:58am PT
Coz wrote, "Edit, I have no problems with gays, but pedophiles bother me..."

Wow...
T H

Boulder climber
bouldering
Apr 10, 2013 - 02:29am PT
slayton

Trad climber
Here and There
Apr 10, 2013 - 03:06am PT
Not that it really matters but. .. ..

I don't think that anyone other than coz sees the OP post as a comparison between little boy and man bodies. A comparison between a little boy doing some pretty incredible physical acts and an historical climber who has done some pretty incredible physical acts, sure, but they're not the same.

Calling someone a pedophile is not "banter". But then if you can't see the difference between comparing the bodies of little boys to men's vs. the physical feats displayed in the original video I don't suppose you would see the difference anyway.

tonesfrommars

Trad climber
California
Apr 10, 2013 - 03:48am PT
coz, you are over-reacting.
Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
Apr 10, 2013 - 04:50am PT
This might just be the funniest thread of the week.
Brings a whole new definition to the concept of troll.

Coz you're cracking me up dude...



....unless...unless...


































































































you're serious
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Apr 10, 2013 - 08:43am PT
He says:

The kid is strong and can do things like Gill could.
He even has a build like Bachar and Gill.
Therefore, the person making that observation is a pedophile.

Huh?

What's questionable here is that Bachar and Gill have similar builds.

Gill had a much larger physique!
jogill

climber
Colorado
Apr 10, 2013 - 07:55pm PT
This young man is way, way ahead of me. At the age of 17, when I entered Georgia Tech, I was over 6 feet tall and weighed 150 pounds - very little of it muscle. That's when I started becoming an athlete.

This little fellow looks like Olympic gymnast material! Extremely impressive.


;>)
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Apr 10, 2013 - 09:09pm PT
How does a young boy of five years old get so damn strong anyway?
We were thinking he's like Cirque du Soleil material. There is a whole culture of Europeans that grow up doing just amazing stuff like this kid.

Can anybody comment on his muscle development?
My wife was thinking he must be on steroids and that to me seems a little bit much.

Anybody know about child physiology?
Can any little kid get this bricked if they do the right stuff?
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Apr 10, 2013 - 09:33pm PT
Is he 'Jeremy's Mom' easy?
WBraun

climber
Apr 10, 2013 - 09:40pm PT
I love trolling the guy, he's too easy, wait for it.....

Trolling with a pedophile attack without positive proof is crossing way over the line.

It's up there with murder.

You can do irreparable damage to someone.

It's what covert intelligence ops do if they want to get rid of someone who might reveal secrets that blow their nefarious ops.

They'll use the pedophile attack instead of killing. it's effect is the same.

You can kill someone without actually killing them.

So it's an absolute no no to do this especially without absolute proof and what to speak of trolling or making a joke about it ......
protour

Trad climber
Concord, CA
Apr 10, 2013 - 09:49pm PT
^^ this guy is an idiot

protour

Trad climber
Concord, CA
Apr 10, 2013 - 10:03pm PT
Coz calling someone a pedophile is a serious accusation and doing so without evidence is worrisome. You must feel brave sitting behind that keyboard

You may find the comparison with John Gill odd but attacking him on a public forum isn't the right thing to do
protour

Trad climber
Concord, CA
Apr 10, 2013 - 10:11pm PT
no

wtf?
Levy

Big Wall climber
So Cal
Apr 10, 2013 - 10:15pm PT
Coz, you need to stop acting like a complete d#@&%e-bag on this site. You come off like a bitter has-been. Why are you projecting all this junk on Simon when he says nothing like you are insinuating.

Coz - Were you molested as a kid and are just seeing the world thru tinted lenses?

As for the statement that you don't drink or smoke, WTF?? Really? Are you gonna try & sell folks here that load of crap? I know different & so do many others here.

You should apologize to Simon & stop being such an idiot.
Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
Apr 10, 2013 - 10:51pm PT
I'd say an apology is in order.

I was throwing you a line to haul yourself out Coz with this:

"This might just be the funniest thread of the week.
Brings a whole new definition to the concept of troll.

Coz you're cracking me up dude..."

No shame in manning up. Mistakes are made by all of us.

I'll start...I really should have stayed out of it and not posted.
There is really nothing I find funny about any of this and I'm sorry I posted.

Personally, I think the little dude is quite amazing. Just goes to show that some folks just start out with the deck a little more stacked in their favor. Now what they do with it over time is what really counts.

cheers


T H

Boulder climber
bouldering
Apr 10, 2013 - 11:00pm PT
I was trolling and kidding
I don't believe that. More likely you realized all the dumb stuff you said, and the trolling/ kidding excuse is the only thing left to try and bluff your way out of it.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
Apr 10, 2013 - 11:25pm PT
Here's a different take on the matter;

http://www.parentdish.com/2009/10/29/gymnast-a-worldwide-sensation-but-at-what-price/

Apparently IHatePlastic did not have to dig too deep to find this - it looks pretty well accepted for viewing. I personally don't think parents should push their children like this, but this is not Romania, so I doubt I have a clue about what's right in that respect.

Fogarty

climber
BITD
Apr 10, 2013 - 11:33pm PT
Ok , Simmon, Bill, Coz, I justs showed this Vidio to my wife and 15 year old son, the only comment was from my wife a cheer mom was wow great double back hand springs. I think it all starts from the parents, to much excessive compulsive disorder and the parents wanting to be what they never were in there youth and wanting the kids to become whatever they never were and never will be?
Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
Apr 10, 2013 - 11:34pm PT
"EDIT, apologize to what Delhi Dog? Defending young boys from Pedophiles?"

Is that what you were doing?

I thought you just screwed up like we all do at times.

cheers
Johannsolo

climber
Soul Cal
Apr 10, 2013 - 11:59pm PT
Check out the OP's photos and avatar pic.
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Apr 11, 2013 - 12:01am PT
You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger.

 Buddha
harryhotdog

Social climber
north vancouver, B.C.
Apr 11, 2013 - 12:57am PT
Never knew you to have a girlfriend just saying...


Bill has never been seen with a women in the 30 years I've known the guy, and now he wants me to apologize to Simon.

I think that is down right mean and disrespectful.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Apr 11, 2013 - 01:10am PT
So it's an absolute no no to do this especially without absolute proof and what to speak of trolling or making a joke about it ......

Claiming that an idiotic, previously made statement was trolling all-along is always an interesting strategy. Interesting, in that sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

Curt
weezy

climber
Apr 11, 2013 - 03:50am PT
mcreel

climber
Barcelona
Apr 11, 2013 - 04:13am PT
Apart from all this OT drama, do people believe that the video is real? Seems a little suspicious to me. I'm wondering if there might be a fishing line used to pull the kid up, which is not visible in the low res video.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Apr 11, 2013 - 04:28am PT
you know the people who complain about stuff like this are the ones that turn out to be, uhh, jus sayin...

they turn out to be rap bolters, yes, thats it,

Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Apr 11, 2013 - 04:31am PT
The kid seems like the real deal to me.




+1 Harry
Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
Apr 11, 2013 - 06:10am PT
"Can anybody comment on his muscle development?
My wife was thinking he must be on steroids and that to me seems a little bit much.

Anybody know about child physiology?
Can any little kid get this bricked if they do the right stuff? "

I'm no expert but I work with a lot of youngsters as a elementary PE teacher and I got to say in response a kid with that kind of build is pretty unusual. The article (link posted earlier) mentions his dad being like that as a kid and coaching the little dude now, so maybe it's a combination of genes and the workout. But for a youngster to be developing that much that early...well stranger things are out there I guess.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-513820/Mini-muscleman-Meet-worlds-smallest-bodybuilder.html

mcreel

climber
Barcelona
Apr 11, 2013 - 06:14am PT
That kid is a beast, plus coordinated. Tommy Caldwell should hire him to walk the hard traverse on the Dawn Wall project for him, and kill the project off.
MisterE

Social climber
Apr 11, 2013 - 08:33am PT
Oh, gee. Big surprise.

Look whose posts all went away in the last hour.
WTF

climber
Apr 11, 2013 - 09:14am PT
WTF

Calling people pedophiles who,are not on public forums is slander.

Coz your a f*#king elcap power driller and while you may have climbed some things in your time and taught some people to climb and work as some stunt man or whatever glorified rigger gig you hav, bottom line is you yes you are a f*#king DOUCHE.

Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Apr 11, 2013 - 09:29am PT
And a coward for erasing all your posts and not apologizing.
Lloyd Campbell

Social climber
St. Cloud, MN
Apr 11, 2013 - 09:34am PT
Claiming that an idiotic, previously made statement was trolling all-along is always an interesting strategy. Interesting, in that sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

But it IS something Coz has engaged in repeatedly, after he found out the wind wasn't blowing his direction. If this forum is any indication of the real spirit of the man, he's mean, stupid and a bit of an arrogant f*cktard.
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Apr 11, 2013 - 09:57am PT
Does this mean my Cosgrove radio interview/goof off appreciation thread isn't going to get many hits when I resurrect it? Ha!

Someone suggested Cosgrove might be projecting issues from his childhood, sure looks like it, but I ain't no shrink.
Jeepers, what a dustup.

Delhi Dog thanks for responding on topic with this answer to my query concerning the child's unusual build:
I'm no expert but I work with a lot of youngsters as a elementary PE teacher and I got to say in response a kid with that kind of build is pretty unusual. The article (link posted earlier) mentions his dad being like that as a kid and coaching the little dude now, so maybe it's a combination of genes and the workout. But for a youngster to be developing that much that early...well stranger things are out there I guess.
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Apr 11, 2013 - 10:12am PT
Kid reminds me of that kid Richard Sandrak "Little Hercules" that the parents had doing hard-core weight lifting at that age. I seem to recall a lot of the same speculation about the parents dosing him. As a now young-adult he denies such claims and said it was just a lot of really hard training and strict diet but who's to say?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Sandrak
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 11, 2013 - 10:14am PT
And a coward for erasing all your posts and not apologizing.

Amen.

Don't go away mad, Coz. Just go away...
Tork

climber
Yosemite
Apr 11, 2013 - 10:16am PT
Coz always goes big. Not to make his ego any bigger but the guy is a bad ass.

Not sure if he thinks things through before he acts... I guess he is human after all.


It would suck to be called a pedophile. It sucks more when pedophiles get away.

This post alone would never make me think pedophile, but maybe other posts made Coz see a red flag?

Coz is probably making a big mistake but he is trying to do the right thing. What is the right thing to do?
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 11, 2013 - 10:19am PT
What is the right thing to do?

Call the feds!!

I'll go to the fed's
(quote from one of the many deleted posts)
Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
Apr 11, 2013 - 11:15am PT
Well that may be all fine and dandy, butt what about my mini-muscle man?
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Apr 11, 2013 - 11:20am PT
butt

Heh.
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Apr 11, 2013 - 11:20am PT
Well that may be all fine and dandy, butt what about my mini-muscle man?


Is that jargon?

;)
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Apr 11, 2013 - 11:33am PT
Too bad Coz. You have a lot of interesting sh#t to say on lots of topics. Why do you have to ruin your rep like that?
WBraun

climber
Apr 11, 2013 - 11:35am PT
That's fuking lame deleting all your posts trying to frame someone with pedophilia.

This should never have happened period.

Pedophilia is an extremely serious accusation.

Coz you need to apologize for such abhorrent behavior .....
Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
Apr 11, 2013 - 11:40am PT
How do you defuse a bomb after its already gone off?
I really don't know.

Oh we'll...

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=s9xKU8eYCFk&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Ds9xKU8eYCFk
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Apr 11, 2013 - 11:42am PT
Way to tell him Werner!

And Bailiff: whack his PP!!!
(That's from Cheech and Chong's record if any of you remember)
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Apr 11, 2013 - 11:49am PT
It's a shame really.

Scott Cosgrove's name will eternally be linked to this whenever people do a search for his name (should anyone ever have reason to).
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Apr 11, 2013 - 11:52am PT
I object to the title. There is and will remain only one John Gill, and he posted upthread already. LOL. I will admit that the lil kids are kicking ass in the climbing world (lots of them too), and this would have been a great thread to explore that had Coz not sh#t on the thread.

Regarding Coz: Levy and Werner have said it well already, but the question remains, why do you always have to step up and piss in the punchbowl right in front of a room full of folks who want to drink out of it Coz? Furthermore, it's a total weak-assed lame poser dick-weed move to talk sh#t publically and then delete all your posts when called on it. Don't think you can't be sued for defamation AND SLANDER just cause your terrible and mean spirited lying bullshit words are not visible, theres a copy available that any attorney can dredge up. An apology is in order.

Regards to all: you too Coz, but you can do better dude.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Apr 11, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
Wha? I missed all the fun again.


Cheech and Chong!?!

Freekin' Tarbuster....

Tami

Social climber
Canada
Apr 11, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
IF it's remotely possible to get this thread back on track - and I doubt it - there are a couple of things that concern me about this little mini-muscle.

First of all he is an eastern-euro and I have no context for understanding the culture in which the child is raised other then that of what western media has fed me through it's propaganda.

It seems to me a sad thing that eastern-euro parents have bought into western trash culture. I really disliked the way the little guy did his wink and pretend 'lick' to the camera in this clip. It says to me the person behind the camera is either someone who either is willing to exploit their child OR someone so naive as to understand those gestures & the meaning of a young child doing them.

Someone upthread mentioned circus and Cirque du Soleil specifically. I've witnessed eastern euro circus families train their kids hard at a very young age. Incidentally, I saw it happen backstage at a Cirque show ( we were there for a visit & happened to see a family during training - they were doing some pretty advanced stuff to their 3 y/o daughter ).

My final word on this kind of early entry is that it also means early departure. Small children will go along with that intense training until they develop their own volition. For the most part, these kids are not doing this stuff past their teen years - having had it shoved down their throats too early.

Bottom line ? Elite athleticism is a passion driven by the heart. It is a lifetime effort.........like John Gill has demonstrated already.

We'll only know if this little chap is The Next John Gill when he makes his mark and, if that endures...........like Gill has.

Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
Apr 11, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
"First of all he is an eastern-euro and I have no context for understanding the culture in which the child is raised other then that of what western media has fed me through it's propaganda."

I look forward to the day that most Americans can speak from this perspective.

Good post Tami.

Cheers
Tork

climber
Yosemite
Apr 11, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
Yep, good post Tami
harryhotdog

Social climber
north vancouver, B.C.
Apr 11, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
Having met Scott only a handful of times in Squamish many years ago he seemed like a friendly easy to talk to guy who was very motivated. He was always a welcome sight to all his Canadian friends when visiting Squamish.

That's why this is so unusual. This thread in my mind has nothing to do with pediphilia but that's how Coz saw it. Maybe something happened within his family or close friends to make him so sensitive to the subject. I think we can all agree this is one of the worst crimes perpetrated against children so alot of people have very very strong views regarding it.This is understandable.
Making accusations related to this poster was wrong and the fact that he removed his posts although not an apology does show to me that he realized they were inappropriate and he did the right thing,it does not make him a coward.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Apr 11, 2013 - 12:38pm PT
Great post tami :)
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Apr 11, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
"First of all he is an eastern-euro and I have no context for understanding the culture in which the child is raised other then that of what western media has fed me through it's propaganda."

I look forward to the day that most Americans can speak from this perspective.

What is the "propaganda" of western media regarding Eastern Europe? Inaccurate or biased from time to time, no doubt, but I don't think "propaganda" means what you and your fans seem to think it means, unless there's some vast media conspiracy going on.
Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
Apr 11, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
^^
I ment that in general terms not so much specifically towards Eastern Europe.
The idea that Americans world view are shaped so much by the media rather than first hand account. And truth be told we're not the only ones.

Cheers

Edit:
thanks for that first and last line Coz.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 11, 2013 - 01:17pm PT
Just got caught up here- I agree with Tami, that the vid was strange and to me, smacks of exploitation. Its the same as those WEIRD beauty contests where lil three to five year olds are dressed in adult manners, painted up with cosmetics and paraded on stage. Not pedophilia but weird none the less. Kids should be kids i guess.
harryhotdog

Social climber
north vancouver, B.C.
Apr 11, 2013 - 01:25pm PT
I personally think the hard training needed to perform at this level will cause joint and soft tissue problems right away or later on in life. I feel the same way with hard climbing at an early age.

I have tried to expose my kids to many many sports an activities as opposed to making them the next Tiger Woods and focusing on one sport (of my choice).Strangely enough out of all these activities they seem to really like climbing. I guess it must by hereditary as it's not environment as I'm not even climbing right now.

I can't wait to get them both over to Tami's circus camp as that looks like alot of fun. Can I do it too, Tami? That way I don't have to live vicariously through my children.

This article is from the British journal of sports medicine.Could not copy and paste,sorry.
Credit: harryhotdog
Credit: harryhotdog
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Apr 11, 2013 - 01:26pm PT
Its the same as those WEIRD beauty contests where lil three to five year olds are dresses in adult manners, painted up with cosmetics and paraded on stage.

W..E..L..L..... truly trained athletic prowess and Honey Boo Boo are NOT the same.

Not to say that little athletes are perfect or not mistreated, but this kid is in a whole different class than Honey Boo Boo.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 11, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
Towards the end of the vid,, they show may stills of him "dressed" to the nines which did remind me of honey booboo..
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Apr 11, 2013 - 01:44pm PT
he's married to a beautiful woman with two beautiful daughters

You know who else is married with kids? Jerry Sandusky. Jus sayin'.

locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Apr 11, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
Coz...

LMAO!!!...

GUD fuking lord...




EDITED:

"You know who else is married with kids? Jerry Sandusky. Jus sayin'"...


So was that molesting MoFo that lived behind us when I was a kid...

Being married with children means SQUAT in that department...

Tami

Social climber
Canada
Apr 11, 2013 - 01:59pm PT
Keep it about the video, guys. Back on track everyone - or get back to work ( I know i should ) :-)

This stuff is close to my heart given my job :-D ( teaching circus acro )

I agree with you harry about the implications this type of training has upon the young body. It's why I've gone over to a model of training that is based upon the yogic principals of breath awareness and alignment/foundations/core engagement instead of battering the kids to learn big skills.

I believe in training for life... not just to get a few party tricks.

As for media propaganda - well, that's a 10,000 post thread - so I'll simply let the comment stand that I have no context for understanding why these parents might train their son - or allow him to be trained in this manner.

Because all I know of the eastern european training process is what I've seen on the telly & you toob. I was only to Czech Republic once and that was to see an animation studio. Other then that? I can only go on the media..........and that's not always correct.

Cheers!
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
Apr 11, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
I just want to make sure people saw that Coz apologized. There is plenty of creepy stuff to talk about regarding the video though.



Apr 11, 2013 - 09:50am PT
I apologize to the climbing community for my horrible behavior towards Simon.

I was trolling in very bad taste, and I made a mistake.

Simon is not a Pedophile, I surely didn't mean for it to get so out of control. I thought the post was weird however, but if the community doesn't OK, I stand corrected.

Again, I blew it, thought it was funny and no I had no problem from my childhood, LOL...

I deleted my post to try and undo, my mistake.

In conclusion, Simon, I'm truly sorry, and a bit ashamed at the moment.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Apr 11, 2013 - 02:01pm PT
Small children will go along with that intense training until they develop their own volition. For the most part, these kids are not doing this stuff past their teen years - having had it shoved down their throats too early.


Yes.

Keen insight, Tami...
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Apr 11, 2013 - 02:30pm PT
Excellent posts Tami and Harry. Well done stepping up to the plate Coz.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 11, 2013 - 02:45pm PT
Youve more than apologized Coz. I watched the vid- and got a honey boo boo feeling myself. Weve ALL had poor deliveries, everyone here anyhoo..
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 11, 2013 - 02:50pm PT
and Im the Prince of Wales...
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Apr 11, 2013 - 03:33pm PT
and Im the Prince of Wales...

Cool. What were you thinking when you dumped Diana for that old hag you're with now?

Curt
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 11, 2013 - 03:37pm PT
DOH! GUD one!
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Apr 11, 2013 - 03:54pm PT
Paging LEB, report to supertopo STAT. Wisdom, insight, and sound moral compass: we're spinning out of control again and require your counsel.
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Apr 11, 2013 - 04:04pm PT
Here is my grandson (IHP stay away from him, lol). He is half and half American and Polish. No training, just regular kid's stuff plus some encuragement from my son. He can climb pretty much anything at home. He is three on this picture, four now.

Time to take him climbing?

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Missing photo ID#298118
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Apr 11, 2013 - 04:35pm PT
^^^

Look at the size of that boy's head. It's like an orange on a toothpick.

No kidding. His head's like Sputnik. Spherical, but quite pointy in parts.

Oooh, that was offsides, wasn't it? Tonight he'll cry himself to sleep... on his huge pillow!

Heed! Paper! Now! Move that melon of yours and get the paper if you can, hauling that gargantuan cranium about!


(All in jest Moose, quotes are from "So I Married an Axe Murderer"). Little kids are funny, they are growing so fast that sometimes the parts don't match up to the development of the rest of the body. We have a kid on the youth team at the gym who had like size 12 feet at about 11 years old at 5'2"!! He finally grew into them this year at 17, and 6'1".
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Apr 11, 2013 - 04:42pm PT


"No kidding. His head's like Sputnik"...

LMfukingAO!!!...

moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Apr 11, 2013 - 04:44pm PT
lol Elcap.

He has a big brain in that melon too :)

Edit: No relation to Tony.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Apr 11, 2013 - 04:48pm PT


"Here today, GAUNT tomorrow!!!"...

~~~ Idiot, 2013
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Apr 11, 2013 - 04:58pm PT
I am lost (not the first time).

Idiot 2013?

couchmaster

climber
pdx
Apr 11, 2013 - 05:01pm PT
I'm not one to toss rocks in glass houses as my boy just changed his facebook homepage photo to be a crotch shot. But it was sometime last year when we were out climbing though, and it will be the first climbing related picture on this thread (hint for others). Here it is, as off balance as he is. I'm above out of the shot. Always a treat to hang with the lad whenever he shows up in town.



Right on with the apology Coz, it would be excruciatingly painful for any normal person to be publicly branded a pedophile, it was the right thing to do. Welcome back.
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Apr 11, 2013 - 05:08pm PT
Couch, all I see is a crotch shot.

Crotchophile!
protour

Trad climber
Concord, CA
Apr 11, 2013 - 09:44pm PT
Coz thanks for apologizing
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Apr 11, 2013 - 10:51pm PT
Thank you Tami!

This thread has been so derailed with the OT stuff I'll recap my earlier query as we're now back on track.
Maybe others who have relevant experience and insight can elaborate further:
How does a young boy of five years old get so damn strong anyway?
We were thinking he's like Cirque du Soleil material. There is a whole culture of Europeans that grow up doing just amazing stuff like this kid.

Can anybody comment on his muscle development?
My wife was thinking he must be on steroids and that to me seems a little bit much.

Anybody know about child physiology?
Can any little kid get this bricked if they do the right stuff?

Harry Hot Dog, thanks for pulling up something relevant to answer my question.
This is just what I was looking for:
Excerpt from Br. J. Sports Med., Volume 24, No. 4

"The skeletal system is extremely plastic in children and shows pronounced adaptive changes to intensive sports training. Long-term effects on bone of participating in intensive training during the period of low growth and development are still obscure. Low intensity training can stimulate bone length and high intensity training may inhibit it."

This little boy has to be engaging in high intensity training, and lots of it, no?
What are the transferable implications for little kids really getting after it in climbing gyms?
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 11, 2013 - 11:00pm PT
Scott apologized and I accepted. Done deal.

Now, as for Johansolo... You now want to make a connection between the vid I posted and a 37 year old married woman with children?

Tami thanks for steering this back on track.

blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Apr 11, 2013 - 11:57pm PT
This little boy has to be engaging in high intensity training, and lots of it, no?
What are the transferable implications for little kids really getting after it in climbing gyms?

From another recent thread, the implications are that there are going to be more and more climbers that basically blow current standards out of the water. See http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2111201/Kai-Lightner-sends-Southern-Smoke-5-14c-at-age-13

I posted some comments there that seemed to create a little negativity about comparing kid climbers versus adults, but I think we reached rapprochement. When you watch the videos of the young climbers (I did after I made my first posts), what can you say, they're really good!
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Apr 12, 2013 - 12:03am PT
the implications are that there are going to be more and more climbers that basically blow current standards out of the water

Very funny! No doubt. I wasn't employing some disingenuous bitter trad guy attitude about the gyms; I was speaking to the age and the intensity.

And this still leaves my earlier questions about his outstanding muscle development at such a young age.
I didn't recast my post just to set up what perhaps appears as a punchline question.
T H

Boulder climber
bouldering
Apr 12, 2013 - 12:09am PT
coz doth protest too much, methinks.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Apr 12, 2013 - 12:11am PT
Very funny! No doubt. I wasn't employing some disingenuous bitter trad guy attitude about the gyms; I was speaking to the intensity.

Understood, I unwittingly played the role of the bitter trad guy in the other thread I suppose. I guess the intensity will be worked out by the kid climbers, parents, and coaches (I'm none of the above)--hopefully it will turn out that just standard climbing doesn't cause ill effects, and that would be my guess based on the accomplishments we've seen so far. But time will tell.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Apr 12, 2013 - 12:13am PT
Maybe I'm wrong but I say the grades are more or less maxed out. Sure there will be a push of a letter grade or a plus or minus here and there but I reckon it's pretty much done. The human body can only do so much-- look at pro pitchers, a group of people highly motivated and highly paid to throw a ball fast. No one really questions the fact that it's pretty much impossible for a human to throw a baseball more than around a hundred miles an hour. Climbing must have similar limitations, regardless of age and weight.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Apr 12, 2013 - 12:20am PT
^ ^ ^
Yeah that was part of the debate in the other thread, and of course is a subject that's been bandied about for years.
I used to pretty much agree with you, now I'm sort of "keep an open mind" and we'll see what happens. Introducing highly trained kid climbers may change the equation--I think it's possible that young teens who grew up climbing may be capable of doing climbs that no adults can.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
Apr 12, 2013 - 12:22am PT
This little boy has to be engaging in high intensity training, and lots of it, no?

I posted a link earlier that said the kid trains 3 hours a day, 5 days a week. I mean, his dad has him training 3 hours a day, 5 days a week:

http://www.parentdish.com/2009/10/29/gymnast-a-worldwide-sensation-but-at-what-price/
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Apr 12, 2013 - 12:26am PT
It's great to be young and awesome at gymnastic/climbing activities.

These little people are still growing physically, emotionally and intellectually. My gut says it's not a good idea to use up all that green stick bone and cartilage early. It was meant to last until old age decrepitude.

Scott has apologized for what should be apologized for. There's still an elephant in the room though and back lever push ups at sub kindergarten age should ring some LOUD alarm bells about what is media admirable VS what is best for a child.

I think the video is creepy for the same reason it is justifiably comparable to the Honey Boo Boo retardese by training post infants to achieve adult athletic standards for financial salvation and fame.

In self defense to the attacks of inevitable morons who think having a 3 to 5 year old inducted into weight training is no problem, I think you have personal failure issues from your youth that you are trying to resolve by using your children as surrogates.
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Apr 12, 2013 - 12:34am PT
The next next John Gill?

moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Apr 12, 2013 - 12:35am PT
The next moosedrool?

Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Apr 12, 2013 - 12:48am PT
McHale's Navy, Jim Brennan: thanks.
the kid trains 3 hours a day, 5 days a week.

My gut says it's not a good idea to use up all that green stick bone and cartilage early
There's still an elephant in the room and back lever push ups at sub kindergarten age should ring some LOUD alarm bells about what is media admirable VS what is best for a child.

To my wife and I this just seemed really otherworldly how bricked this kid is.

The salient features of this thread to me are:

#1: The facts of his strength which are absolutely remarkable and likewise raise questions, which are purely physiological and therefore easier to investigate.
#2 : The presentation, which raises flags and our responses are more conjectural, or tend more to the cultural and psychological stuff.

Both arenas are a little bit off the charts.
Never mind my thread drift question concerning climbing gyms, sorry, that just muddies the waters.


[Edit]But I hear you blah blah, "standard climbing" can't be the same as what the kid in the OP does to get so bricked.
jstan

climber
Apr 12, 2013 - 01:08am PT
Any chance I could get an apology too? Keeping everything on the "down low" is not helping.

Wednesday morning the Joshua Tree Clean Team picked up 234 pounds of trash near the
Hospice in downtown JT, More than 20 people accomplished that in about an hour. That works
out to about 3.5 tons per year. Thanks to their efforts JT is very apparently the cleanest town in
that part of the high desert. As befits any town depending on a matchless National Park to
support the economy and the value of property.

Right up the road to the East the Morongo Basin group is also putting their shoulders into the
harness. Should I tell them to keep it on "the down low" too?

I have been over the facility that cannot be named again. There was not much new trash. The
facility has an excellent crew looking after it and they seem to be enjoying themselves. Todd
Gordon, I, and others are helping with firewood. Just like ST, the campfire helps make the area
work smoothly. Just seeing what our resident sculptor is doing there is inspiring.

I think I, too, have an apology coming. If not me, then surely Robert Fonda has earned an
attaboy.

I am serious.

Being dead is the only way I could be more serious.


Jim:
I beg to differ.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Apr 12, 2013 - 01:22am PT
An attaboy for Robert Fonda and yourself is very different to an apology Jstan !



nah000

Mountain climber
canuckistan
Apr 12, 2013 - 01:37am PT
referencing tarbuster's break down a few posts back:

while the build at such a young age raises serious and significant questions, it's hard for me, not having any expertise regarding childhood development nor knowledge of his day to day life, to absolutely rule out that he isn't the athletic equivalent of a five year old chess or linguistic prodigy. with very roughly about 70 million 5 year old males in the world there are bound to be some natural freaks who push our conception of what is spontaneously possible...

that said, the red flag is the delivery. as ghost and tami have directly and indirectly pointed out, giuliano is the masculine equivalent to a five year old female beauty contestant. [the kids name is giuliano stroe and thanks to his dad iulian and television appearances there are many videos of him on youtube] there is the awkward winking, the half smile, the robotic gaze, etc. given the presentation in both this and a couple other videos i watched it's impossible for me not to see a child who has become an emotional and/or financial commodity.

my aversion to the idea of children "working" maybe cultural, but it's also one i'm comfortable not questioning too deeply.
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Apr 12, 2013 - 01:37am PT
It wasn't my trash Jstan, why should I apologise?

But GOOD JOB fer sure!

:)
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Apr 12, 2013 - 01:39am PT
Maybe I'm wrong but I say the grades are more or less maxed out. Sure there will be a push of a letter grade or a plus or minus here and there but I reckon it's pretty much done. The human body can only do so much-- look at pro pitchers, a group of people highly motivated and highly paid to throw a ball fast. No one really questions the fact that it's pretty much impossible for a human to throw a baseball more than around a hundred miles an hour. Climbing must have similar limitations, regardless of age and weight.

In terms of pushing the difficulty envelope there will almost certainly never be another John Gill. Just consider for a minute what would be required. When Gill was doing problems in the mid to late 50's that would be rated 5.13 on today's YDS difficulty scale, the hardest established climbs in the country were 5.9. "The next John Gill" would need to start establishing 5.19 climbs today to be equally as far ahead of the game as Gill was. In every sport incremental gains in performance will continue to occur, as improvements are made in training methods, etc., but it's hard to envision another quantum leap like the one Gill made.

Curt
jstan

climber
Apr 12, 2013 - 02:03am PT
There is a fundamental error in saying "the next John Gill."

People don't replicate. But somehow we feel threatened when we admit there will be only one Gill. We should not be, of course. We have Honnolds, Bachars, and others.

Our tendency for the extreme vitiates our appreciation for the richness of diversity.
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Apr 12, 2013 - 02:05am PT
l"The main law regulating child labor in the United States is the Fair Labor Standards Act. In general, for non-agricultural jobs, children under 14 may not be employed, children between 14 and 16 may be employed in allowed occupations during limited hours, and children between 16 and 18 may be employed for unlimited hours in non-hazardous occupations.[1] A number of exceptions to these rules exist, such as for employment by parents, newspaper delivery, and child actors.[1] The regulations for agricultural employment are generally more lenient. Children as young as 14 may be employed unlimited hours outside of school hours with parental permission."

The loopholes in the law allow children exploitation. Very sad.

Parents, let the kids be just kids. Don't project your unfulfilled ambitions onto your children. Don't push them into overly competitive sports. Most likely they won't succeed, but they will get injured for sure!

When did we lose the meaning and spirit of sport? It supposed to improve your health, not ruin it (both, phisically and mentally).

Greed and ambition. Is that what drives our society?



survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Apr 12, 2013 - 02:30am PT
No more Gills please.

I can only take so much humbling in one lifetime.....


Long live John Gill.
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Apr 12, 2013 - 11:00am PT
nah000 said:
it's hard for me, not having any expertise regarding childhood development nor knowledge of his day to day life, to absolutely rule out that he isn't the athletic equivalent of a five year old chess or linguistic prodigy.with very roughly about 70 million 5 year old males in the world there are bound to be some natural freaks who push our conception of what is spontaneously possible...

Thank you nah000, for taking a crack at my earlier stream of questions:
Can anybody comment on his muscle development?
My wife was thinking he must be on steroids and that to me seems a little bit much.
Anybody know about child physiology?
Can any little kid get this bricked if they do the right stuff?

nah000, What you are saying is we can only conjecture, because it's completely likely just on numbers alone that he's easily explained as just an anomaly and we do have information about his training regimen to add to this. As to whether or not any little kid can get this bricked if they follow that regimen, maybe that's just academic, but it's still an open question. As to whether or not he's doing steroids, again we can only conjecture.

Is there anyone here, such as Tami perhaps, who can authoritatively comment on the child physiology aspect of the questions I pose above?

Regarding the next John Gill portion of our program: check out Moose Drool's video of the kid getting up to the top of the refrigerator, using only one arm, while dragging his plastic vehicle up with him using his free arm! Granted he gets a little push just prior to topping out, but it's still quite something!

Curt makes a good point about the huge gap between John Gill's performances taken against the standards of his day. Now, with climbing as mainstream as it is, it would seem difficult to fault Curt's perspective that we are not going to see that kind of a jump ever again.


And lastly: with everybody's responses about how freaky this kid's theatrical antics are, to include the tongue lick maneuver, perhaps we can see what got Cosgrove going in the first place, completely independent of anything Simon intended.

Oh and: +1 for Johnny Cash!
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Apr 12, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
Nice, but John Gill was unique.

JL
shady

Trad climber
hasbeen
Apr 12, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
+1 largo That moment in time has come and gone.
Long live the one and only John Gill.

Oops... that's right. Sorry to hear of your passing jogill. Do you still have to use a keyboard when you post from the afterlife?
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Apr 12, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
Can anybody comment on his muscle development?
My wife was thinking he must be on steroids and that to me seems a little bit much.
Anybody know about child physiology?
Can any little kid get this bricked if they do the right stuff?

Hi Roy - no steroids. The right genetics and a load of training.Also a diet that keeps him pretty slim.

I"m not an expert to be sure but I have seen kids like this. I presently coach a young boy ( 9 y/o ) who shows very pronounced muscular development despite only attending circus classes one day per week & doing a few other sports at a purely rec level. "D" loves to play and climb on the monkey bars and he simply has a predisposition towards being muscular. He is a gifted athlete to be sure but his parents are just letting him be a kid.

The thing that concerns me is that he does the little skanky thing. But how that plays out in terms of intention? I don't know. Remember his parents are Romanian - and that country's economy is not exactly fabulous - so the exploitation of Guiliano might be hard-needed cash for the family.


Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Apr 12, 2013 - 09:29pm PT
Tami!

Far out: someone with some direct experience finally picked up my phone call. I just read aloud what you said to Lisa, so thanks because we found this quite interesting.

She started competitive soccer in the fourth grade, which isn't so young, but then in junior high she often ran to school in a pair of Stan Smiths (an unpadded shoe for playing tennis) and the doctor told her she damaged the growth plates in her feet. Since that little adolescent athlete's hiccup, she's been a national champion amateur triathlete, professional bike racer, and world-class trail/mountain runner.

Since then, one of our jokes around the house is that she has not had more than two weeks off of training since fourth grade. She just said to me "when did I even have two weeks off Roy". So you see, what with her fantastic experience as a top-notch amateur athlete and my deplorable record with musculoskeletal issues, we are very interested in genetics, training, and recovery.

The lick maneuver: when I first saw it of course I recoiled, but I always refrain from quick judgment responses and I held my tongue, so to speak, in deference to the fact that he comes from a culture which I may not understand. How do I know what that tongue lick thing means for them? Perhaps it's his way of saying "training is like licking a popsicle".

All kinds of things just don't translate well from one culture to another. So I reserve judgment based on a certain implementation of tact which I choose to employ when I don't immediately understand things and people.

Has anybody ever messed with you and called you "Circus Lady" as a play on Saturday Night Live's much beloved "Church Lady"?

Best,
RoyBoy
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Apr 13, 2013 - 12:09am PT
Thanks Roy :-)

No to the "circus lady" comment. I'm not sure of the reference. We are Canadian up here after all :-D LOL.

Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Apr 13, 2013 - 12:37am PT
Most 5.13's have easier cruxes than the problems Gill was doing - most 5.14's, too. No routes (yet) primarily consist of moves that hard - that would be a quantum leap, but no one's going to make it anytime soon - it would be like doing 20-rep sets with the current world-record dead lift.

Yet it is possible! If there is one thing that i have learned while retraining my body to walk it's "anything is possible". If someone can do 1 rep of a world class dead lift, then with time, and training eventually they could accomplish two, and the maybe even three. Then their offspring could be genetically dispositioned to doing such lifts, and might be able to accomplish more.

I'm not saying it's going to happen anytime soon, but i certainly think we have not seen the end of what human beings are capable of.
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Apr 13, 2013 - 10:20am PT
Tami,

From this post by Harry Hot Dog I get that you run a circus camp? Thus: Circus Lady
I can't wait to get them both over to Tami's circus camp as that looks like alot of fun.
...

Now then, if you were actually to do a little YouTube search on Church Lady, I certainly wouldn't want you to understand my reference as a notion that your darling visage directly reflects that kooky character in any specific sense; only a play on the moniker. If you were to engage in such research and appreciate the actual character of Church Lady, and likewise misunderstand me so, I wouldn't blame you one bit for landing a package of exploding poop on my doorstep!

Hugs,
Roy

PS,
Saturday Night Live also did a hilarious sendup of Canooks from the great White North.
Sorry, keep in mind us Stoopid Americans still haven't a clue that the rest of the world doesn't get our television piped in to fixed screens in every building the world over!
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Apr 13, 2013 - 10:23am PT
Sorry, keep in mind us Stoopid Americans still haven't a clue that the rest of the world doesn't get our television piped in to fixed screens in every building the world over!

A frightful awful lot of it makes it over here in the form of the Internet.
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Apr 13, 2013 - 10:24am PT
BTW,

SIMON: thanks for posting up dude!
All weirdness aside, that little boy's routine is an amazing athletic vignette!!!
WTF

climber
Apr 13, 2013 - 11:07am PT
Roy.

Doesn't matter his age. You work a muscle out it will develop. Doesn't matter if your 5 or 55
It's a muscle and its designed to grow with exercise.

Use it or lose it I think is the phrase. This kids using it.
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Apr 13, 2013 - 11:10am PT
Roy, giggle, ha ha but for real I teach circus acrobatics after decades in gymnastics. We run summer camps so, yep, that's what the hotdog of harry is yammerin' about. I already teach 2 kids from people who post (albeit rarely ) on ST . They know not to blow my cover with the more straight-edged parents :-D

I'll check out the yootoob clip. I watched more Monty Python than SNL when I was a kid. And now I"m a big fan of Trailer Park Boys..........


WTF

climber
Apr 13, 2013 - 11:13am PT
Trailer park boys is some of the best stuff ever out of the great white north.

The episode where they pave the driveway with hash is brilliant.
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Apr 13, 2013 - 11:14am PT
^^^^^my fave too ^^^^^ WE have a cat named Ricky.
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 13, 2013 - 12:03pm PT
Tarbuster... You are very welcome. Never knew it was gonna start a shitestorm!
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Apr 13, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
This girl looks pretty darn strong, but she is getting a lot of help from mama. Pretty amazing. Gill should watch this just for the training perspective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P5akoQ_eNI
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Apr 13, 2013 - 02:36pm PT
As you well know Simon,
Life is like a box of chocolates: you just never know what flavor you're going to get!
And conversely, it's best to sculpt a sturdy little craft adept at rolling up over swells within the inevitable storm.

And if all else fails, I just resort to mockery and shitt talking leavened with a healthy dose of modesty.
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Apr 13, 2013 - 02:39pm PT
I've seen that one Mark and I think it's not only a really well-done piece on Brooke Raboutou but I applaud her self possession and adjustment to the whole thing.

Just imagine if she had better genetics! Heh.
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Apr 13, 2013 - 02:44pm PT
Elephant in the room alert!!!
Just imagine if we could get Robyn to comment here on the matter.
Not that I have any expectation of this happening, (like I'm so sure) but like Tami she's made her living, like, doing this kind of thing; working with kids and strength training.
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Apr 13, 2013 - 10:11pm PT
I'm always interested in the role genetics plays in this. Worked with a young girl, "E", today for the first time. E is 9 and self described "half black, half Indian, half white" which cracked me up.

She was a very powerful young girl. A very auditory/ kinesthetic learning style as well as a load o' fast twitch muscle. Her jumps on the tumble track were twice the height of her peers.

So what role does genetics play in all this ? :-)
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Apr 14, 2013 - 10:45am PT
Tami,
Double the height! WOW. How often do you see that?
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Apr 14, 2013 - 12:37pm PT
Rarely. As with academic giftedness, athletic giftedness is rare. And .......well.........how do you define it ? There are so many attributes to physical intelligence.

I would say there are specific markers that are sport-specific. For example, a child who would make a great acrobat has a load of fast-twitch muscle, is flexible, and has a strong core. They need to have excellent kinesthetic awareness (brain-aware on how to move) & proprioception (brain-aware on where the body parts are).

....more later . Gotta go....
eagle

Trad climber
new paltz, ny
Apr 24, 2013 - 05:10pm PT
lil fella is mighty impressive
phile

Trad climber
SF, CA
Apr 24, 2013 - 05:59pm PT
wow, *THIS* thread makes the SuperTopo Climbing News Forum Highlights list? It must get a lot better after the first page.
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