SuperTopo on the iPhone with rakkup: guidebooks reinvented


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Trad climber
CA Central Coast
Apr 4, 2013 - 10:33am PT
I can see the virus now, it'll be known as your Ap getting "hardman'd"

Ratings get sandbagged and it suggests routes you'll sure to epic on.

the GPS triggered voice that marks the base of the route changes from "monkeys are sending" to "yer gunna die!".

too much coffee this morning,
Chris McNamara

SuperTopo staff member
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 4, 2013 - 10:46am PT
Roxy, keep the ideas coming. I'll lobby for version 2.0 will be fully monkeyed!

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Apr 4, 2013 - 10:51am PT
It'll say "yet gonna die" when you wander off route!

Apr 4, 2013 - 12:47pm PT
I've had good experiences with rakkup in two situations:

1. At Red Rocks, an area I don't know that well, rakkup has been helpful in preventing me from getting lost, especially in the pre-dawn race to a route. There's nothing more annoying than blowing an alpine start by taking a wrong turn in the dark. Wanna be first on Crimson Chrysalis? Don't get lost.

2. At Smith, an area I do know well,rakkup has all kinds of paths and shortcuts I didn't know about. Not that I'm in a big rush at Smith, but the new paths took me through parts of the park that don't get much travel. It was like seeing an whole new park.

This app needs decent routes, however. Especially at Red Rocks, that sh#t matters -- see Epinephrine.


Apr 4, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
I remember when the ST guide first came out for Yosemite. At first, people complained because the information was so detailed and helpful that it took some of the adventure out. Well, that was true for sure--it did make routes less committing. Before ST, as a newbie, I had some scary and excellent adventures in the valley. (The Braille Book topo from the original guide book gave no clue what was coming, and it felt epic and amazing at the time -- 1993.)

I'll be curious to see if there is similar backlash here.

Also, is there a version where the directions are given by Darth Vader? I often get lost at the roundabound.

Mountain climber
Flagstaff, AZ
Apr 4, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
climbin apps are sweet.

How about linking the beta on this forum to the app as well? for updated route beta, trip reports,access issues...

awesome stuff!
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Apr 4, 2013 - 02:42pm PT
The Rakkup guys will make it right for you, don't worry about that. They are climbers just like you and me and are certainly not out to make a quick buck. Contact them, explain your problem and I'm sure you'll get taken care of in a way that makes you happy.
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Apr 4, 2013 - 02:45pm PT
Brilliant! If you're looking for ideas for version 2, I'd say, anything that makes it interactive. Users could leave comments, or add photos or gps coordinates. Link to trip reports, let people upload trip reports from pitch 25 on Iron Hawk. The iphone is super powerful, with a camera/video and gps built in. Its a personal tracking device, although that makes some people nervous about big brother it could also help someone rescue you. There's lots of weather aps. The possibilities are endless.
Chris McNamara

SuperTopo staff member
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 4, 2013 - 06:28pm PT
Great suggestions. Keep em coming. And many thanks to everyone who is helping us spread the word!

Trad climber
Apr 5, 2013 - 03:21am PT
The next big project:
1. Take a Google augment reality glasses.
2. Add there a software (an app).
3. Now they show me the way to the crag. Highlight trail. Warn about awkward and slippery spots on an approach, etc.
4. Highlight routes.
5. When I begin to climb they show me holds. Footholds. Give me advises like "High step to the right and drop the right knee... well, now you can reach that crip".
6. Highlight protection spots and give me advises like "Use the purple C4 here. Do not forget to extend this piece with at least 6" draw".
7. Warn me about rope length.
8. Manage my rack ("Do not use your last red C4 here, you'll need it to build an anchor, place the green after a couple of easy moves").
Todd Kutzke

Apr 5, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
Hey everyone, Big thanks for the feedback on this thread and for getting the word out. I'm super stoked that we are partnering with SuperTopo to bring the climbing community the most innovative high quality digital guides out there. This wouldn't have been possible without a great publishing partner like SuperTopo. Thank you Chris.

In response to Prod's question about whether we're looking to partner with other authors in the future, the answer is YES. Please check out authors-and-publishers to learn more.
Chris McNamara

SuperTopo staff member
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 5, 2013 - 06:28pm PT
Ok, We listened to your feedback on pricing and are going to change the price from 9.99 for one year to $19.99 to own the book forever (right now the code is set so that it will actually say 99 year license).

Anyone who bought the book for already $9.99 gets to own it forever as well (A way of saying thank you for being an early adopter).

AND, if you buy the book before Sunday at midnight, all the proceeds go to the Access Fund.

Trad climber
Apr 5, 2013 - 09:26pm PT
For life, Chris , are you sure? Who can forsee the future. I would wager folks would be happy with 5 or 10 year license. Make some money!

Trad climber
Where the Hoback and the mighty Snake River meet
Apr 20, 2013 - 02:06pm PT
Techie question bump.

Will there be a windows os version?

I'm shopping for phones and not really crazy about apple.

The gal who helped me at AT&T is a young climber, I told her about this app and she was pretty excited. She is the one who told me to ask if a windows os version is in the works.


Big Wall climber
Apr 20, 2013 - 02:44pm PT
good for u cmac. i hate to carry all those damn books around.

Trad climber
Tampa, FL
Apr 20, 2013 - 06:57pm PT
What a nice app - quite a few years ago I started to make a "climbing diary" app that, "in my mind", had about 50% of the features of this. It never really got off the ground due to lack of skill, lack of energy and lack of time.

This is great - have you thought of making a paid version of this that would operate as a climbers diary - i.e. the user would build their own database?
Josh Nash

Social climber
riverbank ca
Apr 26, 2013 - 06:32pm PT
I really hope that app will eventually include yosemite. Right now I have a PDF reader on my phone and have the books downloaded. So I use my phone as an e reader. I then also reference the Tom Harrison map app as well as the mountain project app for pic references of routes. Yeah I know it's not adventurous but I really don't climb all too often and hate wasting time wandering around looking for the crag.

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Jul 25, 2013 - 04:20pm PT
If you're headed to Rifle this summer, we've got you covered! The new Rifle Mountain Park guidebook from Wolverine Publishing is available in rakkup, or you can get both the print and digital versions at a reduced price. See for details.
More books are in the pipeline, too. Anywhere you guys particularly want to see?

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Aug 22, 2014 - 05:02pm PT
Since there was a lot of interest in this thread in an Android version of rakkup, I just wanted to say that we've released it today in the Google Play Store. It took longer than we'd hoped but we're proud of the result. We hope you like it.
We have lots of other exciting stuff in the hopper for the rest of the year, too. I'll drop a brief note here when we have specifics to share, but there's more information on the rakkup website and you're always welcome to contact me directly.
Thanks to the community and happy climbing!

Trad climber
Aug 22, 2014 - 05:21pm PT
Will I earn TacoPoints(TM) for my successful sends?
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