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Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Mar 22, 2013 - 08:25pm PT
Break up the Park Service. They've lost touch with reality

PRIVATIZE!

The best campgrounds I've ever stayed in were those run on contract by private concession. They have to do a good job to make money and they can get fired for doing a bad job.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Mar 22, 2013 - 08:27pm PT
You're spot on John. Reducing # of campsites and then saying that the # of campers is down is a cynical and devious use of flawed statistics. I don't recall anyone citing how easy it was to find a campsite in peak season.
$128 minimum for a sleazy tent cabin in Curry Village is beyond the pale. Pure capitalisim at work....they are getting what they can. The Awahnee is always booked up. This is a National Park for ALL of the people and consideration should be given to those with fewer means.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Mar 22, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
I really don't give a crap about any of this except elcap meadow. They best not close that thing off.

I camp in the valley anytime I want without reservations. I prefer the car camping in pines and i'm glad to pay for it.. but in a pinch I'll throw my food in the boxes at the Y and put my sleeping bag down in the woods a bit behind them. I know the door codes for the good showers and I'm good to go.

If its gonna rain at night i know where/how to deal with that too.

I love rafting the merced I have my own $30 walmart raft I bring every trip. Its about the most casual relaxing beatiful way to spend a few hours sippin some brewski's on a rest day.

Seems to me the plan should be .. make the place as accessible as possible to all the people who are footing the bill for it.. or shut the whole damn thing down and make everyone hike in.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Mar 22, 2013 - 08:39pm PT
consideration should be given to those with fewer means.

Absolutely. Us poor folk like to visit beautiful places too.

It'll never happen, but I'd love to see Yosemite return to a more primitive park.

Not primitive in a Neanderthal sense, but in a wilderness sense.

Park at the entrance and bus into the valley. Banish the concessions and raze all but the most vital structures.

Like I said, it'll never happen, but it would be great.
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Mar 23, 2013 - 12:23am PT
Pure capitalisim at work

Oh, yeah... I'm sure there are dozens of DNC executives driving around Buffalo in the Limo's laughing at all the suckers in Curry Village. I'm sure if they charged $25 a night for a tent cabin the service would be just as good.

If you follow along this line of thinking then all the staff should get a really nice paycheck at the same time. We'll get some Greek politicians in there to write the new business plan.


Yosemite return to a more primitive park.

15 north of the Valley, about 10 miles down the Tuolumne River from Lembert Dome, there is a side canyon where no one goes. It's surrounded by high walls that no one climbs. There's a spring and a meadow to camp in all you want for FREE. Totally primitive. You could sit around in a loin cloth and roast meat over a fire. (though I prefer Vienna Sausages) There is a nice cave to live in while it rains too.

Heading down the Tuolumne River. Plenty of walls to climb down there.
Heading down the Tuolumne River. Plenty of walls to climb down there.
Credit: Spider Savage
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Mar 23, 2013 - 12:43am PT
Capitalisim is likely the best system we have......as long as it is constrained by sound regulatory institutions.
Also, is it unreasonable to entertain the notion of a saftey net for the millions who thru bad luck or health or, yes, a lack of the talents or the opportunity needed to compete in today's world fall below the poverty line in an insanely rich country. I suppose some think that another 10,000 sq. ft. home in Aspen or another private jet is more important than the well being of other humans.
When is enough, enough.....for many Americans the answer is- never.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Mar 23, 2013 - 06:57am PT
if somebody mails me some C5 i'll pop hetch hetchy, say i won't,

Mather and Muir would be proud, Teddy too,
Rhodo-Router

Gym climber
sawatch choss
Apr 11, 2013 - 11:13am PT
If you've got time to write here, you've got time to write HERE:

http://www.accessfund.org/c.tmL5KhNWLrH/b.5208267/k.8C84/Action_Center/siteapps/advocacy/ActionItem.aspx?c=tmL5KhNWLrH&b=5208267&aid=519623


Put your money where your fat mouths are, bloviators of the Taco.
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 11, 2013 - 11:35am PT
Done
David D.

Trad climber
Monterey
Apr 11, 2013 - 12:53pm PT
PRIVATIZE!

The best campgrounds I've ever stayed in were those run on contract by private concession. They have to do a good job to make money and they can get fired for doing a bad job.
Really? The few times I've stayed at private campgrounds they were overpriced and poorly managed. I'd stay at Valley/Tuolumne Sites or Forest Service sites any day of the week over private campgrounds.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Apr 11, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
Our comments to the current draft of the river plan are due on or before April 18, for those who, like me, feel better having participated in the process, even if we end up with something different from what I want.

As an aside, I think the proper characterization of DNC is monopoly, rather than capitalism. DNC's pricing, service, and overall operation of YNP concessions makes me appreciate the infamous YP&CC. At least when I was little, you could still see Mrs. Curry at the Camp Curry store, and the Degnan's operation was still owned by that family.

Although I have no direct evidence of this, my personal conspiracy theory is that DNC is behind the reduction of camping space, picnic grounds, day-use parking, and anything else that enables one to enjoy the Park without paying the concessionaire. Without DNC's monopoly on concession operations in the Park, together with its political clout, I rather suspect we'd see a different plan. I intend to tell the Park Service my preferences in this regard. While I know the NPS cannot do anything more than read and consider the views of the public, it gives me some self-righteous satisfaction knowing that I at least let them know what I think before they make their final decision.

John
Rhodo-Router

Gym climber
sawatch choss
Apr 11, 2013 - 03:18pm PT
Eating a meal at the Ahwahnee once reminded me of what people said about visiting the Soviet Union- huge, formerly grand edifice, suffering from neglect; overpriced, bland food; indifferent service...all the hallmarks of a complete lack of competition. Don't like it? You can drive an hour to Mariposa.

Monopoly concessions aren't capitalism...they're cronyism.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Apr 11, 2013 - 03:18pm PT
My neighbors are arguing like crazy, but you folks are plenty civilized and rational, for climbers.

Aren't we supposed to be smoking weed and acting all dissolute instead of trying to protect the Valley?

Who, exactly, is profiling whom?

The concessionaire has done their profiling homework. They want folks with money to leave it with them. What label we give these greedy MFs is moot, really. They don't live or climb in Yosemite, just suck it's extra blood. Don't kill our golden goose, they say.

The DNC (Doesn't Need Competition) likes folks staying with THEM, not using the outdoor camping/picnicking sites.

The wonderful guys who own stock in DNC WANT the Plan(s) to fail--this means they can keep gouging as many visitors as possible for that much longer.

Sign that letter, please.^^^^^

As for the Ahwahnee, my buddy George and his wife went there for lunch and he looked at the wine list. A bottle there sold for four times the shelf price. He had water instead and prayed really hard. No wine, but he still had his money.

Psilocyborg

climber
Apr 11, 2013 - 03:39pm PT
I would like to see many more "walk in" or "bike in" only campgrounds
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