Canada, you suck! Signed - the polar bears...

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'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Mar 9, 2013 - 11:13am PT
Canada?

You think this has anything to do with Canada? It has NOTHING to do with Canada.

Our country has no control over the Indians with respect to them killing game and fish. Indians hunt and fish out of season anywhere they want. We can't stop them from killing polar bears if they want to! They can shoot them from their snow machines.

In Canada, there are two rules for hunting and fishing - Indian Rules and White Man Rules. [In this instance, White Man = anyone who does not have an Indian card]

White Men are obligated to hunt and fish according to seasons, limits, and by fair means. We must angle for our fish, enticing them to bite a bait or an artificial lure. We can't fish out of season, when the fish are reproducing, in order for them to get a chance to make baby fishies that will ultimately grow into big fishies.

The Indians don't care about that!

In Algonquin Park, where I have to paddle and portage for days because I'm white, the Indians go in via the logging roads and net the trout out of the lake. These are lakes on the Canadian Shield that are so unenriched by lack of nutrients that one acre of surface area can only produce about a pound of trout per year. A few Indians with nets can destroy the fishery in the lake in a single harvest!

The Bay of Quinte in Lake Ontario used to be the #1 walleye fishery in the world, until the Indians started having their way. [walleye = pickerel in Canada] So these guys would grab their spears, and walk into downtown Belleville in the river and spear the fish in eighteen inches of water right on the spawning beds! This is of course, several weeks before the season opens. The rest of us would have to wait until the season opened.

In 1990, I remember standing on the bridge at Deseronto on opening day, and the fishing was so great, that you could see five hundred boats in either direction! Everyone was catching fish, it was amazing and fantastic. Now you go there in the spring, and you hardly see any boats, and those that you do see, only a few of them have any fish. The Indians took all the fish for themselves, and now the fishery is very depleted.

Don't blame Canada for the behaviour of its Indians.
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Mar 9, 2013 - 11:39am PT
Spent time in Lillooet growing up. The Indians are allowed to hunt/fish however they want, whenever they want. BUT, it is supposed to be for personal use only.

Many Indians I knew had 2-3 freezers full of frozen salmon they had dip-netted and were selling to guys who then sold to restaurants in Vancouver.


I can't stop their behavior, but I did all I could do to remove the demand and am vegetarian.




Oh yeah, and then the one Indian didn't pay his electricity bill and he lost a freezer full of fish.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Mar 9, 2013 - 11:41am PT
^^^^^^^
Thanks Pete for reminding us that it's always open season on first nations people in Canada.

Now if we could all work together to do something about decreasing the population of Canadian Spotted Boneheads, that would be something.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 9, 2013 - 11:45am PT
I've heard stories about dip-netters getting pulled in by their catch and never to be seen again ...
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 9, 2013 - 11:48am PT
Have a freind that worked on the Quinault Res in Wa.. He told me of MOUNTAINS of salmon the tribe nets--that they wasted every year and didnt get sold as it rots in huge piles.
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Mar 9, 2013 - 11:53am PT
Handouts never create a responsible productive society. I've seen this in Haiti lately, 90% of the kids in orphanages have living parents. But since so much money has been donated to sponsor kids in orphanages, the industry has boomed. Now parents can leave their kids in an orphanage and move to the US or Toronto, or even just live better at home. I met one, he was a real jerk. Won't even go across town to visit his 3 sons in the orphanage.



People need to work for what they get. Aid should go for emergencies, 3 months, no more. Giving money away to Indians each month and allowing them to rape/poach the land has created more problems than treating them like adults. Toxic Charity is a great book that boldly addresses these issues.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Mar 9, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
Gill netting and trawling have done more in less time to rake the ocean of salmon than any other method.

The majority of the commercial Canadian Pacific fishing licenses are held by the Jim Pattison Group.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Mar 9, 2013 - 12:16pm PT
I don't see much difference between dip netting fish and taking a month to aid climb El Cap; except that First Nations have a treaty right to do the former.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 9, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
Waste is no ones right.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Mar 9, 2013 - 01:33pm PT
Nature has a way of biting people in the ass when they fuk with her.

Over fish and end up starving. Kill all the bears and something bad will come out of the disruption in nature's balance.

And if somebody who is part indian admits to seeing poor resource management then it is not bigotry.

But, in truth, we are all killing the bears with global warming, but hey, scapegoats make us feel better about ourselves so, by all means, yeah lets blame the natives.
But I was under the impression that somewhere along the way indians and Innuit considered themselves different people.
cuvvy

Sport climber
arkansas
Mar 9, 2013 - 01:53pm PT
25000 isnt like the end of a species. We cant dictate what the whole world does. Seems like it greatly benefits the native populations.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 9, 2013 - 01:58pm PT
cuvvy, 25,000 could very well be the end of the white bears. That isn't a
very big number for such a huge range. Plus, since they can't swim between
places like they used to it may well mean they will be concentrated into
fewer population groups which can easily translate into starvation* and the
negative effects of in-breeding. Every population has a negative tipping
point and the bears could easily be close to theirs. It is time to think
outside the box and that will require a concerted effort by all parties.

*which they already are suffering
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Mar 9, 2013 - 02:03pm PT
Handouts never create a responsible productive society.

1+

Now let's get back to the subject of invading Cnd and enslaving the masses of the Great White North.

Did you notice that I spelled Cnd correctly? It's commonly misspelled, but the correct spelling is only 3 consonants.

C, eh? N, eh? D, eh?
Dave

Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
Mar 9, 2013 - 02:19pm PT
There are two things wrong with Canada.

Its full of First Nations people too lazy to do anything.

Its full of Canadians.



South Park had it right...
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 9, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
A polar bear will range in the thousands of miles every year.. The area of thier habitat is not that large, 25,000 seems like a healthy number really.
cuvvy

Sport climber
arkansas
Mar 9, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
Im not going to say what a good southern bible thumper would say, because Im not a good southern bible thumper. Its so tiring hearing what people should and should not do. So many controls as it is, cant do this. Dont do that.
I do not wish for a polar bear free world, but very tired of control.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Mar 9, 2013 - 04:14pm PT
Ron, a thousand square miles is less than 32 miles square.


25,000 is a sparse population, and now many are drowning before finding ice flows to rest on.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Mar 9, 2013 - 04:41pm PT
We don't want them go extinct ;)

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